Microsoft published 6 big games this year. None were nominated for GOTY.

It's the game awards. Who cares, they like some of them crazy reviews site. But it also not like ms make type of games that are refreshing and exciting. But that's not calling them bad games. There good/great games.
 
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SlimySnake said:
What can Microsoft do at this point to garner that GOTY buzz they have been missing for well over a decade now.

The following games from MS studios including ones they inherited from the Activision and Zenimax deals were eligible.

- Indiana Jones
- Avowed
- South of Midnight
- Doom: Dark Ages
- Outer Worlds 2
- Call of Duty Black Ops 7

They had a fairly good year in terms of quantity. Most of these were good to great games. Just not GOTY worthy according to the VGA critics who are mostly made up of critics around the world. Are the studios they have acquired just not capable of making GOTY caliber games? Doom Eternal was nominated in 2020 iirc so they have at least one studio thats capable. And Phil did give them five years. They just failed. He also gave machine games 6 years to make Indy and they still couldnt beat a couple of indie games for a GOTY nomination.

COD Studios are basically never going to see a GOTY nomination which leaves Playground Games and Coalition Games. is there any hope for MS in the near future or do they need to retool? It's not like these games are lighting up the charts either so if they arent winning awards and arent selling well, how can MS afford to keep these studios around?
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Make more journo-bait games, like Sony's walk em ups. Anyone actually looking at GOTY awards are retards. The players choice is where the real GOTY's are. Nah, but most of their games are pretty bad. Gears is dead, Halo is dead, Motosport is dead (perfec time for a project gotham racing revival..). They ironically knock it out of the park with live service titles though.
 
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- Indiana Jones GREAT GAME
- Avowed HAVEN'T FINISHED YET
- South of Midnight GREAT GAME
- Doom: Dark Ages HAVEN'T PLAYED
- Outer Worlds 2 HAVEN'T PLAYED
- Call of Duty Black Ops 7 TRASH GAME BESIDES TDM

Keeper is better than all those.
 
Reizo Ryuu said:
I know it's hard to not start your warrior shtick at every opportunity you get, but stay on topic.
The topic is about being nominated for GOTY, my comment was about being nominated for GOTY and I'm not discussing anything else because I'm staying on topic.
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The only hard part is getting Xbox fanboys to direct their frustration at the people who are actually responsible.

It won a TGA, it won a BAFTA, at the Game developer choice awards and it got several nominations at DICE awards. Yet you are salty that the game didn't win GOTY at the TGA....(they show that doesn't matter)

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Blame everyone else except MS and Xbox executives
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Well Doom is not a GOTY caliber game in today's market. I liked it and wouldn't put it anywhere close to GOTY.

Outer Worlds 2, Avowed, Lighthouse Game, and South of Midnight have no business being on any lists. Oblivion remaster also doesn't qualify.

Geoff's GOTY show is a tough nut to crack for Microsoft. When Microsoft has a legitimate contender like Forza Horizon 5 it releases too late in the year to qualify. Will likely happen to Forza Horizon 6 next year.

Looking at the big picture, Fable will probably be in the running for best graphics next year. Actual GOTY though? I dunno know about that one mang. Game looks kinda lame tbh. IDK.

Halo remaster. Nope.

Gears. No chance.

Most of their big games aren't part of the zeitgeist anymore.

Half-Life 3 will win GOTY next year. Lock it in.
 
Kacho said:
Well Doom is not a GOTY caliber game in today's market. I liked it and wouldn't put it anywhere close to GOTY.

Outer Worlds 2, Avowed, Lighthouse Game, and South of Midnight have no business being on any lists. Oblivion remaster also doesn't qualify.

Geoff's GOTY show is a tough nut to crack for Microsoft. When Microsoft has a legitimate contender like Forza Horizon 5 it releases too late in the year to qualify. Will likely happen to Forza Horizon 6 next year.

Looking at the big picture, Fable will probably be in the running for best graphics next year. Actual GOTY though? I dunno know about that one mang. Game looks kinda lame tbh. IDK.

Halo remaster. Nope.

Gears. No chance.

Most of their big games aren't part of the zeitgeist anymore.

Half-Life 3 will win GOTY next year. Lock it in.
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Feels like there's zero hype for Fable at all. It was MIA at the Xbox showcase earlier this year. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it got delayed or canceled.
 
Microsoft has literally never been nominated for GOTY at The Game Awards. Which is WILD for the amount of money they spend.

Sony gets nominated essentially every year, and has won in 2018, 2020, and 2025.

Make of this what you will.
 
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Feels like there's zero hype for Fable at all. It was MIA at the Xbox showcase earlier this year. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it got delayed or canceled.
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Looks really lame and Netflix-y IMO. Maybe they blow us away in a future showcase but I seriously doubt. Game looks destined for midness. Cool graphx tho.
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
The only hard part is getting Xbox fanboys to direct their frustration at the people who are actually responsible.

It won a TGA, it won a BAFTA, at the Game developer choice awards and it got several nominations at DICE awards. Yet you are salty that the game didn't win GOTY at the TGA....(they show that doesn't matter)

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Blame everyone else except MS and Xbox executives
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Stop being weaponized brandtards.

Just be normal brandtards, FFS.
 
ByWatterson said:
Microsoft has literally never been nominated for GOTY at The Game Awards. Which is WILD for the amount of money they spend.

Sony gets nominated essentially every year, and has won in 2018, 2020, and 2025.

Make of this what you will.
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I've enjoyed quite a few games from their studios this generation, but none of them really stands out to me as some fantastic game that stood out above all others. Most of their games fall in the the good to great range, but just not amazing. That's just how I see their games, but I think that is far off for most people. I don't know that obviously, but just the general feel I get about a game like Clair Obscur or even an Astro Bot hasn't been there for Xbox games.
 
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I've enjoyed quite a few games from their studios this generation, but none of them really stands out to me as some fantastic game that stood out above all others. Most of their games fall in the the good to great range, but just not amazing. That's just how I see their games, but I think that is far off for most people. I don't know that obviously, but just the general feel I get about a game like Clair Obscur or even an Astro Bot hasn't been there for Xbox games.
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Same. I respect their output, but it's a lot of 9/10 execution on 7/10 ideas.

It's weird. Anodyne.
 
SlimySnake said:
- Indiana Jones
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Released in December 2024, nobody could remember it.

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- Avowed
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Lol

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- South of Midnight
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Seemed like an average action game with an artstyle that you either love or hate.

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- Doom: Dark Ages
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Simon Says: The Lame Ages

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- Outer Worlds 2
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Lmao even

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- Call of Duty Black Ops 7
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Rest in peace Raven Software.
 
SlimySnake said:
What can Microsoft do at this point to garner that GOTY buzz they have been missing for well over a decade now.


- Call of Duty Black Ops 7
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Has COD ever been nominated for GOTY? Why would it be now that it's under MS and worse than previous games?

Same goes for some of the other games listed. South of Midnight doesn't become a special game just because MS made it. There were much better games than it that deserve the nomination.
 
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Has COD ever been nominated for GOTY? Why would it be now that it's under MS and worse than previous games?

Same goes for some of the other games listed. South of Midnight doesn't become a special game just because MS made it. There were much better games than it that deserve the nomination.
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COD Studios are basically never going to see a GOTY nomination
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so you agree they were never going to get nominated with that to begin with. If CoD was ever going to win it it would have been with previous Modern Warfares. I think as you said playground games might have a chance with Fable if they don't mess that up too.
 
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ProtoByte said:
You already know what's happening here SlimySnake SlimySnake .
Microsoft was never a hub for pioneers of game design, or even creatively driven in the way that genre/gen/year defining games require. Their MO for almost 10 years now has been "access". Ie multiplatformism and subscription bait.

With the economics, personnel and pipeline realities forced by this strategy, there is just little to no hope that they churn out a worthy game in a meager year like this one, let alone when things are actually competitive.
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I wouldnt say never. But I see your point. Back in the 2000s, Halo, Gears and third party published games like Mass Effect and Bioshock were synonymous with Xbox.

They went downhill almost immediately after kinect. At least when it comes to GOTY awards and nominations.

They've even acquired studios that previously got nominations before like Bethesda, ID Software, and Obsidian. All three failed to get nominations on their first games after being acquired. Something is really off at MS studios under the MS leadership.

I ruffled some feathers the other week when I called Avowed and Outer Worlds 2 B games that will never win GOTY. But I wasnt being mean, just pointing out the kind of games that win or are nominated for GOTYs and these games just dont have it. Simply being good enough isnt good enough. I thought Doom was especially disappointing, expected way better from ID.
 
SlimySnake said:
I ruffled some feathers the other week when I called Avowed and Outer Worlds 2 B games that will never win GOTY. But I wasnt being mean, just pointing out the kind of games that win or are nominated for GOTYs and these games just dont have it. Simply being good enough isnt good enough. I thought Doom was especially disappointing, expected way better from ID.
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Who in their right mind could even argue against this very sentence and do so with a straight face?
 
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so you agree they were never going to get nominated with that to begin with.
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Yes, I dont think any of those games are deserving of GOTY nominations. MS was able to get these games out this year, and just like last year and the year before, they cant seem to get the quality of these numerous titles up to par with other GOTY contenders. Just a bunch of mid tier Gamepass slop. Although, i do concede that they do review well. Not for me though.
 
- Indiana Jones
- Avowed
- South of Midnight
- Doom: Dark Ages
- Outer Worlds 2
- Call of Duty Black Ops 7
'Good to Great'…Lmao please, Avowed,South of Midnight,COD7 are dogshit. OW2 is average. Doom was good but nothing special. Indiana Jones was the best of the bunch and even that is letdown by tedious gameplay.
Like fr if this is the best they can do after blowing so much money to buy 'success and dominance' then they're never going to get a nomination.
 
Gojiira said:
- Indiana Jones
- Avowed
- South of Midnight
- Doom: Dark Ages
- Outer Worlds 2
- Call of Duty Black Ops 7
'Good to Great'…Lmao please, Avowed,South of Midnight,COD7 are dogshit. OW2 is average. Doom was good but nothing special. Indiana Jones was the best of the bunch and even that is letdown by tedious gameplay.
Like fr if this is the best they can do after blowing so much money to buy 'success and dominance' then they're never going to get a nomination.
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Look at the Metacritics of all those titles. Aside from cod which is trash, the lowest is South of Midnight at 77. The same reviewers (at least the cream of the crop) make up Geoff's awards.

I personally think they are all mid tier garbage. I was just pointing out that despite the reception, they arent making the GOTY nominations.

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Bro did you play any of these games?
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Yes. Most of them. Outer worlds i might try next month, but I refuse to play COD though. I dont think any are deserving. I dont think people really understood my OP. I am not making the case that these games shouldve nominated. I am simply pointing out that the games MS did publish are not good enough to be nominated and there is not much else on the horizon that might change this.
 
Of those, I've finished Avowed, Outer Worlds 2, Indy (came out 2024, though) and Doom. Doom and Indy were the best games, with Indy carried by story and writing and absolutely nailing the original trilogy vibe.

None of these deserve to be GOTY, though. That said, I don't think Donkey Kong and Death Stranding are worth a nominee either, but they're there in the leaked list.
 
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The only way they can win a goty is to buy a studio. It's impossible for them to create something at a higher quality than the rest of the industry.
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It won't work. No studio in their creative prime is big enough for them to care about and by the time they are big enough they are old and tired and no longer pumping out great games but rather copying what worked before.

You get brain drain after an acquisition. People leave like E33 devs left Ubisoft. People leave to make THEIR games they join a big conglomerate to make a paycheck. You will never get artisanal work from an assembly line. This is why Nintendo refers to its devs as having lifestyles for the company and matching personas. That is why you have to be a Nintendo aligned company to work with Nintendo. Rote assembly lines do not lead to art. People and relationships and trust does. Then you have Sony's method which is a tad more questionable and traditional imho, but they treat their best studios quite well and everyone is happy. Morale is not down. When you are working for MS in this industry you don't have the benefit of supportive family like company or good treatment. MS is now out for the max profit and for some reason they do not seem to treat devs as talent but rather they treat them as fungible. Of the big 4(including Valve) only Microsoft treats their developers like they are fungible and that is imho a big reason for the goty chart gap.

There are also life cycles for products. Things end.

Many of you, as humans, have the inability to see long things. Instead of looking at the top game and thinking it an unmovable monolith, rather, assume that in 10 years nothing will make sense to the you of today including the top game, and all things will change. Acquisitions speed up that change but also Kotick knew CoD was at the beginning of its long decline. You can tell by the peak easier then the decline if you know what to look for. Especially if you owned fucking WoW you know how game cycles work, so M$ just got raw shafted on every gaming deal they a have ever made, that's what I think. I think we've reached the high water mark for CoD and it will never be more successful than it has been so far. I think GTAVI will be the high water mark for the GTA series. I think Fortnite is peaking right now or has peaked in the last year.
 
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Who in their right mind could even argue against this very sentence and do so with a straight face?
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Honestly, i just went back through my posts and dont see it. Maybe i just made it up in my head. I thought it would be in that Warhorse thread but dont see anything there. best i could find was people taking issue with me saying Indiana Jones was mid and underserving of GOTY, and some posts about obsidian's art direction. or lack thereof.

I do dream about neogaf at times so maybe i just dreamed that whole controversy up lol.
 
Zacfoldor said:
It won't work. No studio in their creative prime is big enough for them to care about and by the time they are big enough they are old and tired and no longer pumping out great games but rather copying what worked before.

You get brain drain after an acquisition. People leave like E33 devs left Ubisoft. People leave to make THEIR games they join a big conglomerate to make a paycheck. You will never get artisanal work from an assembly line. This is why Nintendo refers to its devs as having lifestyles for the company and matching personas. That is why you have to be a Nintendo aligned company to work with Nintendo. Rote assembly lines do not lead to art. People and relationships and trust does. Then you have Sony's method which is a tad more questionable and traditional imho, but they treat their best studios quite well and everyone is happy. Morale is not down. When you are working for MS in this industry you don't have the benefit of supportive family like company or good treatment. MS is now out for the max profit and for some reason they do not seem to treat devs as talent but rather they treat them as fungible. Of the big 4(including steam) only Microsoft treats their developers like they are fungible and that is imho a big reason for the goty chart gap.

There are also life cycles for products. Things end.

Many of you, as humans, have the inability to see long things. Instead of looking at the top game and thinking it an unmovable monolith, rather, assume that in 10 years nothing will make sense to the you of today including the top game, and all things will change. Acquisitions speed up that change but also Kotick knew CoD was at the end of this long lifecycle. You can tell by the peak easier then the decline if you know what to look for. Especially if you owned fucking WoW you know how game cycles work, so M$ just got raw shafted on every gaming deal they a have ever made, that's what I think.
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Everyone who has ever made a game for Naughty Dog was forced out by Neil Druckman, yet ND keeps getting nominated.

I do think that big corporations like Ubisoft, EA and Activision just make mid tier slop that will never get nominated. Similar to how Marvel and Netflix trash never gets nominated at the Oscars. So i do agree with you on that.

But top tier studios like ND, Rockstar, Square Enix, Capcom, and other Sony studios keep getting their games nominated at the very least, and they are all part of a large conglomerate.

I think it's something else. like you said, MS treats its devs like disposables, and who knows maybe thats why they dont have that talent Sony, Nintendo, Rockstar, CD project and other big studios have despite being part of a big corporation.

I think it's the leadership. These guys just dont realize what makes a good game.
 
SlimySnake said:
Honestly, i just went back through my posts and dont see it. Maybe i just made it up in my head. I thought it would be in that Warhorse thread but dont see anything there. best i could find was people taking issue with me saying Indiana Jones was mid and underserving of GOTY, and some posts about obsidian's art direction. or lack thereof.

I do dream about neogaf at times so maybe i just dreamed that whole controversy up lol.
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Not even adamsapple adamsapple would go that far
 
Hear me out.

I really think Xbox had a few GOTY-moment in their portfolio. But they are simply rushing games out of the gate. Indiana would've been brilliant with additional year of polishing and changeble perspective, for example.

Just look at Nin or Sony. Yeh, they are not saints, but they never rush their games. Like 'em or hate 'em both DS2 or GoY were released in a pristine conceptual/technical state. Same goes for Bananza. Indiana recieved visually defining features like proper RT post-launch, optimizations took months and the latter third of the game simply felt underdeveloped in general. Avowed can't even offer basic stuff like moving NPCs or crime system. OW2 (and I love it so far) is very uneven in it's visuals. MSFS 2024 is still a barely working dumpster fire, same could be said about FM7 (and it's a crime because finally Turn10 found a good simcade balance in it's physics). The only pristibe game I can think of is now in the hands of Krafton and MS and only MS is to blame for that inane move.

Like every MS-made game has some sort of 'yes, but'. And that's stopping it from GOTY territory altogether.
 


Microsoft has 10 nominations, at least. Again, I don't care about The Game Awards much besides its game reveals/announcements. TGAs, for me, is merely a commercial celebration for popular games of the year. If a game wins a GOTY, then good for them.

DICE or BAFTA are among the prestigious award shows, if you're really interested.

For me, we should cherish all good games coming out this year despite being awarded or not.
 
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