cireza
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This, I was talking about it.
Digital Foundry: Silent Hill 2 Xbox Review - Big Cutbacks on Series S, Series X is Fine
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You repeat again again and again the same stupid script. So you say AMD haven't learned anything with FSR1 and FSR2? They have the same tech experience of Sony in the matter?
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Bojji
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I'm not wrong.
No you are irrational and childish. You refuse to use the logic. Furthermore FSR4 was realised in collaboration with Sony. I mean..
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yep should have just did what PlayStation didn't cut out the disc drive
Bojji
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Me? You can't handle that Sony fucked up something that other companies did very well, years ago. And FSR4 (temporal reconstruction using Ai/ML) is different than FSR2/3 (just temporal reconstruction), this is logic.
Seems more Sony has fucked up more your mind but I personally ignore the reason. You just console warring as always and it's useless speak with you.
And it's incredibly how you reduce everything in a stupid race with companies which also work in an open enviroment vs a closed system a lot more "inflexible" to handle for obvious reasons.
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GoldenEye98
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If Series S is a mistake then Switch 2 should not have any 3rd party AAA development...
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Bojji
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Watch what I linked.
I really don't understand what it has to do to what I'm talking about.
I mean...
Bojji
Member
Ah so you warring
The real horror is the DF supposed "tech experts"
barely care to going in deep in the issue and clarify what's the possible cause. They can only say "ouch disgusting". No shit Sherlock But if that means to be tech expert and going deeply in the argument I'm the new John Carmak
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Folks talking smack on the Series S version, this is rumored to be coming to Switch 2 as well.
Hold yer horses.
Hold yer horses.
Tobimacoss
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Oh yea, the S Console has most definitely trained devs on how to optimize for lower power machines. Even within the Xbox GDK ecosystem, it helps. I just meant that Series S won't affect the handheld SKUs directly as there's no handheld specific ports. It's why MS opted to use windows Xbox PC versions, they simply scale better.
And the handhelds will all have 24-32 gb LPDDR5X ram so should be no issue there. Series S training will help Switch 2 and PS6 handheld optimizations too.
PS6 Handheld Canis is dockable, and Sony could be doing a TV variant of the Canis chip. Will that be underpowered too?
Bojji
Member
Ah so you warring
The real horror is the DF supposed "tech experts"
They explained very well that the issues are (in SHf, SH2, DD2 and others), watch the video and pay attention.
Yeahhh... I expect Cronos level of difference, Lumen and Nanite turned off.
They never specified a single time such issue are not reliant to the PSSR but to how TAA upscaler affect some effects rendering at lower resolution buffer. DF love to flame the matter for the holy clickviewers than make tech insights.
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Bojji
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Only PSSR has issues like that, you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to deduce that there is something wrong with THIS upscaler.
Continue to believe it. That's fine.
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Bojji
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I don't have to believe in anything, this is based on FACTS (tons of videos documenting it) - you just pretend that it isn't true, like flat earthers. Once PSSR 2.0 drops that fixes those issues I will happily say that Sony finally has good/great Ai reconstruction tech.
Such issues are notorious in all TAA upscaler and especially with raytracing. But the other major companies have years of experience to instruct developers and the "algorithm" to "mask" such problems. It's not something broken in the PSSR
but thankfully next year such issues should be less visible.
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DeepEnigma
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These same goofies,Ah so you warring
The real horror is the DF supposed "tech experts"
Hypothetical hardware that isn't finalized nor even mass produced yet years away, what the actual fuck are you talking about?
Switch 2 isn't underpowered for today's hardware scene if you have even a remote clue of what you are talking about, its handily beating $1000+ AMD handhelds at raytracing at less than half the price.
Bojji
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Such issues are notorious an all TAA upscaler. But the other companies have experienced for years and they instructed and the algorithm to decrease such problems. It's not something broken in the PSSR
No problems like that with TAA, TAAU, TSR, XESS, FSR2/3, FSR4, DLSS3/4. Problems with PSSR.
I guess it must be the devs/engine...
So you don't know enough the matter and never cared to going in deep to the issues of the TAA upscalers reading here and there. OK, that's fine. But maybe it's time to let it go.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Series S: "Can't recommend"
Switch 2: "Handsome results"
Fucking Richard on Nintendo's payroll.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Are you deliberately obtuse or what? AMD are years who try to refine the FSR. How Sony can achieve their experience with their first attempt? You are completely irrational. And what it's more ironical AMD collaborate with Sony to achieve the FSR4 result
To be fair, this is still Sony's fault though. I believe they'll fix it with PSSR 2.0 in 2026 when they release their form of FSR4.
They are "new" somehow, probably they expected to encounter less issues easily fixable with the AI "magic", who knows.... Maybe they thought TAA upscaler was easier to develop.
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Tobimacoss
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K KeplerL2 has stated the specs for Canis, Orion, Magnus are pretty much final.
Canis = 16 CU RDNA5
Orion = 52 CU RDNA5
Magnus = 68 CU RDNA5
So the delta between Canis and Orion is very similar to the delta between Series S and X. It's actually bigger. If Sony mandates parity in order to release on PS6, will that be underpowered hardware then? Simple question.
mckmas8808
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Why would Sony mandate parity between Canis and Orion?
Bojji
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Tobimacoss
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Because while MS has a fallback on the Xbox handhelds, Sony doesn't.
Windows/Xbox handhelds can simply run Xbox PC versions even if no Handheld Optimization, they can brute force with powerful hardware or using AutoSR, and get yearly upgrades to hardware. There's also Steam/Epic versions available.
Sony will need to mandate dev support for the handheld if they want it to be successful. I believe both Sony and MS can mandate optimization for two Console SKUs before they start pissing off devs.
For Sony, it would be Canis and Orion. For MS, it would be Magnus AT2, and maybe possibly Magnus AT3.
MLID said he read documents where Sony wants to use Canis to get PS4 holdouts to upgrade, possibly with a #299 or $349 TV variant of Canis handheld, without the battery or screen. So if Canis were to become PS4 replacement, it will need to play ALL PS6 gen games, thus mandatory support.
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Bojji
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You don't even read a single word to what I wrote until now
Same is true with you. If only one upscaler (out of many) produces issues, then the problem is with this particular upscaler or game/engine? What answer is more logical?
If the problem was just the upscaler shouldn't work well in any case. Never ever. It's enough logical for you?
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The bolded is simply 100% not true. Even Steam Deck doesn't mandate every game released on Steam to be playable on it. There's just no way Sony will force every PS6 game to be playable on Canis. Sony doesn't even force PSSR for PS5 games that release on it and are "Pro" Ready.
Bojji
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It pretty much doesn't work with lumen correctly (and there are dozens of UE5 games), outside of Wukong that used 5.0 version of the engine (not officialy compatible with PSSR).
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Silent Hill 2 Remake, Resident Evil 2 Remake, & Resident Evil 4 Remake.
Add Dead Space remake to complete the four.
Underpowered is all about context. If its not a handheld targeting efficiency, then arguably yes, deliberately releasing an overpriced product that fails to deliver on its promised output and has dramatic hardware chokepoints (which is the Series S's problem with its terrible RAM setup), would be underpowered.
You posting some vague APU GPU-specific details is meaningless and has nothing to do with my post though. Point still stands, its an unreleased product we won't see for quite some time, anyone arguing about if its underpowered or not are being dense. Its also completely irrelevant to this discussion.
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Tobimacoss
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But then it won't be a full PS4 replacement without full PS6 game support. The hardware should actually be more efficient and more powerful than a Series S.
We shall see how things play out. But there are 50 million PS4 users that Sony wants them to upgrade badly. Canis is designed to act as both the handheld AND entry point console.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I'm lost now LOL! Considering the PS6 generation and every generation going forward will have more cross-gen games and a long transition than what we had from PS3 to PS4...........why wouldn't Canis being able to play every PS4 and PS5 game not be enough?
memoryman3
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Bolded is certainly not happening aside from games with Low Power mode profiles.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yeah......I guess I should say most PS5 games. I'm very curious how this will be worked on in 2026 with the "Low Power Mode" profile for games.
BigLee74
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I mean, it's almost like developers haven't been scaling games forever.
Zacfoldor
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Tobimacoss
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Because Canis can't play EVERY PS5 game either, Sony would need to mandate every PS5 game be patched for Canis in order to continue being sold.
Canis being part of PS6 gen, with a RDNA5 gpu and Zen6C CPU, with all the upscaling and AI tech, it's better to have PS6 games run on the device than simply patching PS5 games.
It won't JUST be a handheld, was the point. According to MLID, Sony wants to do a PSTV style variant of Canis at $299 or $349 max.
For reference, I think neither the Series S nor Canis are underpowered. Series S Ram was low, yes, but that's because MS expected devs to use Sampler Feedback streaming. Sony won't make a mistake of having low RAM, they are using 24 GB LPDDR5X ram for Canis.
