Chan
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This immediately turned me off. Haven't seen so much pop in for a long time honestly.
Digital Foundry: STALKER 2 PS5/PS5 Pro Review + Patch 1.7 - PC/Xbox Series X|S Dramatically Improved!
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Panajev2001a
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Both are third person shooters and thus tend to have a slightly more fixed camera. Play any FPS and many third person camera games and I just cannot believe people can be bothered by that more than camera motion smearing the screen (aside edge cases like Alan Wake 2 before the patch).
Superposition
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This looks way better than I expected on PS5 Pro, the draw distance and textures especially.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Popped in the game on SX after like .. 10 (?) months and the open world running around feels like butter in the 60fps mode.
This is probably the most drastic change in performance profiles, without changing engines or a full re-release, i've ever seen in a game.
GG GSC
It doesn't use nanite on foliage, that's something later iterations of the engine added. It does use nanite on the world geometry.
This is probably the most drastic change in performance profiles, without changing engines or a full re-release, i've ever seen in a game.
GG GSC
It doesn't use nanite on foliage, that's something later iterations of the engine added. It does use nanite on the world geometry.
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MAX PAYMENT
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Awesome. Thanks for the response. Ill check it out.
Mister Wolf
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They did that when it first released.
Gaiff
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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In other words another disappointing Pro upgrade. According to DF, literally the only difference they can see is better shadows. Same res in both modes as SX.
i wonder if the claim the devs made about Gi being improved is even true.
Man, I can't be the only person who feels absolutely gutted every time a game comes out that has a lot of hype for its Pro patch, only to realize there is such a miniscule difference compared to other consoles...??
no, looking a little better in motion and higher res shadows is not significant enough for the articles and videos pre release.
god damn it has been one game after another this year. Doom the Dark Ages, Indiana Jones, Dying Light The Beast, MGS Delta were all supposed to have big upgrades, touted by devs in video adverts
the devs for Stalker 2 were touting 3 improved features as well as higher res.
Mgs Delta and Silent Hill F have that nasty pssr fizzle and don't significantly improved irrespective of the pssr shit.
The Beast devs straight up lied and Stalker is just disappointing. Oblivion remaster, expedition 33, atomfall, borderlands 4, mafia 4, hell is us. None of these games are worth the time it took some shmuck to type out and submit the "pro enhanced tag" on PSN.
Yeah, im still pissed
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Jesus.. near £800 upgrade over a base and fuck all to show for it, so glad i didn't bite the bullet and decided to hold off for a year or two
Markio128
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I've barely noticed any dips on the Pro, even during a shootout at the Lesser Zone camp. I'd go as far to say it performs better than most open-world games of its type. And regardless of the base output, it looks very sharp and detailed in performance mode, with a great draw distance.
The only visual issues I've noticed are a little pop-in and some breakup of distant shadows on buildings, but other than that, I think the devs have done a great job of porting the game to the Pro.
The only visual issues I've noticed are a little pop-in and some breakup of distant shadows on buildings, but other than that, I think the devs have done a great job of porting the game to the Pro.
Good for you, though I know to waste my times to reply to post like this because clearly there are purposely provocative and won't lead to any kind of interesting discussion outside flame other consecutive replies about how shitty is the ps5 pro hardware because pricey BUT you should look also some video on YouTube and judge with your own eyes indeed just to take some impressions by DF as the holy grail, because the IQ and the GI on ps5 pro seems decently improved eh. In the end we are talking of same tech guy "expert" who find FSR preferable over the PSSR which is a very personal and opinable stroke and we should discern his taste to what the video shows.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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Bro ....his post wasn't even addressed to you. It also wasn't purposely provocative. Many of these updates are just incredibly disappointing to some of us. The Gi is indistinguishable from the other consoles. I've played on SX and own it on Pro. DF also reported this. No, looking at Youtube videos doesn't show the Pros gi looking better. The shadows are the only noticeable improvement and after playing it for over 25 hours i can say the dynamic shadows from time of day changes are broken in Performance mode. They do the same thing that Days Gone does- they are broken up, digitized, and skip around its off putting. I dont know if that's the fault of the Pro. In days gone it must be since it never happened wheb i played the non-pro patched game
The resolution is the same too. Why, if the devs aren't using PSSR is the resolution the same? Probably because this game is better optomised for Xbox. That, or whatever settings the devs "improved" on Pro (which again boils down to better shadow quality) is eating up whatever extra horsepower that the Pro has.
We see time and time again how weak the Pro is. Game after game this year has proven the delta must be small because the big improvements are not there. Pick some games that arent Sony first party anf ill show you how lacking the Pro enhancements are. I'd like to hear from you though. Which games prove why you think we're wrong? What are all the great Pro enhancements, what specufucally did they improve? What about all the games thay we know just have higher DRS? Why doesnt Stalker have a higher res than the SX?
Venom Snake
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In vast majority of cases, it's the best performing console. Even compared to the XSX, which costs essentially the same amount of money today.
And since the image quality in Stalker 2 is the best on pro, what difference does it make what resolution it is?
Listen dude your disappointment is very clear from awhile. If for you shitty, fine sell it and go on but for me it is what is is it supposed to be and I'm fine with that. Your posts are absolutely irrational and nonsensical, too much sensitive about the argument and hardly you can keep any kind of fairness, most of the time. And continue to repeat is shitty at every "bad" port because for you the enhancement is not enough, not make it better for you and doesn't lead to any kind of discussion because there are people who even appreciate what the ps5 pro offer (I know shocking) so I really don't get it what's even the point to repeat the same argument again, again and again , when the specs are not a mistery for anyone neither the higher price and paradoxically there are definitely games with appreciable upgrades if we look at it.
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Josemayuste
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Double dipped and bought the game on PS5, there goes another 300+ hours I think and yeah, the difference in resolution is pretty noticeable, Series X version looks crisper overall, but haptics, 3D audio, gyro aiming makes PS5 version better playable wise.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That's what I have told him before. Sell it and get a ps5 slim or a even build a PC. Don't know why he keeps coming to the threads of games with bad optimization and say he is not happy with the PS5 Pro. Maybe he keeps it to have the argument he have one and say he is disappointed in every thread. This game came out broken for every console not just PS5 Pro. Even on PC it was broken? Now with this patch well it runs better but does that make it an good optimized game? No. Will they make a good use for the PS5 Pro? No. Does UE5 have problems with PSSR? Yes and I agree that Sony and Epic should work on that. Hopefully that will improve next year.
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DenchDeckard
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Xbox Series X is just a fucking beast, bro! We done tried to tell you all!
I kid, PS5 pro is a disappointing box but I don't mind mine as I bought it just for DS2. I'm not intelligent but I like games.
You believe he's a ps5 pro gamer do you?
He's clearly a masterful concern troll.
Just stick the helmet on ignore, that's what I did
Markio128
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A lot of it is simply down to developer competency/familiarity with a system/engine and not the hardware itself. Unfortunately, some keyboard warriors only have one drum to bang.
Witchilich
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If you buy it on PS5, you have the option to play it on the superior PS5 Pro version.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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Because, the image quality is more or less identical as confirmed by DF. Only thing they said is its better "in motion". How vague is that? They gave no reason as to why? We know it doesn't use pssr. None of the consoles use motion blur, and they look and perform the same other than this "in motion" thing.
In vast majority of cases, it's the best performing console. Even compared to the XSX, which costs essentially the same amount of money today.
And since the image quality in Stalker 2 is the best on pro, what difference does it make what resolution it is?
Even if its true and it looks better in motion, THAT is what you're going to hang your hat on as to why you think I shouldn't complain about this? We know the shadow quality is better but STILL dude, you're happy with that?? That's as disappointing an "upgrade" as you can get.
Not sure why some of you guys can't admit when an upgrade is just obviously weak like this one. Is it that thing like Karim where you feel like you have to defend it from too much criticism?
Feel Like I'm On 42
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You are a fucking asshole. "Concern troll" when I own probably 3x as many games as you on my Pro. See, its liars like you that really piss me off. When you fanboys start accusing me of being someone I'm not that's where I draw the line! The most toxic people on the forum are people like YOU. Can't argue in good faith so you resport to insults and lies.
I have all these games on the Pro that Im talking about, you want me to make a fucking list to so you stop trying to point me as something I'm not? Do you want to test my knowledge? What would it take for you assholes to get off my back?
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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I can't afford to buy a powerful PC right now so I'll continue to keep my Pro and call out the bad upgrades when they happen.
I don't care if you and guys like that Gerth asshole don't like to hear it. If a patch is good I'll give credit where it's due like AC shadows, yotei and kingdom come 2. If everyone thought like you and him we'd never ever see these companies do better.
You can be happy with your Pro's without resorting to accusing me of not owning one or being a troll.
That is far more toxic than the idea he and you have concocted about me and my intentions.
PicoLordens
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Venom Snake
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"More or less identical" is a rather lazy observation for someone who compares pixels at 400% zoom. It is clearly visible, although as some people say (and perhaps rightly so), it is not usually a game changer.
Besides, there's nothing wrong with criticizing underutilization of hardware, it just bothers me that every time you do it, you do it as if you've never experienced the reality of creating or porting games. It is always a matter of priorities in allocating resources, man-hours and funds.
That's why we have great pro versions like AC: Shadows, Wukong, Space Marine 2, etc. and we also have weaker ones like Stalker 2. However, we should be happy that at least the game runs great, the first owners on XSS/XSX (and even pc) did not have such a privilege for a long time. The main task for the developer had to be to get the basic things in order for the majority of players rather than focus on privileges for the very few on a rather niche console like the pro.
Which ultimately comes down to the oft-repeated question of whether that extra $300 is worth it. That's subjective. If you consider the better ports or games that teetered on the brink of playability on PS5, then absolutely yes.
In other circumstances, less so, but these are things you need to consider before buying, otherwise you are consciously taking unnecessary risks.
Three hundred dollars is roughly the difference between the RTX5070 and the Ti version, where you usually get +20-30% performance at exactly the same settings, not a huge gap at all, think about it before you say how much more "umph" the PS5 Pro version should have over the base version, let alone the XSX which is even closer.
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Zathalus
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I think the difference is that the Pro launched 4 years later, not at the same time. For that time and price increase you'd think it would have a bit more power. If you want to compare GPUs it would be the 3060ti at 399 when it launched in 2020 vs the 5070ti at 750 when it launched just over 4 years later. Double the VRAM and literally over twice as powerful.
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Venom Snake
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This was just a rough comparison of what to realistically expect in terms of performance given the current state. The pricing component over time is a bit more problematic due to economic factors:
RTX 3060Ti
vs RTX 5070Ti
For this reason, i usually avoid that, but since the curse of the $300 "justified or not" price difference still looms over many topics i addressed this issue in a strictly subjective way. I apologise if I made it too simplistic.
One thing to remember from this is that the increase in performance to price ratio will not always be 1:1 and at this point you need to decide wisely whether you want to bet your own savings on it or not. I bought pro so i could play all the games i missed due to poor performance on the base version.
You could say that i bought myself some enjoyment, which doesn't translate perfectly into all these ratios.
But when you're primarily concerned about your wallet and you see that a 70% price increase results in a 10-40% performance increase, it might be worth considering other options, if any are available.
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You have said lot of times before here that you are disappointed and not happy with the PS5 Pro. Why keep it then? I felt that way with the PS4 Pro sold it and got a ps4 slim. Well then continue to keep your PS5 Pro and bashing it in every threads of games with bad optimization. If that makes you happy go ahead.
Where did i said you don't own one? Quote me or give me a proof. You are making an assumption of something I have never said.
The only thing I said to you is that if you are unhappy with the PS5 Pro sell it and get a slim. My suggestion but you can do whatever you want.
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