id Software has Officially Unionized

I'm as anti-union as the come but I do support blue collar workers unionizing. They are the ones working in tough conditions and likely to be mistreated or taken advantage of.

A bunch of donks making video games not so much. "b-b-but my WFH rights as a human beeeeeeing :messenger_weary:"
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Pretty much why I was saying unions don't make sense for me earlier. I'm a tech nerd and not in a situation like many blue collar workers. I've never even heard of unions existing for developer types outside gaming in the US. I guess it could exist, but just not aware of it except for companies where every employee has to join a union. I think those are pretty rare these days
 
Yeah the guy welding I beams at 6 AM outdoors in December should get paid less so that employers can make more money.

This line of thinking is how we wound up with a bunch of illegal immigrants posting up outside home depot every morning and doing shitty jobs for less money, that they in turn send directly out of our economy to their home country.

Should iD software have a union? I don't see the point. Should welders, electricians, butchers, plumbers, etc? Yes it has served them well from what Ive seen.
wrong! money would have more value if we didn't print so much of it. One dollar in 1970 was worth 6 dollars today! We wouldn't need high wages if our money had inherent value in the first place. Minium wage, pensions, welfare, ssi, ssd, medicare, SNAP, public housing, and fucking public schools all bring on debt which creates inflation! Labor unions are just another grift to stick it to Americans. More Americans would be willing to work if the dollar had more value and the demand for immigrant labor wouldn't be as strong

Also labor unions are gate keepers and prevent employers from highering more Americans. It's a Huge Hurdle for employment! So you have no clue what your talking about.
 
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wrong! money would have more value if we didn't print so much of it. One dollar in 1970 was worth 6 dollars today! We wouldn't need high wages if our money had inherent value in the first place. Minium wage, pensions, welfare, ssi, ssd, medicare, SNAP, public housing, and fucking public schools all bring on debt which creates inflation! Labor unions are just another grift to stick it to Americans. More Americans would be willing to work if the dollar had more value and the demand for immigrant labor wouldn't be as strong
Yet European countries have all the programs you're talking about and live better lives. Furthermore, in places like Germany, the government is mandated to balance the budget by law. I guess not blowing a bunch of money on defence spending, having proper taxation in place is working wonders for them….
Also labor unions are gate keepers and prevent employers from highering more Americans. It's a Huge Hurdle for employment! So you have no clue what your talking about.
Labour unions are gate keepers? That's rich. Now business have to negotiate to provide better pay and working conditions for employees? The horror smh 🤦🏾‍♂️ 🤦🏾‍♂️. Go and read the big beautiful bill if you have the attention span for it. You'll see how inequitable the distribution of government funds are and how the us government is wasting money.
 
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Pretty much why I was saying unions don't make sense for me earlier. I'm a tech nerd and not in a situation like many blue collar workers. I've never even heard of unions existing for developer types outside gaming in the US. I guess it could exist, but just not aware of it except for companies where every employee has to join a union. I think those are pretty rare these days
For whatever reason it's a huge thing in video game studios all the sudden.

I have worked at a large consulting firm for close to 20 years and unions have never been a thing. Not even a topic of discussion. We have our core group of developers and we hire contractors for certain projects as needed. We are treated extremely well and our benefits are phenomenal. It's only on the internet that I ever hear this woe is me bullshit.
 
Yet European countries have all the programs you're talking about and live better lives. Furthermore, in places like Germany, the government is mandated to balance the budget by law. I guess not blowing a bunch of money on defence spending, having proper taxation in place is working wonders for them….

Labour unions are gate keepers? That's rich. Now business have to negotiate to provide better pay and working conditions for employees? The horror smh 🤦🏾‍♂️ 🤦🏾‍♂️. Go and read the big beautiful bill if you have the attention span for it. You'll see how inequitable the distribution of government funds are and how the us government is wasting money.
who said i ever supported current us gov spending policy? The green new scam has ruined europe and your lack of defense spending has enabled the big brown bear next door. but im done arguing with you people

PS I made nearly 300K selling my etherium this year! I been holding it for 3 years and the in usa we pay little on capital gains and zero income tax in the state I live. Plus in usa if you hold an asset for more than 12 months you get a rebate on taxes! In germany i would pay 70% in my crypto versus the 15-20% here. Also Texas is an at will state and i will find a reason to fire my employes if they talk about unions. So take the EU I don't want it!
 
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I currently work a union job (that is technically government), but it is a labor job. There is a risk of injury and we are constantly outside in the elements. This sort of job requires a union, otherwise our benefits would be terrible and is needed to hold our employer accountable for unsafe working conditions. Plus of course it secures our wage increases and cost of living adjustments (VERY important especially with inflation).

But don't worry, like 1/3 of my pay goes to taxes anyway.

As far as a white collar job like developers needing a union, well in the current climate with AI threatening so many tech jobs, this is a way to have some leverage and more job security.

It is true though, that if you are actually skilled at your profession, you will naturally have more leverage in negotiating terms of your employment.
 
who said i ever supported current us gov spending policy? The green new scam has ruined europe and your lack of defense spending has enabled the big brown bear next door. but im done arguing with you people

PS I made nearly 300K selling my etherium this year! I been holding it for 3 years and the in usa we pay little on capital gains and zero income tax in the state I live. Plus in usa if you hold an asset for more than 12 months you get a rebate on taxes! In germany i would pay 70% in my crypto versus the 15-20% here. Also Texas is an at will state and i will find a reason to fire my employes if they talk about unions. So take the EU I don't want it!
The bold is all i need to know. You're an employer so it's rational that you'd hate unions.

If you were an employee blowing all this steam trash talking unions, i'd lmao. As employer, carry on. Its a perfectly rational stance to adopt.
 
I still don't understand if unions are an overall good thing or not, I've never had a job where it would've been relevant and have read about the pro and cons minimally. I imagine it varies whether you're in the UK or US as well, and even then a case by case basis?

In my narrow view the pros seem to be better worker protection/ability to request increase of pay when stagnation happens via striking or the like, but the cons are keeping shit people in a job they don't deserve. I'm sure there were more cons but I can't remember rn.

What else is "bad" about unions? I'm not on either side here I'm asking for objective opinions, "bad" side first since I know less of those.

For example that Rockstar story sounds really bad and unfair, but then wasn't it like genuinely a technicality where they shared data with outsider that was against the terms of their job? Of course they could just be using that as a reason to fire them because they didn't want a union to form, since it was very convenient.
I've been part of good unions and worthless unions. It's too hard to judge them as a whole, but I've found that more often than not they don't do much.
 
For whatever reason it's a huge thing in video game studios all the sudden.

It's because of the history of long hours and bad job security. You also generally made less money to use skills you could make more with elsewhere.
 
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Lol, the brainwashing here is hardcore. Some of you would still be in line at the company store.
 
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For whatever reason it's a huge thing in video game studios all the sudden.

I have worked at a large consulting firm for close to 20 years and unions have never been a thing. Not even a topic of discussion. We have our core group of developers and we hire contractors for certain projects as needed. We are treated extremely well and our benefits are phenomenal. It's only on the internet that I ever hear this woe is me bullshit.
Worked in finance my whole life and never seen it or heard about it. Never seen a finance department fire all their vets and purposely rehire only young cheap university grads because they are a fraction of the salary.

It's a big deal in gaming now because budgets and salaries are through the roof, games take forever to be made, and quality is hit and miss. So are sales and profits. So the workers got a taste for the good life and want to keep it forever.

Kind of like pro athletes who are overpaid or do a bad job. They got gifted a contract to perform well, but tanked. But they negotiate no trade and no movement clauses making it hard for the team to get rid of them because they want to make sure they still get paid great and dont get traded or sent down to the minors for a bad job. They want the team to still keep paying them and playing them sinking the team.

So workers need a union to protect their asses from getting fired for a bad job. Unless a company is going broke or there's redundancies, companies will typically only fire the shitty people because it makes no sense for a company to purposely fire good workers making good products leading to good sales and profits.

You can tell it's a grift because lots of union contracts protecting workers often bases it on seniority, not quality of work. So if there is a round of corporate layoffs, the less experienced people get fired first even if they are good people. So the longer you can hold a job the harder it is to fire you unless there's so many firings it actually catches up to their tenure tier. They do this to hold onto the budget and salaries because they know it gets to a point they are overpaid. Anything for a buck.

The funniest part is when I worked at one of my old companies and the unionized warehouse staff and office staff worked at the same facility. Office in one part, warehouse and shipping downstairs. We were trying to make the month or quarter shipping stuff out and our VP told any of us with warehouse experience (me included with forklift experience) to go down and help wrap skids and load product into trucks because the warehouse guys were falling behind.

So a bunch of us go downstairs to see what's going. You got all these fuckers taking their time chatting with zero effort. No wonder loading trucks to get rid of them so the other trucks waiting to back up to the dock is taking forever. So we get down there and I could easily handle wrapping skids using the automated spinner. But the warehouse manager who wanted help told us we had to go back as union rules say only they can do the work. Were not here to take over your jobs. Were just here to help move product over these last few days because you fucks are taking forever with no urgency. So what happened is the warehouse/shipping manager probably told his staff some office people are going to come down and help and the union staff freaked out complaining. And some of the office staff that went downstairs to help even originated from the warehouse as they transitioned to an office role doing inventory/PO/invoice kind of roles. So they know these people well whereas I'm never in the warehouse. Even these people got turned back.

For those of you who have never worked in a warehouse, it's easy as hell learning how to drive a forklift, wrap skids (hand wrapped or using automated spinning machine), order picking, and doing case counts to ensure the skid of products going out matches the PO. Learned how to do all this shit at a university summer job making $10/hr.
 
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I still don't understand if unions are an overall good thing or not, I've never had a job where it would've been relevant and have read about the pro and cons minimally. I imagine it varies whether you're in the UK or US as well, and even then a case by case basis?

In my narrow view the pros seem to be better worker protection/ability to request increase of pay when stagnation happens via striking or the like, but the cons are keeping shit people in a job they don't deserve. I'm sure there were more cons but I can't remember rn.

What else is "bad" about unions? I'm not on either side here I'm asking for objective opinions, "bad" side first since I know less of those.

For example that Rockstar story sounds really bad and unfair, but then wasn't it like genuinely a technicality where they shared data with outsider that was against the terms of their job? Of course they could just be using that as a reason to fire them because they didn't want a union to form, since it was very convenient.
I live in Belgium and unions protect and care for people in a way Americans cannot imagine. They have lost some of their impact on big political changes and decisions in recent years. But it says a lot when union backed companies in the Benelux sphere, win company of the year by various non by partisan outlets, year after year.

F.e. I worked for both a big Belgian company created by heavy union affiliates AND a Japanese backed company - the difference in management and expectations and overall focus by the leaders, was insane. I'd pick the local union backed company every day.

Unions have also helped me with many legal documents when getting unemployed or an ex-boss not giving me the wages and payments I was legally entitled to.

Unions make you feel less alone and they aren't against companies, they are for the people, for workers. Any type.
 
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I live in Belgium and unions protect and care for people in a way Americans cannot imagine. They have lost some of their impact on big political changes and decisions in recent years. But it says a lot when union backed companies in the Benelux sphere, win company of the year by various non by partisan outlets, year after year.

F.e. I worked for both a big Belgian company created by heavy union affiliates AND a Japanese backed company - the difference in management and expectations and overall focus by the leaders, was insane. I'd pick the local union backed company every day.

Unions have also helped me with many legal documents when getting unemployed or an ex-boss not giving me the wages and payments I was legally entitled to.

Unions make you feel less alone and they aren't against companies, they are for the people, for workers. Any type.
If any companies or countries have good unions that help workers and the company as a united force, that's great.

But I dont think you'll see that much in US/Canada. It's more adversarial. More about which side can get the better cost, and you'll never see anything about commitments to quality of work or company wellbeing. And unions will try to play off public sympathy always trying to convince the masses it's about job safety and hazardous working conditions (even if it's an office job). But dig into the real details which come out later and the real priorities are actually always pay increases and job security. They dont want to publicly tell the world they are striking pissing people off if they dont get their 30% pay hike over 3 years because if they do that it looks bad and greedy.

That's why the TTC (Toronto Transit Commission) workers would get nailed by users posting pics of them dozing off, using their cell phone while driving, or doing other stupid things because the general public has had enough over the decades with them striking shutting down bus and subway service for more pay while screwing up people's commuting to work. If union members have an issue with management, do it at the office at the bargaining table. Dont mess around with customers. But unions have a knack for doing that when they dont get their way, so that's why in US/Canada there is little public support for them and often get laughed at or embarrassed on social media. Teachers do the same striking and not showing up before the school year begins too which messes up kids schooling and parents daycare. Union members dont give a shit. So why should non-members give a shit back?

Even in gov jobs not related to sales and earning reports, you get sectors which are unionized for control. For example, lets say you want to be teacher in Ontario. You dont care about unions, want to negotiate your own salary and control your own communication with management. You cant. You must join a union, pay dues and go through union rep processes letting them handle it for you. And if the school district has some shitty union reps youre out of luck because rules are you cant handle it yourself directly. One of my best friends is a teacher and hates the process. Her hubby is a good guy and exec. We both laugh about it because since were both private sector non-union our whole careers, we'd just say at our companies you just talk to your boss or HR directly. Why the hell would you want another person (union rep) to know about your confidential issue? But in a union rules environment, I guess the union rep knows about everything going on with everyone. Seems like a privacy issue to me.
 
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wrong! money would have more value if we didn't print so much of it. One dollar in 1970 was worth 6 dollars today! We wouldn't need high wages if our money had inherent value in the first place. Minium wage, pensions, welfare, ssi, ssd, medicare, SNAP, public housing, and fucking public schools all bring on debt which creates inflation! Labor unions are just another grift to stick it to Americans. More Americans would be willing to work if the dollar had more value and the demand for immigrant labor wouldn't be as strong

Also labor unions are gate keepers and prevent employers from highering more Americans. It's a Huge Hurdle for employment! So you have no clue what your talking about.

You are conflating like 10 different issues here.

Let me guess. Whatever you do provides so much value to society that you deserve a lot of money. The blue collar grunts who worked through covid etc do not.

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I am talking from experience in NY and NJ with many tradesmen in my family. Unions are good for those guys. The argument that real estate developers should take a bigger piece of the pie vs the guys wrestling with pipes and welding is retarded to me.
 
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who said i ever supported current us gov spending policy? The green new scam has ruined europe and your lack of defense spending has enabled the big brown bear next door. but im done arguing with you people

PS I made nearly 300K selling my etherium this year! I been holding it for 3 years and the in usa we pay little on capital gains and zero income tax in the state I live. Plus in usa if you hold an asset for more than 12 months you get a rebate on taxes! In germany i would pay 70% in my crypto versus the 15-20% here. Also Texas is an at will state and i will find a reason to fire my employes if they talk about unions. So take the EU I don't want it!
Then we wonder why the US has the debt load it has lol

As for unions- some industries need them because of the utter lack of respect their employees get. Given MS' HR moves as of late, its not surprising this occurred. Good on them but not sure if it will change anything.
 
Like all things, it really depends. On the industry, the business, the employees, and the particular situation at hand, etc.

There are plenty of examples out there where unions have or have not worked.

Pretty much. Folks are looking at this from an aspect of basic human psychology, I think. If a union is giving people protection from being fired then are they going to be as motivated to work as hard? A lot of people will say no, but in reality, like you say, it depends. Some people are motivated and want to grow their skills and progress in a career. Others will take advantage of those protections and only do what is necessary. Those people do exist and they make it worse for everyone, especially those who work hard and would, theoretically, be protected from negative actions the employer might take without cause.

In the case of Id employees, none of this really applies though. There are no protections from being laid off or fired. So the focus seems to be on being able to work from home and I don't see any guarantee that will happen with this. It looks to me as if they are forming a union for its own sake, but I could be wrong. CWA will happily take their normal fee either way.
 
In the case of Id employees, none of this really applies though. There are no protections from being laid off or fired. So the focus seems to be on being able to work from home and I don't see any guarantee that will happen with this. It looks to me as if they are forming a union for its own sake, but I could be wrong. CWA will happily take their normal fee either way.
Yeah, very true. It certainly makes me curious as to why they'd feel the need to unionize. Maybe there was something being done internally and such a thing could potentially help their situation? Or maybe they're not in the greatest spot after TDA's sales and are panicking? I guess the "working from home" scenario never crossed my mind as the buddy of mine that works there mentioned the entire team living and working in the area, so going to HQ was never an issue as far as I know. I never understood the pro WFH crowd, especially when you're able to work in the office. I'd much rather work in a physical environment amongst my coworkers if I had the choice. Communication and flow just works better in-person than from a distance in most cases, and there's less room for miscommunication/error.

The only times I've heard of such a thing being an issue is when employees were hired remotely (out of state/city) and there was no real way they could make it into the office without completely moving. Which can certainly suck for those that were hired remotely with a family and are unable to move. But it doesn't sound like there's been too many situations like that.
 
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You are conflating like 10 different issues here.

Let me guess. Whatever you do provides so much value to society that you deserve a lot of money. The blue collar grunts who worked through covid etc do not.

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I am talking from experience in NY and NJ with many tradesmen in my family. Unions are good for those guys. The argument that real estate developers should take a bigger piece of the pie vs the guys wrestling with pipes and welding is retarded to me.
they should start their own business then see how life really is. Know whats great about Texas? You can join a union and not be required to pay any dues!

Lol so this deal with id software might fall apart anyhow! Hey look we crawled through hell on our backs to form a union just for half of our members to not pay anything or show up to any strikes! And we can't kick them out! Texas is the NUMBER 1 Union busting state in the country and I love it
 
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An honest question - if the company unionized - can you abstain from going to union and can the company gives you better benefit compared to ones unionized?
If not - I'll leave company the day it's unionized.
 
they should start their own business then see how life really is. Know whats great about Texas? You can join a union and not be required to pay any dues!

Lol so this deal with id software might fall apart anyhow! Hey look we crawled through hell on our backs to form a union just for half of our members to not pay anything or show up to any strikes! And we can't kick them out! Texas is the NUMBER 1 Union busting state in the country and I love it

Yeah, only business owners know how life really is. Tradesmen make too much money in unions and drive inflation. But business owners deserve to make a lot of money which does not drive inflation apparently. You sound like a fucking moron dude.
 
An honest question - if the company unionized - can you abstain from going to union and can the company gives you better benefit compared to ones unionized?
If not - I'll leave company the day it's unionized.
In general, yes you can leave the union, and no, you don't necessarily get better benefits.

The details get VERY complicated.

Yeah, very true. It certainly makes me curious as to why they'd feel the need to unionize. Maybe there was something being done internally and such a thing could potentially help their situation? Or maybe they're not in the greatest spot after TDA's sales and are panicking? I guess the "working from home" scenario never crossed my mind as the buddy of mine that works there mentioned the entire team living and working in the area, so going to HQ was never an issue as far as I know. I never understood the pro WFH crowd, especially when you're able to work in the office. I'd much rather work in a physical environment amongst my coworkers if I had the choice. Communication and flow just works better in-person than from a distance in most cases, and there's less room for miscommunication/error.

The only times I've heard of such a thing being an issue is when employees were hired remotely (out of state/city) and there was no real way they could make it into the office without completely moving. Which can certainly suck for those that were hired remotely with a family and are unable to move. But it doesn't sound like there's been too many situations like that.
Based on all we know, it was people butthurt about Microsoft's RTW mandate.

A lot of people REALLY want to work from home.
 
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An honest question - if the company unionized - can you abstain from going to union and can the company gives you better benefit compared to ones unionized?
If not - I'll leave company the day it's unionized.
Depends on the country, company and industry.

Some kinds of careers in countries or districts require union membership. A lot of government jobs are like this. If you go for a management or exec job those will be almost always classified non-union job (at least for US/Canada). I wanted to say never, but I'm sure there's some random outliers.

For example in Toronto, if you want to be a teacher or a bus driver, you have to join a union, pay dues and go by whatever rules you have to follow. Any any meaty issues you got with the department or bosses, you have to go through the process, tell a union rep your issue and they handle it whether you like it or not.

If a non-union company decides to unionize, your participation will mostly likely be optional. But any unionized coworkers will evil eye you as a traitor. And you may still have to pay union dues anyway. And if the job you got becomes a unionized kind of role, you might be booted out and need to find a non-unionized role in the company the union doesnt represent (like a manager role).

If you are non-union yes you can negotiate your own pay.
 
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