So Blizz just gated the 1st Diablo 4 xpac behind the 2nd one...
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MonkD
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Yeah, that's a model they've been using since around the 3rd or 4th expansion I think.
But it's an MMO, so it's a different echo system. There is only one expansion for sale ever. So it's either you buy the expansion or you don't. And I'm not sure how much there even is without buying anything. With Diablo IV you still have to buy the base game, right? I don't even think that is the case with WoW anymore. Either way, WoW is a great example of a game that tries to get your money by any means possible.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I've held back so far from buying the first one, can easily wait another year or so and buy the double pack on discount, lol.
Reizo Ryuu
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Not really, because even if you just want the old expansion, you're getting the new one as well and all the seasonal content that's exclusive to it for the same price the old expansion launched.
RafterXL
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At least the PoE2 developers are honest. Just because it doesn't say early access next to Diablo 4 doesn't mean we aren't all Blizzards test dummies while they are still figuring out how to make a good game. They've already completely reworked the game three times and are doing it again in the next year. I don't see how PoE2 being a third the cost for a significantly better product is a bad thing, early access label or not.
Majima Everywhere System
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Games for pretty fun, I'm putting more time in. This isn't exactly outrage for me, if you want to play expansion, that will be $40 and you get all that have been released.
You want to wait, wait. You could get 2 expansions for $10 if you time it right. But you don't want to wait, so pay the price. Not $20 for a class, but $40 for content and 2 classes.
You want to wait, wait. You could get 2 expansions for $10 if you time it right. But you don't want to wait, so pay the price. Not $20 for a class, but $40 for content and 2 classes.
Solarstrike
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Lucie Goosey
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Oof. That's a look alright.
What I wished I had done differently instead of buying Diablo 4 at launch to do seasons with a friend is waited a few years for the prices to come down and expansions to all be released, then play it through on hardcore and treat it like a single player game.
Trying to rush to max level for seasons sucked all the fun out of it for me. Became like a job where I had to perform instead of enjoying the journey and taking my time.
What I wished I had done differently instead of buying Diablo 4 at launch to do seasons with a friend is waited a few years for the prices to come down and expansions to all be released, then play it through on hardcore and treat it like a single player game.
Trying to rush to max level for seasons sucked all the fun out of it for me. Became like a job where I had to perform instead of enjoying the journey and taking my time.
DeceptiveAlarm
Gold Member
I don't know why this is a surprise. Its a seasonal game anymore. They do the same thing with WOW. You buy the current expansion and get access to the previous ones.
Anime-Vix
Member
Yes, wow been doing that since 2018. Im not sure what the outrage is? It would have been scummy if they didn't bundle the previous expansion in and had you pay serperate for each one.
Wilhelm_85
Gold Member
Dirty bastards. They also just announced this expansion and that it includes the previous expansion, right after running a sale on the previous expansion. Just greedy bastards.
MonkD
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The DLC has been on sale for as low as 13.99 USD. It'll probably be some time before you can get it for that price again since it's now only available in the bundle. But if we're strictly talking about the regular price I agree. But that's not the issue to be honest.
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TrebleShot
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I just finished the base campaign and really enjoyed it,
To me this sounds more like-
Buy the new expansion and get the older one free plus you get a new class, Im interested and will likely get it.
To me this sounds more like-
Buy the new expansion and get the older one free plus you get a new class, Im interested and will likely get it.
TrebleShot
Member
I tried it, it feels F2P the menus and everything so bloody confusing and the whole gear system is archaic
SupaComputa
Member
I didn't get the first expansion so it's kind of worth it in this case. There's a problem though, by installing the game about I remember how boring the game is. I also discovered playing on controller makes it a bit more tolerable, you can kick back and destroy everything by doing nothing with the paladin for 30-60 minutes and call it a day.
I could be wrong as I don't play WoW. But I was in the beta and it shows I own it. When the new expansions release it says I own the previous.
So it looks like they are just bundling the previous ones into the base game. WoW requires a subscription so that makes sense. Diablo IV has no sub so just catching everyone up on the latest DLC makes more sense.
Nydius
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People saying "what's the problem" are missing the issue that this is giving a big middle finger to those of us who bought the first expansion. Especially those of us who bought it for full price at launch. We're getting no discount on the second expansion, meanwhile people who skipped paying for Vessel of Hatred are getting it, all its content, and the new class for free.
They get two expansions for the price of one, we get two expansions for the price of two. That's great for new or returning vanilla players but a big "fuck you" to those of us who stuck with the game even when it was at its worst.
Ultimately what this has done is killed my interest in buying the expansion until sometime in the far future when they have it on deep sale for $10 like they did Vessel of Hatred. No way in hell I'm dropping $50+ on an expansion at launch just to have my wallet get bent over and violated again.
They get two expansions for the price of one, we get two expansions for the price of two. That's great for new or returning vanilla players but a big "fuck you" to those of us who stuck with the game even when it was at its worst.
Ultimately what this has done is killed my interest in buying the expansion until sometime in the far future when they have it on deep sale for $10 like they did Vessel of Hatred. No way in hell I'm dropping $50+ on an expansion at launch just to have my wallet get bent over and violated again.
Take it even further. I bought the game day one and spent $70. But today someone could just buy it and get both expansions for $70. Where's my discount? Oh things can go down in price over time?
Waiting has always been cheaper. I generally wait to get complete editions with all the content for $30. It's only the rare multiplayer game I get close to launch.
Nydius
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Yeah, things go down in price over time. But this isn't just that, this is completely delisting any options. And if "things go down in price over time", why even charge for the base game anymore at this point? If they're going to make the 2 year old $50+ expansion "free" as part of the new expansion, why not go whole hog and just make the entire base game part of the expansion and no longer sell the base edition?
Because they know if they did that they'd get blown up with criticism about "stealth raising" the cost of the base game.
Completely getting rid of the base game doesn't make sense. The base game is $30, and the expansions are $40, so $70 for everything. Or you can buy the battle box edition which includes the base game and expansions for $70.
It's a two year old game, fewer people will jump in at $70 even though it includes everything. But offering the lower cost base, you give people a cheaper jumping in price point they can then upgrade from.
In your scenario where the base game goes away. Are you saying everyone would need to just pay full price to get the latest expansion? Asking for $70 every year will drive off a lot of the player base. The new expansion could also require having the first expansion in terms of level of player and items. So someone who just had the base game and bought the latest expansion couldn't play the new content they bought.
CentralScrutinizer
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Is this not what they also do for WoW?
Is this a situation where they "discontinue" the first expansion but give it to you for "free" with the purchase of the new expansion and the cycle repeats every time a new expansion drops?
I know FF14 does this also.
Is this a situation where they "discontinue" the first expansion but give it to you for "free" with the purchase of the new expansion and the cycle repeats every time a new expansion drops?
I know FF14 does this also.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Not really, launch buyers got to play it all this time didn't they? All the exclusive seasonal content that new buyers don't get as well. Launch buyers wouldn't have gotten a discount either way; bought the first expansion for 40, buy the second for 40, buy the one after that for 40 etc.
Waiting has always been the cheaper option, but you're missing out on what's happening with the game while you wait especially when it's a live service game like diablo 4.
Fabieter
Member
That's like saying when goty versions are sold for the same as the msrp was a launch but those people who bought it before dont get the discount. I think its a non issue though.
Scary_Larry
Member
The fact that those of us that purchased VoH a while back, but don't get to try out the Paladin class - it's a slap in the face a bit. It's the bare minimum they could have done for the player base, but it's Blizzard.
I'm not spending $40-90 to give that class a spin and preorder another expansion that is probably going to be mediocre yet again.
PoE 2 is the better game regardless of it being early access (best $30 I spent this year). And to add to the fact that they gave the Druid class to us for free and casually dropped a Summoner Sorc with a new Ascendancy tree, is icing on the cake. Also, the campaign is miles better than what D4 is churning out.
GGG is eating Blizzard's lunch and I'm here for it.
I'm not spending $40-90 to give that class a spin and preorder another expansion that is probably going to be mediocre yet again.
PoE 2 is the better game regardless of it being early access (best $30 I spent this year). And to add to the fact that they gave the Druid class to us for free and casually dropped a Summoner Sorc with a new Ascendancy tree, is icing on the cake. Also, the campaign is miles better than what D4 is churning out.
GGG is eating Blizzard's lunch and I'm here for it.
