Epstein Files Released! oh wait... where are they?

Didn't democrats vote to release the files and Republicans voted against it, only when they knew they were going to be outvoted did they comply.Now no Republicans are in these files?
What's evident is that wealth affords power and influence that emboldens these people to believe they are above law and common decency. The parrying over which political affiliation is more represented in the files is just covering the real issue, which is that extreme power and wealth allows for a level of depravity that transcends something as insignificant as politics. Anyone looking at any of this as an issue of one political party vs. another is just completely missing the point.
 
This 'release' is a fucking joke, but then again .. I don't know what I would have expected from the current DoJ.

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What's evident is that wealth affords power and influence that emboldens these people to believe they are above law and common decency. The parrying over which political affiliation is more represented in the files is just covering the real issue, which is that extreme power and wealth allows for a level of depravity that transcends something as insignificant as politics. Anyone looking at any of this as an issue of one political party vs. another is just completely missing the point.
I understand but I'm focus on who's control power now. I don't care What party it is, I'm just glad I didn't get fooled by a 34 felon sex offender and confuse about this outcome I'm done now.
 
Surely even the Trump MAGA loyalists must find this a complete farce?
They think it's some kind of genius 4D Chess master plan

You all do realize what happened right?

Trump baited the Dems/MSM into caring about Epstein via the Streisand Effect, and now they are trapped. They have been screaming about the Epstein files for months now, under the impression it leads to "getting" Trump. SURPRISE! It leads to Clinton and the Dems!

The Dems were successfully psyopped into demanding the release of the Epstein files. Trump weaponized their Trump derangement syndrome.

But most importantly, now the Dems will not be able to call it a conspiracy theory or claim it was politically motivated, because they are the ones who asked for this. We made them beg for it.

Congrats Libs. You have been duped. Trump warned us about Bill Clinton and Epstein all the way back in 2015. You didn't listen. You claimed it was a conspiracy theory.

 
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Surely even the Trump MAGA loyalists must find this a complete farce?
As a die hard Republican I can say I expected no less than what happened AND find it a complete farce

Side note why didn't the last administration jump up and down and demand these files be released?

They knew Bill was in there, ALOT
 
As a die hard Republican I can say I expected no less than what happened AND find it a complete farce

Side note why didn't the last administration jump up and down and demand these files be released?

They knew Bill was in there, ALOT

No matter the political party loyalism every decent person should demand persecution for those who were involved. Both administrations did everything to hide this stuff from the public.

Republicans are so about "protecting children" but they voted against releasing files... Democrats had 4 years to do something about it and they did fucking nothing. Both parties are full of shit, dual party system is basically a duopoly and cartel at this point.
 
As a die hard Republican I can say I expected no less than what happened AND find it a complete farce

Side note why didn't the last administration jump up and down and demand these files be released?

They knew Bill was in there, ALOT

Nobody is carrying water for the Clintons anymore. Bill hasn't been relevant in decades and Hillary is blamed for Trump winning his first term. Nobody in the center or left cares if they get burned in this whole thing. Think of it this way: Do you really think anyone under 50 who's on the left cares more about Bill Clinton than they dislike/hate Trump? :pie_diana:

Biden wanted to "heal the nation" and move on from Trump 1.0. He wanted to move past the drama. He was trying to build a legacy as the POTUS who recovered from the Trump years. There was nothing positive for him to gain from diving into a bunch of this drama. He was feeble minded, but he actually believed he could win against Trump this last cycle. He hadn't accepted he was too far gone. By the time it became unbearable, there wasn't enough time to do anything but try to drum up support for an alternative.
 
No matter the political party loyalism every decent person should demand persecution for those who were involved. Both administrations did everything to hide this stuff from the public.

Republicans are so about "protecting children" but they voted against releasing files... Democrats had 4 years to do something about it and they did fucking nothing. Both parties are full of shit, dual party system is basically a duopoly and cartel at this point.
I hate both parties in all honesty but I will continue to vote as I feel if you don't vote you really dont have a right to complain

That said my vote usually goes for what I feel is the lesser of 2 evils and recently its been a hard choice honestly
 
That said my vote usually goes for what I feel is the lesser of 2 evils and recently its been a hard choice honestly

Yeah, this is what I do as well. I hate all motherfuckers in political system in my country but some of them will lead to better outcomes than others.

Public is so powerless against rich fuckers right now, Americans are armed to the teeth but so docile and focused on internal fights (right vs. left etc.) that political elites know that revolution or revolt most likely wont happen. That's why they think they can get away with anything, even fucking children and underage girls (and they do).
 
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Surely even the Trump MAGA loyalists must find this a complete farce?

Apparently U Unknown Soldier views this as a complete exoneration of Trump


Meanwhile future-President Trump was not only known to be an FBI informant against Epstein, but he publicly kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago and told him never to return



They quite literally had the Presidency from 2020 to 2024 and somehow not a single thing was found during that time

Kind of makes you wonder huh?



You will never get through to these people.
 
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Apparently U Unknown Soldier views this as a complete exoneration of Trump







You will never get through to these people.
As much and I and the rest of the sane world hate the orange monkey, I never once thought he was upto no good with kids, he was a rich cunt in the orbit of other rich cunts, has there been any other actual criminal cases brought against anyone in relation to Epstein other than Maxwell??
 
I like how Gates and Clinton are absolutely guilty because there's pictures of them hanging out with Epstein and women when we know Trump did that for decades but he's perfectly innocent.

Also like how people are declaring there's "nothing" on Trump when this shit was massively redacted and it's only part of the files.

Be consistent. There probably isn't some "Trump fucked kids" evidence but there is and has been extensive evidence that Trump was good friends with Epstein.

That shohld repulse people. Everyone is repulsed by Clinton and Gates and they didn't have anywhere near the relationship with Epstein that Trump did. They are are diagusting.
 
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I understand but I'm focus on who's control power now. I don't care What party it is, I'm just glad I didn't get fooled by a 34 felon sex offender and confuse about this outcome I'm done now.
I get it, but I think that what we see here is that the people we think are in power aren't necessarily the people who are actually in power. The fact that people like Epstein and Diddy can get away with depravity the way they did for as long as they did shows us who is really in power. It's not political office that defines power.

If the president is guilty of sex offenses then I want to see him in prison. But I also want to see all of the other people who are tied up in this punished just as much, regardless of whether they are in office or not. That's how victims get justice. I see so many people using this case to virtue signal about which political party is better or worse and it's pretty disgusting. People have gone full blown retarded with contrived political purity tests over this. It's clear from what we've seen so far that the common bond here isn't politics. It's money.
 
The Reps boasted about how this would backfire on the Dems but how exactly? Yeah it's revealed some high profile Dems who should get shit for this, but at the same time it highlights who has been redacted in this case.

If Trump and Co are happy to share this release because it contains all Dem related people then does that mean all redacted ones are GOP/Rep related? It just makes things look more suspicious for them. 😂
 
Ah, the Epstein Chronicle. The one thing that brings all sides together. If this is the kind of slop that's needed for large scale "unity", it's a good thing we don't get more of it.

I like how Gates and Clinton are absolutely guilty because there's pictures of them hanging out with Epstein and women when we know Trump did that for decades but he's perfectly innocent.
The effort by some to uniquely exculpate Trump or even portray him as the hero who actually helped bring down Epstein (something alleged victims lawyer Bradley Edwards bizarrely insinuated in the September Capitol Hill conference) is silly because it makes it out like everyone else is guilty of something when there's as much evidence of that as there is re: Trump: Zero.

But I also want to see all of the other people who are tied up in this punished just as much, regardless of whether they are in office or not. That's how victims get justice.
Common sense question that few have asked themselves or have answered straight when had it posed to them:

Why are the victims not just saying it? Why are they counting on the public release of files the basis on which multiple admins have found to be insufficient to indict anyone else? They're making all of these vague aspersions against anyone that isn't conveniently dead like Epstein, as if they are not living repositories of Epstein trafficking ring information. Many big names from Peter Thiel to Noam Chomsky have been thrown into the pot; if Bill Gates did something illegal, why doesn't one of these myriad self-identified victims say what it is?

And no, "they'll get sued" doesn't cut it. Putting aside that the pattern of lawsuits has actually been the reverse throughout this, and that they have together most of half a billion tax-free dollars in settlement cash to fall back on, we're now over three months removed from when Thomas Massie and MTG pledged to pull a Nancy Mace and speak the names of The (non-existent) List on the House floor with protection from suit from the speech and debate clause.

There is indeed a correct answer to this question that has been slyly or grudgingly admitted to by multiple unrelated and even adversarial parties.

I see so many people using this case to virtue signal about which political party is better or worse and it's pretty disgusting. People have gone full blown retarded with contrived political purity tests over this. It's clear from what we've seen so far that the common bond here isn't politics. It's money.
Money and politics are inherently linked. Most of the politically power have high net worths; most of the wealthiest people have disproportionate political influence.

You're right, people are being dumb about making this a party vs party issue, but that's by design. This whole thing is kabuki theatre. Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna drafted this legislation giving Bondi the power and in some ways the obligation to do EXACTLY what she's done with these redactions thus far. As usual, the rest of congress didn't actually read the bill.
 
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As a die hard Republican I can say I expected no less than what happened AND find it a complete farce

Side note why didn't the last administration jump up and down and demand these files be released?

They knew Bill was in there, ALOT
I feel the same way total farce.

And if there was anything damning for President Trump in the files, someone in the Biden administration would have leaked it before the 2024 election. Even if Biden himself was trying to tank Kamala's chances of winning, someone in the administration or the Biden Justice Department would have leaked anything incriminating on Trump.

I don't think there's anything particularly bad in the files about President Trump or anyone else in his administration, but I think there's plenty of bad stuff on some of the United States' closest allies and/or establishment (i.e. anti-Trump) Republican political figures.
 
I don't think there's anything particularly bad in the files about President Trump or anyone else in his administration, but I think there's plenty of bad stuff on some of the United States' closest allies and/or establishment (i.e. anti-Trump) Republican political figures.

How do you feel about the fact Trump was friends with a pedophile for decades and was known to party with him? How do you feel about him boasting about his friendship with Epstein to both Howard Stern and New York Magazine and in both situations he talked about how "young" Epstein likes girls?

Example form NY Magazine:

I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It's even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.

Super curious to hear what people think about that, I always see it just being ignored. How is that not damning of him ethically and morally? How can you not at least connect the dots and see that Trump knew about Epstein's proclivities and yet still praised him as a "terrific guy"?

They were thick as thieves.
 
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I feel the same way total farce.

And if there was anything damning for President Trump in the files, someone in the Biden administration would have leaked it before the 2024 election. Even if Biden himself was trying to tank Kamala's chances of winning, someone in the administration or the Biden Justice Department would have leaked anything incriminating on Trump.

I don't think there's anything particularly bad in the files about President Trump or anyone else in his administration, but I think there's plenty of bad stuff on some of the United States' closest allies and/or establishment (i.e. anti-Trump) Republican political figures.
Just too many of the world's most influential people on that list for there ever to be justice served, and too many on each side of the political spectrum for either side to really use it to their advantage
 
How do you feel about the fact Trump was friends with a pedophile for decades and was known to party with him? How do you feel about him boasting about his friendship with Epstein to both Howard Stern and New York Magazine and in both situations he talked about how "young" Epstein likes girls?
I don't care.

End of discussion.

As a general rule, I don't care what my politicians do in their personal lives, as long as they support the policies I want them to support and vote the way that I want them to vote.

I'm far more upset at President Trump's attacks on MTG, Rand Paul, and Thomas Massie, than I ever could be about him being friends with Epstein.

That said, whatever disagreements/issues I may have with President Trump, he's still 1000% better than the alternative, and much, much better than many Republican elected officials, who are little more than establishment hacks and RINOs
 
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Couple of follow up questions I was wondering.

I also see the former Pope in these pictures, are we implying he was there as well?

The pic of Trump with the women, why are those faces not covered up as I thought they were protecting the minors plus what was cut out in front of Trump as that looks like the perfect size for a trophy in some beauty pageant?

So far nothing I have seen has made me want to get my pitchfork out
 
As a general rule, I don't care what my politicians do in their personal lives, as long as they support the policies I want them to support and vote the way that I want them to vote.

You mean that you don't care if they are criminals and/or pedos/rapists?

Couple of follow up questions I was wondering.

I also see the former Pope in these pictures, are we implying he was there as well?

The pic of Trump with the women, why are those faces not covered up as I thought they were protecting the minors plus what was cut out in front of Trump as that looks like the perfect size for a trophy in some beauty pageant?

So far nothing I have seen has made me want to get my pitchfork out

I think pope picture was done in Vatican.
 
Kind of my point that these deleted files and these are the pics we are supposed to be outraged over?
Why the lying? Why the secrecy? Why the redactions? If these files show nothing then why are the elites doing their best to not let us see them? The hostility over it is just making things look more suspicious.
 
Why the lying? Why the secrecy? Why the redactions? If these files show nothing then why are the elites doing their best to not let us see them? The hostility over it is just making things look more suspicious.
Oh its a total farce without a doubt, I just haven't seen anything yet that makes me rage against Trump

And you answered your own question on why the lying and secrecy, the elites, the wealthiest of the wealthy are on there
 
Couple of follow up questions I was wondering.

I also see the former Pope in these pictures, are we implying he was there as well?

The pic of Trump with the women, why are those faces not covered up as I thought they were protecting the minors plus what was cut out in front of Trump as that looks like the perfect size for a trophy in some beauty pageant?

So far nothing I have seen has made me want to get my pitchfork out
We can't answer these questions. We don't know exactly what any one picture of Trump or the Pope or Clinton or MJ represents.

What is plainly obvious is a concerted effort to censor anything to do with Trump (and others.) How much material is there? How bad is it? We don't know any of that, although we do have pretty good info Trump is in those files a lot, and it's pretty plain as day he doesn't want people seeing any of it.
 
We can't answer these questions. We don't know exactly what any one picture of Trump or the Pope or Clinton or MJ represents.

What is plainly obvious is a concerted effort to censor anything to do with Trump (and others.) How much material is there? How bad is it? We don't know any of that, although we do have pretty good info Trump is in those files a lot, and it's pretty plain as day he doesn't want people seeing any of it.

If all of that is true how did none of that leak with how many Dems have had access to all this material?
 
The unredacted files should be released. If the files are redacted, then they're hiding something. Release the unredacted files. What started as redacting the minor has transformed into redacting basically all the pertinent information regarding the potential perpetrators.

It's a farcical release and only serves to ignite the fires. The full unredacted files must be released.
 
I care about their votes and the policies they support/don't support.

Everything else is just white noise.
That's a rather simplistic way of looking at it. Their votes, the policies they support, etc are a reflection of character and values. Someone who is rigid morally and sticks to their values cannot be easily swayed or coerced into voting against those values.

The same cannot be said for someone who is not rigid with their character or morals. Most people are politically lazy and have not done the enormous leg work to analyze a politician's voting record. If you asked most people where they could find that information, they wouldn't be even able to tell you. Furthermore, if they do hear about someone's voting record, it's usually on controversial issues that make the news headline.

When you say that you care about the votes and policies they support, I don't believe you. Don't take it the wrong way but when people say this, I assume that they're massive liars. If I ask most people to name the last ten bills their politician voted on how they voted, 99% of the voting public could not do that off the top of their head. To care about how one votes and what policies they vote for requires a lot of active legwork and involvement. It requires analyzing the consistency of their voting record over the period of their career to asses if their voting patterns are consistent. Again most people don't do that at all.

It's easier to predict someone's voting record from their character than to do so via analyzing their votes. One is also more likely to be familiar with a politician's character than they are with their voting record. They're also more likely to hear news about their character than their voting record. Your approach only makes sense if you're already actively involved in the political space.
 
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As a general rule, I don't care what my politicians do in their personal lives, as long as they support the policies I want them to support and vote the way that I want them to vote.

Well, he wasn't kidding.

He really could stand on fifth avenue and shoot someone and not lose the diehard support.
 
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That's a rather simplistic way of looking at it. Their votes, the policies they support, etc are a reflection of character and values. Someone who is rigid morally and sticks to their values cannot be easily swayed or coerced into voting against those values.

The same cannot be said for someone who is not rigid with their character or morals. Most people are politically lazy and have not done the enormous leg work to analyze a politician's voting record. If you asked most people where they could find that information, they wouldn't be even able to tell you. Furthermore, if they do hear about someone's voting record, it's usually on controversial issues that make the news headline.

When you say that you care about the votes and policies they support, I don't believe you. Don't take it the wrong way but when people say this, I assume that they're massive liars. If I ask most people to name the last ten bills their politician voted on how they voted, 99% of the voting public could not do that off the top of their head. To care about how one votes and what policies they vote for requires a lot of active legwork and involvement. It requires analyzing the consistency of their voting record over the period of their career to asses if their voting patterns are consistent. Again most people don't do that at all.

It's easier to predict someone's voting record from their character than to do so via analyzing their votes. One is also more likely to be familiar with a politician's character than they are with their voting record. They're also more likely to hear news about their character than their voting record. Your approach only makes sense if you're already actively involved in the political space.
I can promise you I cared way more about policies than anything

I care about our open borders and the removal of violent illegals in our country, that alone won my vote
 
That's a rather simplistic way of looking at it.
Yes, because it doesn't have to be complicated.

That's the problem with politics today - people make it way too complicated.

It's simple: I vote for someone because I expect them to vote a certain way and support certain policies. If they don't vote the way I want or don't support the polices I want, then I won't vote for them again.

Nothing else matters.

One of the biggest issues we have in politics today is that people care too much about the person and not their votes.

He really could stand on fifth avenue and shoot someone and not lose the diehard support.
I couldn't give a sh*t less about that particular example.

How could he lose my support?

Not telling Ukraine to fuck off and continuing to send them money. Continuing to attack Massie and Rand Paul. Doing something that restricts my 2nd Amendment rights. Those are some examples of how he could lose my support, but even then, he's still considerably better than the alternative.

For the most part, President Trump is doing exactly what I voted him in office to do, especially in terms mass deportations, etc. Although I do wish he had done more with DOGE, and the Department of Education should be completely closed by now.
 
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