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As for Muduro, he was a cunt and was driving his country into the ground, it was a failed state, now it's wide open to American corporate conglomerates headed by the Trump family business who'll no doubt have the Venezuelan peoples interests at heart
 
For those wondering why they rolled over and barely fought back or used anti air stuff when it's obvious the us wasn't really using much stealth here is simple.

If it was anyone else sure fight back. But what's the point Vs the USA? I wouldn't be surprised if us intelligence tipped of some members in the Venezuela military and told them we are going to do this and you best just accept it or it would be much worse.

You start shooting down helicopters loaded with us troops and you've just escalated the stakes and for what? The USA are already here for the extremely unpopular President. It's one privileged thing the USA can do whenever that's a good or bad thing is up for debate.

There is no way the USA was able to have intelligence on all anti air sites and simultaneously hit them all at once. The Venezuela military made a decision not to engage.
 
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Donald mac Ronald said:
For those wondering why they rolled over and barely fought back or used anti air stuff when it's obvious the us wasn't really using much stealth here is simple.

If it was anyone else sure fight back. But what's the point Vs the USA? I wouldn't be surprised if us intelligence tipped of some members in the Venezuela military and told them we are going to do this and you best just accept it or it would be much worse.

You start shooting down helicopters loaded with us troops and you've just escalated the stakes and for what? The USA are already here for the extremely unpopular President. It's one privileged thing the USA can do whenever that's a good or bad thing is up for debate.

There is no way the USA was able to have intelligence on all anti air sites and simultaneously hit them all at once. The Venezuela military made a decision not to engage.
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All the top brass in each branch of the military would've been contacted by the CIA with photos of their houses and told to stand down, we are coming for him and we either take him with few casualties or we bomb the absolute fuck out of the country first then take him, ain't nobody putting their life on the line for Muduro
 
The US demonstrating a very high degree of diplomatic and military competence under decisive and courageous leadership doesn't encourage adversaries to act out, it discourages it.

The previous incompetence -particularly under Biden- had the opposite effect. A direct line can be drawn from the great humiliation in Kabul, to Putin deciding to go ahead with the full invasion.

The real danger for American interests will be when power returns to less competent hands. There is little reason for adversaries to rush to act now, when they can do what Putin did and just wait until they are facing an easier opponent.
 
calico said:
The US demonstrating a very high degree of diplomatic and military competence under decisive and courageous leadership doesn't encourage adversaries to act out, it discourages it.

The previous incompetence -particularly under Biden- had the opposite effect. A direct line can be drawn from the great humiliation in Kabul, to Putin deciding to go ahead with the full invasion.

The real danger for American interests will be when power returns to less competent hands. There is little reason for adversaries to rush to act now, when they can do what Putin did and just wait until they are facing an easier opponent.
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You do realise the orange monkey is in the pockets of Putin? When Putin calls Trump asks how high does he want him to jump and the success of this operation is purely down to the competence and intelligence of the Armed forces not the shit show of incompetence you call a government, when I order a new Kitchen, it's not me that designs and fits it, I just placed the fucking order...
 
Apologies in advance if I haven't been keeping up with current affairs - for me this seems to have come out of nowhere; and I am reading this morning they have captured the president and his wife and taking them out of the country. I cant recall that happening before!

Do we know why it seems that USA has initiated what seems to be a high level of aggression against this country ?
 
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calico said:
The previous incompetence -particularly under Biden- had the opposite effect. A direct line can be drawn from the great humiliation in Kabul, to Putin deciding to go ahead with the full invasion.
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Yeah the entire Afghanistan thing was a cluster fuck. I wonder which moron signed a deal with the fucking Taliban.
 


This is the most plausible theory for what we might be up to in Venezuela I guess

Marco Rubio would be living his lifelong dream if we were able to topple Cuba's regime during his tenure as Secretary of State
 
calico said:
The previous incompetence -particularly under Biden- had the opposite effect. A direct line can be drawn from the great humiliation in Kabul, to Putin deciding to go ahead with the full invasion.

The real danger for American interests will be when power returns to less competent hands. There is little reason for adversaries to rush to act now, when they can do what Putin did and just wait until they are facing an easier opponent.
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Its one of the things never discussed about Ukraine, Vlad went in because Biden looked weak, now he may have wish to have went in when Donald was in charge but that is with the benefit of hindsight.

I don't know if "less competent hands" is accurate (I've yet to see a competent politician on either side of the isle) but a better known temperament of person is elected because right now you don't know what Donald is going to do and that will force some people to keep their head down to try and avoid his gaze. (not a bad thing)
 
winjer said:
In Ukraine, Iran and now Venezuela, we get further confirmation that Russian weapon systems are almost useless.
Any country that bought Russian weapons to equip their defense forces, can be sure that they wasted their money.
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Yes. 😂
 
sono said:
Apologies in advance if I haven't been keeping up with current affairs - for me this seems to have come out of nowhere; and I am reading this morning they have captured the president and his wife and taking them out of the country. I cant recall that happening before!

Do we know why it seems that USA has initiated what seems to be a high level of aggression against this country ?
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Who knows the exact reason but the people in power in the US see South America as part of their "sphere of influence" and see it as hostile if another country tries to bring a country there into their "sphere of influence" as is the case with Venezuela tending to be more of a Russian client state. Or Cuba, especially during the time of the missile crisis.
 
winjer said:
You can bet that most Cuban people, both living in the USA and in Cuba, would love to get rid of Castro's regime.
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Yeah. If there's one thing that unites Cuban-Americans, it is their absolute hatred of the regime they fled from

And this is apparently also a part of the plan to bring down Iran's regime too. The airstrike that destroyed Iran's nuclear research facility during the Israel-Gaza War was probably the first step in that part of the plan

All of this eventually comes back to pressuring China which imports all of its oil. I'm sure that part of the negotiations for peace in the Russia-Ukraine War is that Russia will be back to selling oil to the West and curtailing the amount of oil they sell to China

This whole plan is basically 42D chess to achieve more containment of China and if it happens some widely hated regimes worldwide which are key supporters of China also get toppled then so much the better. It's also a clear message to Putin and Russia we aren't nobody to fuck with. And it's an even clearer message to Xi Jinping in addition to the recently announced $11B weapons sale to Taiwan that we aren't going to just let you swim over to Taiwan and take the island without severe consequences
 
Unknown Soldier said:
Yeah. If there's one thing that unites Cuban-Americans, it is their absolute hatred of the regime they fled from

And this is apparently also a part of the plan to bring down Iran's regime too. The airstrike that destroyed Iran's nuclear research facility during the Israel-Gaza War was probably the first step in that part of the plan

All of this eventually comes back to pressuring China which imports all of its oil. I'm sure that part of the negotiations for peace in the Russia-Ukraine War is that Russia will be back to selling oil to the West and curtailing the amount of oil they sell to China

This whole plan is basically 42D chess to achieve more containment of China and if it happens some widely hated regimes worldwide which are key supporters of China also get toppled then so much the better. It's also a clear message to Putin and Russia we aren't nobody to fuck with. And it's an even clearer message to Xi Jinping in addition to the recently announced $11B weapons sale to Taiwan that we aren't going to just let you swim over to Taiwan and take the island without severe consequences
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There is one very important thing that should be done by the US and EU, to cripple Iran and Russia. And of course, China is one of the countries that benefits from this oil.
Trump already one a week ago, that was shipping oil from Venezuela. But there are many more, and these are a life line for these regimes.
 
Venezuela has really poor quality Oil, those spouting that this is about the US taking the oil are mis-informed.

The USA has their own supply of Oil and are self-sufficant.

Cuba however relies on oil from Venezuela and this supply is now cut off.
 
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Sybrix said:
Venezuela has really poor quality Oil, those spouting that this is about the US taking the oil are mis-informed.

The USA has their own supply of Oil and are self-sufficant.

Cuba however relies on oil from Venezuela and this supply is now cut off.
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What threat does Cuba pose to the US these days?
 
One dictator wannabe meets up with an actual one, by force... Interesting.

But in the end, all I wish to come out of this shit is a better future for Venezuelans. We'll see.
 
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Hero of Spielberg said:
What threat does Cuba pose to the US these days?
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Marco Rubio hates the Cuban regime, as do most on the right in the US Govt.

The US forcing regime change in Cuba would be another gold prize for Trump in his mind.

Also all of this move's focus away from the trouble Trump has at home.
 
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RJMacready73 said:
Impressive AF TBF considering the absolute shit show the Russian orcs made of their attempt to capture Kiev
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Because they'd have to genocide 100000 Ukrainians in the city first, ending any chance of support from Asian and African countries
In the end Putin got the better of it and traded Ukraine with Venezuela with Trump



sono said:
Apologies in advance if I haven't been keeping up with current affairs - for me this seems to have come out of nowhere; and I am reading this morning they have captured the president and his wife and taking them out of the country. I cant recall that happening before!

Do we know why it seems that USA has initiated what seems to be a high level of aggression against this country ?
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It happened again in 1989 with Noriega in Panama.

But let's not blame just Maduro. The main cause of Venezuela 's poverty were the USA sanctions
 
Sybrix said:
Venezuela has really poor quality Oil, those spouting that this is about the US taking the oil are mis-informed.

The USA has their own supply of Oil and are self-sufficant.

Cuba however relies on oil from Venezuela and this supply is now cut off.
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The pedo in chief said it himself that the oil belongs to the US.
 
Warspite said:
I don't know if "less competent hands" is accurate (I've yet to see a competent politician on either side of the isle) but a better known temperament of person is elected because right now you don't know what Donald is going to do and that will force some people to keep their head down to try and avoid his gaze. (not a bad thing)
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It is kinda this. There is a weird dichotomy between democrats adminisration and republican (at least current incantations).

Democrats are very effective in pushing local (and destructive) policies as they fully control media machine, local governments and judiciary (like throwing people in jails and arresting over hoax). But their foreign policy is a lame duck as they like to give "beautiful speeches" but they are indecisive, incompetent and prefer looking good over doing anything (well classic Starbucks liberals).

Republicans are incompetent locally (they really don't want to do anything and would prefer getting paid and do nothing), while with Trump he is able to actually make decisions. Not just talk about them - he gives a lot of off-ramps to everybody, but when the time is right he just does that. Honestly Trump is basically alone in that among GOP as they don't want to do anything at all.
 
Sybrix said:
Venezuela has really poor quality Oil, those spouting that this is about the US taking the oil are mis-informed.

The USA has their own supply of Oil and are self-sufficant.

Cuba however relies on oil from Venezuela and this supply is now cut off.
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Lukaku's First Touch said:
The pedo in chief said it himself that the oil belongs to the US.
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Venezuela has heavy oil, it's all about that:



"drug problem" is just excuse. It's another oil war for USA.
 
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Donald mac Ronald said:
If it was anyone else sure fight back. But what's the point Vs the USA?
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Let's ask the Vietnamese.

winjer said:
In Ukraine
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Old Soviet weapons were destroyed by newer Soviet/Russian ones.

winjer said:
now Venezuela
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Didn't use weapons at all.

Sybrix said:
Venezuela has really poor quality Oil, those spouting that this is about the US taking the oil are mis-informed.

The USA has their own supply of Oil and are self-sufficant.
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Venezuela has some of the largest oil reserves in the world, and the United States is the second largest importer of oil after China.
 
Critical Hit said:
Let's ask the Vietnamese.


Old Soviet weapons were destroyed by newer Soviet/Russian ones.


Didn't use weapons at all.


Venezuela has some of the largest oil reserves in the world, and the United States is the second largest importer of oil after China.
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Because the USAs goal isn't a ground invasion, occupation. It doesn't need to do that.

That's why it doesn't make any sense for them to fight back. This is basic shit mate.
 
Revolutionary said:
Captured in less than 3 hours
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Pretty interesting stuff about the history of Venezuela.

Obviously fact-check and use critical thinking when digesting and drawing conclusions from any sort of political history commentary.
 
Bojji said:
Venezuela has heavy oil, it's all about that:



"drug problem" is just excuse. It's another oil war for USA.
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I work in Oil & Gas. This guy's take is missing important details and ultimately the math doesn't add up. The idea that this is a "blood for oil" war is nonsense.

The US imported more oil than it produced from about 1995 to 2012, but those numbers flipped with the shale revolution and have continued to trend in opposing directions. We've also recently hit the point where we're almost producing as much oil as we consume, and we're now the #1 exporter of refined petroleum products. While it's true that the percentage of heavy sour we import has gone up relative to the other types of crude, the total volume of crude we import has been declining for almost 20 years.

Take a look at the current market conditions in the US - Natural Gas is dirt cheap because it's basically a waste byproduct that comes out when we're extracting oil from shale. That's lead to some of the cheapest electricity costs in the world. Along with that, our gasoline prices are currently on the low end of recent history. I could see this "blood for oil" argument if we were in the midst of an energy crisis, but we're not. We're in an energy glut.

Venezuela produces something like a million barrels a day, and their infrastructure is suffering from corruption and incompetence. Anyone who wants to increase their production is going to have to make massive investments of time, people, equipment, and money to bring everything up to a point where they could produce 2-3 million barrels. And doing that in a dodgy foreign country where they have no influence over the politics, and the next US Administration might flip on a dime and bug out makes no real sense. Not to mention Trump's own unpredictable policies.

On top of the risks for businesses looking to invest in a place like Venezuela, there's just no need when they can keep drilling here in the US. Our production ability is no where near tapped out. There's plenty more to do here. There's no need to go start a war to get their oil. It's true that refineries are expensive, but the cost to build new locations that are tooled to deal with light sweet crude is a hell of a lot less than the risks of investing in Venezuela.

Seriously, this is not the reason for this war. The numbers just don't add up.
 
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Critical Hit said:
Old Soviet weapons were destroyed by newer Soviet/Russian ones.
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In the earliest days of the invasion it was western anti tank weapons like Javelin and NLAW that were turning Russian armor into scrap. Then we settled down into the later part of the Russia's "special military operation" where the main focus of Russian aggression was bombing high priority targets like children's hospitals and residential buildings. In that the most effective kit is the US Patriot and German anti air defensive weapons. Although a lot of what Russia is sending are Iranian weapons because Russia are backwards as fuck and have no effective newer kit.
 
Donald mac Ronald said:
Because the USAs goal isn't a ground invasion, occupation. It doesn't need to do that.
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You've confused cause and effect. Ground invasion and occupation are required when resistance is expected. The fact that Maduro has been removed does not mean that the regime has been completely destroyed and that it is all over. It is still unclear how things will actually end and whether that Nobel prize winner will be able to hold on to power, if she comes to power, of course.

Wildebeest said:
In the earliest days of the invasion it was western anti tank weapons like Javelin and NLAW that were turning Russian armor into scrap.
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You forgot about the artillery, which is one of the best actually.

Wildebeest said:
In that the most effective kit is the US Patriot and German anti air defensive weapons.
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This is not surprising, the most surprising thing here is that Ukrainians are being handed them (and rockets for them) with such difficulty that it is embarrassing.

Wildebeest said:
Although a lot of what Russia is sending are Iranian weapons
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It has long been localized and improved, your information is outdated.
 
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