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[12Goblins]

One pilot said to the other "Why did you cut off?" and the other answered "I didn´t". Then they were trying to start the engines again and they almost managed to get one working on time. To me that conversation and behaviour doesn´t align with intentional suicide.

What did you want him to respond? "Muahahaha it was me!" when there was still a chance to recover the plane? It's even possible the pilot that asked "why did you cut the switch off?" was also the one that did it. What's strange about these pilot suicides, ie MH370, is we'll probably never know what really happened. Haunting

 

[E-Cat]

Boeing cannot catch a break eh?

That's certainly a way of putting it. Fuck Boeing

 

[Windle Poons]

In the 30 seconds from take off until it crashed somehow, someone:-

Lifted the fuel pump switches, turned them off;
Engines got starved of fuel causing them to stop;
Had a conversation 'why did you do that?' 'Do what - I didn't do anything'
Moved the switches back to their on position;
Fuel went back to the engines;
Almost got power back to one engine;
Issued a mayday call at least 10 seconds long...

Fuck me, that's some going there.

 

[12Goblins]

There are plenty of other things a rogue pilot could do at the moment of takeoff, like throttle down the engines, raise the flaps, push the stick forward to abort at high speed, etc. The other guy would only have seconds to react and maybe even fight the person sitting next to him. If you can't trust the pilot, everyone is basically screwed.

Ya, if you made it more difficult, like requiring both pilots to flip the switches, that would lead to even more problems. This is why pilot mental health screenings are so important, but at the same time that also that leads to pilots hiding their mental health problems because admitting to very common things like anxiety or depression can lead to permanent grounding and ending their lively hood. Very complicated situation

 

[ReBurn]

Never fly on a South Asian airline.

I have flown on Air India a few times. Their international flights are ok, but the domestic flights I was on were something else. I swear everyone brought food from home for a 2 hour flight.

 

[SlimySnake]

this is why i hate traveling on airplanes. i have to use 2 factor authentication just to login to playstation, but pilots can just turn off fuel to the engine with a press of the button on their own, without the other guy's permission? at the very least it should be a two step process just so you dont accidently do it.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Going by the recording, we'll never truly know. It was either deliberate, an accident or sabotage from another source somehow messing with the switches.

Seems unlikely we'll ever be able to say it was 99% or 100% A, B or C. (unless they found a suicide note or other info via their investigations).

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

this is why i hate traveling on airplanes. i have to use 2 factor authentication just to login to playstation, but pilots can just turn off fuel to the engine with a press of the button on their own, without the other guy's permission? at the very least it should be a two step process just so you dont accidently do it.

Yeah, this new info has left me on edge about flying.

 

[calistan]

this is why i hate traveling on airplanes. i have to use 2 factor authentication just to login to playstation, but pilots can just turn off fuel to the engine with a press of the button on their own, without the other guy's permission? at the very least it should be a two step process just so you dont accidently do it.

It seems like it's pretty much impossible for it to be done accidentally. There's a picture of the switches in one of the articles linked on the previous page, and they have guard rails around them plus you have to physically pull them upwards before they can moved.

 

[David Ricardo]

What did you want him to respond? "Muahahaha it was me!" when there was still a chance to recover the plane? It's even possible the pilot that asked "why did you cut the switch off?" was also the one that did it. What's strange about these pilot suicides, ie MH370, is we'll probably never know what really happened. Haunting

There was a chance to recover the plane if both pilots tried to recover it, and that´s what they were actively doing. If one of them wanted to crash it there were many things he could do to make sure it happens. For example, pointing the nose down right after take off. He wouldn´t even need to turn anything off. Just point the nose down and it´s done. No need to turn the engines off, pretend you didn´t do it, then try to save the situation even if you don´t want to save the plane... that makes no sense.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

For those who know more about aviation. Is there any reason you would need to shut off fuel to the engines. Like some kind of emergency or anything? Other than powering down the craft at an airport.

Maybe it's something that should be taken away from the pilots via remote activation at airports.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

For those who know more about aviation. Is there any reason you would need to shut off fuel to the engines. Like some kind of emergency or anything? Other than powering down the craft at an airport.

Maybe it's something that should be taken away from the pilots via remote activation at airports.

If the engine takes some sort of damage and catches on fire while in flight, it would be nice to be able to stop supplying fuel to the engine lol

 

[Giallo Corsa]

For those who know more about aviation. Is there any reason you would need to shut off fuel to the engines. Like some kind of emergency or anything? Other than powering down the craft at an airport.

Maybe it's something that should be taken away from the pilots via remote activation at airports.

Engine fire ?

 

[Avid Reading Horse]

For those who know more about aviation. Is there any reason you would need to shut off fuel to the engines. Like some kind of emergency or anything? Other than powering down the craft at an airport.

It's in engine failure and engine fire memory items.

Maybe it's something that should be taken away from the pilots via remote activation at airports.

 

[Gp1]

this is why i hate traveling on airplanes. i have to use 2 factor authentication just to login to playstation, but pilots can just turn off fuel to the engine with a press of the button on their own, without the other guy's permission? at the very least it should be a two step process just so you dont accidently do it.

That's exactly the ideia.
I believe that fuel switch position is one of the first item on check-list for start the plane. So both pilots are sure of the position and you basically only switch it again at the end of a flight in normal conditions

Plus its in a secure position in the center console and isolated with at least 2 physical protection against a "pilot mistake".

For those who know more about aviation. Is there any reason you would need to shut off fuel to the engines. Like some kind of emergency or anything? Other than powering down the craft at an airport.
Maybe it's something that should be taken away from the pilots via remote activation at airports.

Nope.
Engine fire, bird strike, basically any real problem on the engine and the pilots may need to cut the the fuel for a engine that consumes 2.5 tons of fuel per hour and spins at 2400 rpm at 35.000 ft.

 

[12Goblins]

There was a chance to recover the plane if both pilots tried to recover it, and that´s what they were actively doing. If one of them wanted to crash it there were many things he could do to make sure it happens. For example, pointing the nose down right after take off. He wouldn´t even need to turn anything off. Just point the nose down and it´s done. No need to turn the engines off, pretend you didn´t do it, then try to save the situation even if you don´t want to save the plane... that makes no sense.

How do you know they tried to save the situation, other than one of the pilots flipping the switches when he noticed they had been switched off?

Pointing the nose down right after take off seems like a terrible idea and a good way to survive airplane crash. Also you don't think the other pilot would notice and make an attempt to physically stop him? your posts make no sense man

Flipping the switches and stalling the plane when it's that low is almost a guaranteed way to prevent a recovery, and it's probably not a coincidence that it happened to land into residential buildings