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[Shane89]

Can't wait to check it out. Always fun to play around with these things.



Stop being such a fucking weirdo. Your posts are cringe AF.

why? because i'm against this AI rampage? don't worry, there no need to be triggered by someone which is against your holy grail.

 

[ozz ex machina]

Improvements to image quality in the upscaler is great.
But 6X frame generation is just stupid.

Yeah 4x was already excessive and rarely applicable. 6x is completely retarded. It's purely so they can show a graph going up.

 

[Gitaroo]

further proof that the new monitors with 165Hz is dumb, at a base 60fps which is what is recommended for FG and a 3X multiplier, that is already 180fps.

 

[Holammer]

And the seething has begun!

With 480 & 500 hz already common, (720 around the corner?) and a bunch of Ultrawide 360hz on the way. There's plenty of use cases where x6 would be useful.
But I imagine a lot of the clownery comes from the people that haven't seen anything faster than 120.

Base 120fps with x6 FG on a 720hz display is going to look fk'n immaculate.

 

[OverHeat]

We need 4K monitors with more then 240hz stats

 

[clarky]

Guys it need AI cores to do this it's not free…

That something you find in Arc Raiders?

 

[daninthemix]

Guys it need AI cores to do this it's not free…

This is something that has confused / bugged me - surely the raster cores and the tensor cores (and the RT cores) in an ideal world can all do their thing without costing each other any performance. But it doesn't quite seem to work like that.

 

[Gripsx]

this should greatly improve my 5070ti with my 4k 240hz monitor

 

[JohnnyFootball]

DLSS4 is practically flawless already, so any improvements are more than welcome.

I disagree. I get tons of ghosting. Its great, but not quite perfect.

And yes, I've used DLSS Swapper to get the latest .dll for all of time.

 

[poodaddy]

Nvidia has gone full shenanigans with the frame gen now.

Fuck it, let's go, I kinda wanna see how blurry and awful the motion clarity can possibly be. How long till AAA'S are upscaling from 240p and frame generating from 10 to 60 and that's considered shippable by devs who consider optimization optional?

Good times, let's do it man, I'm enjoying the chaos.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

it's not free because you have to buy a 50 series, genius, for a software update, and for something that will increase the developer lazyness

PCMR supporters are literally the funniest entities on the globe. they really like being f***ed

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I am. Thanks Nvidia. I can use frame gen on single player games with path tracing that I play with a controller as I don't notice the input lag at all.

Also. The fact they are announcing this for 5000 and not keeping it as a 6000 series exclusives tell me there is no real tech that is 6000 exclusive ( or most likely there isn't ) . Which is great news for 5000 owners. As in there is no real reason to upgrade if you are happy with your 5000 performance

The 6000 series should see a legit generational uplift since they will be updating the node.

 

[nemiroff]

Yeah 4x was already excessive and rarely applicable. 6x is completely retarded. It's purely so they can show a graph going up.

While 4x often struggled in DLSS 4, that's not really the point. We're simply anticipating the improvements in the new 4.5 models, like we saw when going from DLSS3 to 4.

TLDR; Perhaps 4x is the new 2x in image quality now, or something

 

[Shockwave_Fox]

Damn, these guys are almost catching up to AMD and the 7 games supporting FSR4!

 

[poodaddy]

One thing I have learned from this forum is that behind every laughing emoji lies an insecure console warrior.

I'm PC only and I laughed at ya. Cheering on Nvidia is just absolutely insane, this company doesn't give a flying fuck about gamers at all.

Goddamn do we need competition. I just wish AMD and Intel would stop suckin shit through a straw.

 

[The Cockatrice]

This was expected considering we aint getting more ram/better products. Instead going forward they'll focus on fake frames.

 

[nemiroff]

I'm PC only and I laughed at ya. Cheering on Nvidia is just absolutely insane, this company doesn't give a flying fuck about gamers at all.

Goddamn do we need competition. I just wish AMD and Intel would stop suckin shit through a straw.

Come on... We're obviously "cheering" their tech, not their business. We established that no one is a fan of their business practice here a long time ago. So we don't really need to have this discussion in every single Nvidia tech thread.

 

[Zathalus]

I can't wait for the AI Bubble to burst and bring nvidia back to earth again. As a gamer I want crisp and clean visuals and reactive gameplay. AI Upscaling just smears the picture during movement and frame generation adds aditional latency. Obviously their main customers are not gamers so they don't care.

Smears picture during movement is like the opposite of what DLSS4 does. It actually is far more clear in movement than basically anything else. And the 10ms-15ms of extra latency introduced by MFG depends on the game. For a ton of games the enhanced motion clarity it offers can be worth it.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Nvidia bots roll out!

 

[poodaddy]

Come on... We're obviously "cheering" their tech, not their business. We established that no one is a fan of their business practice here a long time ago. So we don't really need to have this discussion in every single Nvidia tech thread.

Come on... Have a look at the guy who was calling people console warriors for not jerking off to this.

It's not about having the conversation again, I'm bored of it too, but the guy was simply wrong, that's all, and I was calling it out; there is nothing more to it than that.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I am. Thanks Nvidia. I can use frame gen on single player games with path tracing that I play with a controller as I don't notice the input lag at all.

The frame gen dogpiling is internet brain rot. Says a lot about the peoples shitting on it with "HUR DUR DUR 6X LAG" when they probably don't realize consoles would probably still have more latency than 6x mode by far.

Nvidia inherently had better latency than AMD without even reflex

Spoiler

Reflex is making it leagues better than consoles in general. If framegen latency is unacceptable then consoles are VERY unacceptable.

 

[Anchovie123]

Im gonna be honest, DLSS has gotten so good that I dont even think about it anymore. I pretty much turn on DLSS performance + FG wherever possible.

After getting a 240hz OLED, you realize that the only thing that matters is getting the framerate as close to the refresh rate as possible.

Any improvements to DLSS is fantastic news. Yeah i know i sound like an insane shill right now but i dont care.

 

[Spyxos]

Thats the one thing i am missing after switching over to amd. Fsr4 is nice, but dlss 4 transformer was a lot better.

Also the Adrenalin Software is so incredlby laggy.

 

[Wolzard]

 

[Itchy Tickles]

DLSS improvements are always welcome, especially not locking out previous gens, but surely for frame gen they should've focused on input lag first? I *only* have a 4090, but have used a 5070ti and over 2x, for me personally, the input lag felt way too noticeable.

 

[BennyBlanco]

6x frame gen

and gamers are happy

Samsung just announced 1000Hz monitors and 6k monitors

 

[forsakkenSoul]

Good news. Hopefully one of the first games to get this update will be CP 2077, I'm playing it right now and it would be great.

And FG isn't as bad as some people say. Without FG and with DLSS 4 on Performance mode at 4K, in certain parts of Cyberpunk I can barely hit 60 FPS. With FG set to x2, it easily goes past 70 FPS. Sure, there's the added latency issue, but since I play with a DualSense, it's basically unnoticeable.

 

[Superposition]

Improved AA is a big thing, I wanna hug my 5070ti. And of course, our backlog is fucked up again; we'll have to test all those games...

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Well with those upcoming price increases...

 

[DirtInUrEye]

Im gonna be honest, DLSS has gotten so good that I dont even think about it anymore. I pretty much turn on DLSS performance + FG wherever possible.

If you have a modern Nvidia card native res is dead. Transformer model performance mode is superior to 4k native. People can easily test this for themselves, it is immediately obvious and does not require Alex's 200% magnification to see it.

 

[Puscifer]

Guys it need AI cores to do this it's not free…

All RTX cards have AI cores?

 

[Magic Carpet]

I assume the only way to get this is to force Nvidia app Global setting. I've got 1 game Cyberpunk that specifically mentions Transformer model in the settings, and one other (I think it was Avatar Pandora, that mentions it as 'Legacy').

 

[OverHeat]

All RTX cards have AI cores?

Not the same amount

 

[Puscifer]

it's not free because you have to buy a 50 series, genius, for a software update, and for something that will increase the developer lazyness

PCMR supporters are literally the funniest entities on the globe. they really like being f***ed

It's backwards compatible with RTX cards?

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Nvidia keeps winning.

 

[Puscifer]

Not the same amount

Well the benchmarks of 4 last year showed it didn't make a difference and was relative to the power of the card. So what are you trying to say exactly?

 

[geary]

Any news of making frame gen available for 3000 series?

 

[Radical_3d]

 

[Pop]

Come on ultra performance mode, I know they're going to make it look great on a big 4k display with this update.

My card is going to last years with this, which is more of a relief than anything.

DLSS 4 is already black magic

But you're probably right about ultra performance with a 4K display

 

[hinch7]

Honestly still waiting for Reflex 2. Rather have that than more frame gen. Better/improvements to DLSS is good though.

 

[amigastar]

Honestly still waiting for Reflex 2. Rather have that than more frame gen. Better/improvements to DLSS is good though.

Yeah, i want Reflex 2 also. But i like DLSS4.
Also i want that Nvidia Neural Texture Compression badly.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

DLSS 4 is already black magic

But you're probably right about ultra performance with a 4K display

We're not there at the moment, but perhaps that's what this 4.5 update could be bringing. Regular performance mode though, it's wizardry which I now take for granted.

 

[mitch1971]

get ready for 6x the price as well.

 

[SScorpio]

Samsung just announced 1000Hz monitors and 6k monitors

Dang I missed that. It's been thought you need a 1000Hz display to match the motion clarity of CRTs. We're about to find out.

Any news of making frame gen available for 3000 series?

No, there's additional hardware on the RTX 4000 cards that the 3000 cards are missing.

 

[mckmas8808]

Switch 2 only uses the older DLSS CNN upscaling. Not the transformer model introduced in DLSS4, DLSS4.5 won't be used on Switch 2 either.

Switch 2 has a very low amount of tensor cores, which are used for DLSS, it's basically on the lowest rung of DLSS capable GPUs out there. It's slow at upscaling which is why for the titles that do upscale to 4k they have to use the special light-weight DLSS.

Switch 2 only has 48 Tensor Cores, even the RTX 2050 Mobile has more at 64.

WOW!!!!! Thanks for that information.

 

[YCoCg]

But I don't want fake frames, I want enough of a performance boost for real ones.

 

[//DEVIL//]

The frame gen dogpiling is internet brain rot. Says a lot about the peoples shitting on it with "HUR DUR DUR 6X LAG" when they probably don't realize consoles would probably still have more latency than 6x mode by far.

Nvidia inherently had better latency than AMD without even reflex

Spoiler

Reflex is making it leagues better than consoles in general. If framegen latency is unacceptable then consoles are VERY unacceptable.

What's sad that a PS5 wireless controller to the console has more latency than Nvidia with frame gen on ( or about the same range but last time I checked they were super close in milliseconds. But kids gotta be kids. Nothing to see here. You can't really educate idiots that don't want to learn bud.

 

[//DEVIL//]

The 6000 series should see a legit generational uplift since they will be updating the node.

It's possible. But the change in nod this time won't be as significant an uplift like 3 to 4 series sadly. Just the way the NM is as it gets smaller.

However. Yes there should be at least 30 to 50 uplift.

But knowing Nvidia? It's gonna be 35% to 40% uplift with 24gb instead of 32 for the 6090 due to memory.

Performance-wise, I don't want more than a 4090 really. Games are running perfectly on that card. I have a 5090, which is more than enough. I have no interest in paying Nvidia 2500$ imaginary msrp for 6090 that will actually be a 4000$ at retail. I am done.

The only way I see this is happening is if the 5000 series actually sky rocket in price, then I'll sell my card for profit and be a peasant on consoles till the next generation. And use a spare cheap GPU to hold me till then

 

[StereoVsn]

Improvements to image quality in the upscaler is great.
But 6X frame generation is just stupid.

6X Frame Gen is going to be perfect for "new" 5060 Lite (aka 3060)!

 

[cHinzo]

It's possible . But the change in nod this time won't be as significant uplift like 3 to 4 series sadly. Just the way the NM is as it gets smaller.

However . Yes there should be at least 30 to 50 uplift.

But knowing Nvidia ? It's gonna be 35% to 40% uplift with 24gb instead of 32 for the 6090 due to memory.

Performance wise I don't want more than a 4090 really. Games are running perfectly on that card. I have a 5090 which is more than enough. I have no interest in paying Nvidia 2500$ imaginary msrp for 6090 that will actually be a 4000$ at retail. I am done .

The only way I see this is happening is if the 500p series actually sky rocket in price then I'll sell my card for profit and be a peasant on consoles till the next generation. And use a spare cheap GPU to hold me till then

Gonna be 35%-40% uplift with a 35%-40% price increase