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It's absurd and not thought through very well, imo. If the US annexed Canada, the Republican party would never win another Presidential election. The political shift would be huge.
I hope you're paying close attention to these developments, Topher. His first term was "calm" because he was still surrounded by rational advisors who kept him in check from doing anything overly rash. Back then, the whole mockery with the "TDS" meme might've had some ground and validity.

This... this is different.

The fact that he adopted Putin's Siloviki-style leadership where his closest people swore their loyalty and oath to him should have some people questioning some things.
 
I hope you're paying close attention to these developments, Topher. His first term was "calm" because he was still surrounded by rational advisors who kept him in check from doing anything overly rash. Back then, the whole mockery with the "TDS" meme might've had some ground and validity.

This... this is different.

The fact that he adopted Putin's Siloviki-style leadership where his closest people swore their loyalty and oath to him should have some people questioning some things.

Where are you getting this sworn oath to Trump by cabinet members?
 
Where are you getting this sworn oath to Trump by cabinet members?
Apologies, I might have to back pedal the "sworn oath" part, since I can't find an immediate source to back it up. I still stand by the (personal) loyalty part which I think in itself is a cause for concern.
 
Apologies, I might have to back pedal the "sworn oath" part, since I can't find an immediate source to back it up. I still stand by the (personal) loyalty part which I think in itself is a cause for concern.

Most cabinet members have loyalty to the president. That's nothing new. Their sworn oath is to the Constitution. To further answer your previous question, yeah.....I keep a close eye on what Trump does, but I put very little stock in what he says. I don't trust the man as far as I can throw him so I find myself looking sideways at his words on a regular basis.
 
A good example of this is how the USA declared Nato's Article 5, the only country to have ever done it, to invade Iraq, on what everyone knew was false pretenses and still most Nato countries went along with it.
Article 5 was invoked in response to the 9/11 attacks (Afghanistan), not for the invasion of Iraq.

Reluctance to join the US in significant non-defensive military adventures in future would mostly be a result of how badly these ones went.
 
Article 5 was invoked in response to the 9/11 attacks (Afghanistan), not for the invasion of Iraq.

Reluctance to join the US in significant non-defensive military adventures in future would mostly be a result of how badly these ones went.

You are correct. It was for Afghanistan.
Still, that reinforces the idea of the political capital the USA had, that they could convince so many allies to join in the Iraq war.
 
A good example of this is how the USA declared Nato's Article 5, the only country to have ever done it, to invade Iraq, on what everyone knew was false pretenses and still most Nato countries went along with it.
You are saying as if those countries decided to to do that out "power of friendship". Just elites with common interests. Even then people were crying about USA meddling in the middle east. I think there was even carricatures compating Bush to a roman emperor.
 
Apologies, I might have to back pedal the "sworn oath" part, since I can't find an immediate source to back it up. I still stand by the (personal) loyalty part which I think in itself is a cause for concern.
it was probably done in private whilst sacrificing a goat or something, you only have to look at who he sent to "broker" a peace deal with Russia, Steve Witkoff one of his best mates and real estate business partner.. a complete fucking nobody with no geopolitical experience whatsoever gets sent over to "discuss" peace terms with the bloody KGB lol you couldn't make it up, its so farcical, could you goto the Kremlin surrounded by experienced KGB trained and wisened politicians to discuss terms? lol so yes, the orange monkey has completely surrounded himself with yes men loyal only to him
 
The real question would be: why is there only 2 major political party in the US in general and not way more, representing the almost 400 million people ?
No the real question is why even have a party system? The founders did not want political parties because of exactly where we are now.
 
Quick jump to a slippery slope about a Greenland or Canada takeover because you don't actually want to defend the fact that Trump ousted an unelected communist dictator who was starving his own people.

I'm sure his Cuban guards were eating good though. Maduro couldn't even trust his own people to guard him so he outsourced some Cuban mercenaries. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Apologies, I might have to back pedal the "sworn oath" part, since I can't find an immediate source to back it up. I still stand by the (personal) loyalty part which I think in itself is a cause for concern.

I'm concerned with this for any government I've supported, and it always happens. Loyalty to the leader because it's just a career path for most politicians
 
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A good example of this is how the USA declared Nato's Article 5, the only country to have ever done it, to invade Iraq, on what everyone knew was false pretenses and still most Nato countries went along with it.
It was the NATO council that invoked Article 5, not the US. They wanted to remain relevant in the post Cold War era while the US did not want to involve a bunch of small countries into their operation.
General Frank allegedly said "I don't have the time to become an expert on the Danish Air Force".

In the end, NATO did some patrols far away from Afghanistan. For an expedition to a far away land NATO does not offer much extra capabilities compared to the added complexity in dealing with many different armies and political backgrounds.
 
Quick jump to a slippery slope about a Greenland or Canada takeover because you don't actually want to defend the fact that Trump ousted an unelected communist dictator who was starving his own people.

I'm sure his Cuban guards were eating good though. Maduro couldn't even trust his own people to guard him so he outsourced some Cuban mercenaries. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Huh? Trump and his cabinet are the ones yapping about Greenland. As if invading Greenland wouldn't be an utter disaster for everyone other than China and Russia.

I'm not going to even entertain Canada, Greenland has a remote possibility of actually happening, invading Canada is not something that will happen.
 
The common enemy is Russia, and has been for almost a century, and very openly.
Somehow, Trump doesn't understand this.
Agree but what's the endgame that doesn't include decades long wars, nuclear war, or ww3?
The only way I see to legitimately taking Russia out is by destroying their economy. The world would need very cheap oil for a period of time for that to happen.
 
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That is what they use to control your mind, Russia Russia Russia.

No. Russia and the USSR was truly an enemy. And still is.
And there are plenty of historical facts to prove it.
To this day, you can see Russian propaganda denouncing the USA.
Russian media in on fire right now, denouncing the USA for the capture of Maduro.
 
Quick jump to a slippery slope about a Greenland or Canada takeover because you don't actually want to defend the fact that Trump ousted an unelected communist dictator who was starving his own people.

I'm sure his Cuban guards were eating good though. Maduro couldn't even trust his own people to guard him so he outsourced some Cuban mercenaries. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
The issue with the slippery slope is international law. You can't just go there and take the guy and put him in a trial in your own country.

They did that with Saddam Hussein, which was not really glorious back then, and the aftermath wasn't better either. So to do it again is at best terrible, at worst creating instability among the world. If they can do that, it's like they can do whatever they want to (at least that's the message sent), that's why the whole diplomacy world is like "you can't do that".
 
Agree but what's the endgame that doesn't include decades long wars, nuclear war, or ww3?
The only way I see to legitimately taking Russia out is by destroying their economy. The world would need very cheap oil for a period of time for that to happen.

Did you know that when the USSR collapse, Europe and the USA provided economical aid for Russia not to completely collapse into a failed state.
That was a serious mistake, as Russia only used that opportunity to rearm itself and attack it's neighbors again.
 
No. Russia and the USSR was truly an enemy. And still is.
And there are plenty of historical facts to prove it.
To this day, you can see Russian propaganda denouncing the USA.
Russian media in on fire right now, denouncing the USA for the capture of Maduro.

If that is what you want to believe, it's working.
 
The common enemy is Russia, and has been for almost a century, and very openly.
Somehow, Trump doesn't understand this.


He knows, but that can't be dealt with thanks to Oppenheimer and his buddies. The way the talks about Ukraine have developed clearly shows that Trump only considers Putin as a useful party to negotiate with. And he's unfortunately right.

Trump believes in a world with three superpowers, (USA, China, Russia) each with their own sphere of influence. It's pretty obvious the others are also fine with this arrangement. The UE will break apart within 10-15 years and we will need help against the true global menace, islamist invasion.

If I were the POTUS I'd take this opportunity to start up a Pan-Am alliance, very much like NATO, with South American partners. That relationship should be different from the atrocious policy of the past century and ensure those nations prosper so they see USA as a real ally, not an abusing master. That will keep them away from Russia or China's spheres of influence. Brute force is not the way.
 
Ending the war in Ukraine would be directly against the wishes of the Deep State. There is little point in sending some Deep State career politician to try to negotiate a peaceful resolution to a war the Deep State wants to keep going as long as possible.
 
If I were the POTUS I'd take this opportunity to start up a Pan-Am alliance, very much like NATO, with South American partners. That relationship should be different from the atrocious policy of the past century and ensure those nations prosper so they see USA as a real ally, not an abusing master. That will keep them away from Russia or China's spheres of influence. Brute force is not the way.

I dig this idea, but at the same time, you DO need to use force on brutal dictators sometimes. Unfortunately, deposing or propping up dictators has been a coin flip for the better part of a century now.
 
Did you know that when the USSR collapse, Europe and the USA provided economical aid for Russia not to completely collapse into a failed state.
That was a serious mistake, as Russia only used that opportunity to rearm itself and attack it's neighbors again.
I thought that decision at that time was to prevent nukes from falling into the hands of a rogue state? I doubt it was solely for hearts/minds sake.
 
I thought that decision at that time was to prevent nukes from falling into the hands of a rogue state? I doubt it was solely for hearts/minds sake.

It was in part. But also to try to bring Russia into a democratic state. To reintegrate it into the normal world, after 80 years of authoritarian communism.
 
The common enemy is Russia, and has been for almost a century, and very openly.
Somehow, Trump doesn't understand this.
The common enemy is communism, always has been, not a nation specifically, Russia's government couldn't tell you with a straight face they live worse now than they used to under that awful state ideology
 
The common enemy is communism, always has been, not a nation specifically, Russia's government couldn't tell you with a straight face they live worse now than they used to under that awful state ideology

Remember that Putin was a KGB agent. And often talks about how "the fall of the USSR was the greatest tragedy".
He is not a communist, but he is an Imperialist and a man that lived and still lives in the Cold War era mentality.
It was and is, very common for him to denounce the USA and Europe, publicly and openly.
 
The issue with the slippery slope is international law. You can't just go there and take the guy and put him in a trial in your own country.

They did that with Saddam Hussein, which was not really glorious back then, and the aftermath wasn't better either. So to do it again is at best terrible, at worst creating instability among the world. If they can do that, it's like they can do whatever they want to (at least that's the message sent), that's why the whole diplomacy world is like "you can't do that".
We can if said country is a known threat, and we did the same thing in 1989 with the Panamanian leader Manuel Noreiga. Except we used troops on the ground to accomplish his arrest.
 
You have no idea what a dictator is.
I mean we're not that far. And I studied law so I see some patterns.

- Ruling through executive orders
- Congress having less and less power
- Reduced number of people in the government
- Wanting to control the presss by telling them what to say / the media being labeled as the ennemy when not agreeing with the government
- Not respecting the constitution
- No fair-due process/trial for some categories of people
- etc.

I saw these situations in countries like Hungary, Turkey, of course Russia, and we have far-right european politicians promissing to do the stuff listed above for "a beter governance of the country" and "take the country back".

Is the US in this situation ? Not quite there, but some in the administration are trying really hard to get there the fastest possible.

I don't think people back then thought they were in dictatorships. People in Russia, Hungary or Turkey truly believe they are in a democracy since they vote.
 
No. Russia and the USSR was truly an enemy. And still is.
And there are plenty of historical facts to prove it.
To this day, you can see Russian propaganda denouncing the USA.
Russian media in on fire right now, denouncing the USA for the capture of Maduro.
Sure. The west also has their own propoganda. Don't trust anything you see on "corporate" media. Corporate means it's state controlled.
 
Sure. The west also has their own propoganda. Don't trust anything you see on "corporate" media. Corporate means it's state controlled.

Of course we have. There are no saints in this story.
But the USA an Europe tried to reintegrate Russia into the free world. Russia choose the path of war and aggression, again.
FFS, there is a movement in Russia that demands the USA to return Alaska or Russia will take it back.
 
I mean we're not that far. And I studied law so I see some patterns.

- Ruling through executive orders
- Congress having less and less power
- Reduced number of people in the government
- Wanting to control the presss by telling them what to say / the media being labeled as the ennemy when not agreeing with the government
- Not respecting the constitution
- No fair-due process/trial for some categories of people
- etc.

I saw these situations in countries like Hungary, Turkey, of course Russia, and we have far-right european politicians promissing to do the stuff listed above for "a beter governance of the country" and "take the country back".

Is the US in this situation ? Not quite there, but some in the administration are trying really hard to get there the fastest possible.

I don't think people back then thought they were in dictatorships. People in Russia, Hungary or Turkey truly believe they are in a democracy since they vote.
All those points were happening before Trump and the last administration censored the people, not the press, by threatening tech companies to do their censorship.
 
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Only a blind can't see the sun and only a fool pretends not to see it.
Maybe you are Russian and trying to pretend it was all a minor misunderstandment.

You have to understand most of these people are not ready to be unplugged and many of them are so inured so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.

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Ending the war in Ukraine would be directly against the wishes of the Deep State. There is little point in sending some Deep State career politician to try to negotiate a peaceful resolution to a war the Deep State wants to keep going as long as possible.

Who are the "deep state"?
 
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Finally caught up on this. I'm definitely of mixed feelings. On one hand, I do not want to get involved with nation building and generally prefer isolationism. After 20 years of GWOT I just don't give a shit about the rest of the world anymore. But on the other hand, this was trivially easy and cheap. And if we are going to do this I'm glad it is someplace nearby that will directly benefit us. "Fixing" Venezuela will go a long way towards reducing the amount of people trying to sneak over the border even when administrations change. Also going after the cartels and their suppliers is of course a overall net benefit for everyone except the cartels. And from what I am reading, there is a horde of rare earth minerals that China was trying to get their hands on to further cut these off from the US, which seems like the real reason for this operation. That said they need to cool off about Greenland, that shit is stupid. If it was for sale, sure, but since it is not give up the idea for another generation.
 

Has international law become a tyrant's best friend? Democrats and foreign leaders are claiming that President Trump's arrest of Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro is illegal—at least as international law is interpreted by the reigning complex of professors, NGOs and multilateral bureaucrats.

United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres is "deeply concerned that the rules of international law have not been respected." Joining him are the usual suspects, including safely-out-of-the-fray Europeans, China ("a clear violation") and shameless Russia ("an act of armed aggression"). Our favorite is Hamas's statement condemning the Maduro arrest as a "grave violation of international law" and "assault on the sovereignty of an independent state."

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It would be nice to think we live in a Wilsonian garden where law governs relations among nations. We don't. The closest we've come was in the aftermath of the Cold War, when the U.S. was dominant globally and rallied coalitions to enforce international norms in the first Gulf War and the Balkans. Today rogue regimes are on the march, and international law and the institutions that supposedly uphold it end up protecting the lawbreakers.

It is unwise to junk the whole corpus of international law, which the U.S. did so much to build over the years, but its twisting can no longer be ignored. The rogues of the world break all the rules, only to deploy them against law-abiding democracies as a way to continue in their lawlessness.

The frequent citation concerning Venezuela is Article 2(4) of the U.N. Charter: "All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State." But go a little deeper and the analysis becomes muddy.

First, is the U.S. intervention a violation of Venezuelan sovereignty when the country's legitimate authority consents to it? Edmundo González, elected by the Venezuelan people in 2024, has spoken in support of the operation. The Maduro regime, which stole that election, objects. The bipartisan U.S. position is that Mr. Maduro wasn't the legitimate President.

Mr. Maduro welcomed Hezbollah and used Cuban troops to impose his rule on Venezuela. The regime in Havana says 32 Cubans died defending Mr. Maduro. As our contributor Eugene Kontorovich writes, "It would be odd to read
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2(4) as allowing foreign powers to use troops to prop up an illegitimate, unelected dictator, but not to remove him."

Second, does this qualify as U.S. self-defense against the Venezuelan regime's drug smuggling and use of migration as a weapon? The U.S. also claimed self-defense as grounds to arrest Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega in 1989.


In that instance, a Justice Department opinion by Bill Barr, later the Attorney General, found that "Article 2(4) relates to one of the most fundamentally political questions that faces a nation—when to use force in its international relations." That isn't for a court, unaccountable to the people, to decide.

The herd of instant analysts also claim the U.S. operation will give Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping license in Ukraine and Taiwan. "Think of what Russia and China just learned," Rep. Jim Himes, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation." As if Moscow and Beijing don't already trample international law when it gets in their way.

President Xi isn't waiting on a new legal interpretation to seize Taiwan; that's what his military buildup is for. China has ignored the international ruling against its island grabs in the South China Sea. Vetoes by China and Russia have neutered the U.N. Security Council. The International Criminal Court has become a weapon against the U.S. and Israel when they fight terrorism.

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The only defense against global rogues is the deterrent of Western military force. That force was on display with flawless precision in snatching Mr. Maduro. And the demonstration of U.S. nerve and military prowess will do more than a thousand U.N. resolutions to protect the free world and make Russia, China and Iran think twice.

Liberal internationalism is a moral and political failure if it can't distinguish between the aggression of Russia and China to swallow neighboring democracies and a U.S. military action to arrest a lawless dictator in league with the world's worst actors.
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The common enemy is Russia, and has been for almost a century, and very openly.
Somehow, Trump doesn't understand this.
Russia is an enemy for Europe, not for USA anymore. Russia is not USSR and has trouble projecting power worldwide. In fact leveraging international law is what allows Russia to do anything - "intervening into other countries is bad, but those are mercenaries and not soldiers so it is not us" and such. The sheer inability to seize oil ships (due to international law) also helped them for a long time. Sending drugs using government planes? Everybody is doing that etc etc.

Even in Ukraine, Europe is basically hiding behind USA while was buying Russian oil, whilst crying about USA not doing enough.
 
Did you know that when the USSR collapse, Europe and the USA provided economical aid for Russia not to completely collapse into a failed state.
That was a serious mistake, as Russia only used that opportunity to rearm itself and attack it's neighbors again.
You can't let a nuclear power completely collapse, not one as big as Russia was at the time. The power vacuum would've been devastating for the world.

Sadly, it was a necessary evil for self-preservation.
 
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Russia is an enemy for Europe, not for USA anymore. Russia is not USSR and has trouble projecting power worldwide. In fact leveraging international law is what allows Russia to do anything - "intervening into other countries is bad, but those are mercenaries and not soldiers so it is not us" and such. The sheer inability to seize oil ships (due to international law) also helped them for a long time. Sending drugs using government planes? Everybody is doing that etc etc.

Even in Ukraine, Europe is basically hiding behind USA while was buying Russian oil, whilst crying about USA not doing enough.

Just recently Russian troops were fighting US troops in Syria.
The USA just removed Maduro, an ally of Russia.
And the reason the US wants Greenland is because of the possibility Russia controlling the North Atlantic.
 
And the reason the US wants Greenland is because of the possibility Russia controlling the North Atlantic.
It isn't. The USA already has all the permission it needs to operate militarily in Greenland. Nobody really knows why other than that Trump likes the idea of a country joining the US because they love him so much.
 
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