yamaci17
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who overrides the quality level aside from setting custom resolution percentages though?
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NVIDIA DLSS 4.5 to feature 2nd Gen Transformer model and Dynamic 6x Frame Generation
daninthemix
Banned
I just tested with a global override and I got preset M, even though I was using DLAA and Quality, respectively across 2 games. It looked insanely sharp - for me this is a good thing as it provides ridiculous amounts of 'lean in' detail.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Do not use "latest" in nvidia app anymore. You have to select depending on what quality you expect to run the games.
OR
Im getting confused now. Is K going to be updated to 4.5 as well then or 4.5 will remain just with M and L?
daninthemix
Banned
DLSS swapper can do this. The Nvidia app sortof can as well.
Corporal.Hicks
Banned
Bojji
Gold Member
C, D, E = dlss3
J, K = dlss4
L, M = dlss4.5
Dlss swapper had option to show info about dlss in game.
yamaci17
Member
sharpening is that not that noticeable in expedition and alan wake for me
i think horizon comparisons were a bit unfair as that game already has a weird sharpening behavior when using upscalers that you cannot disable.
Luipadre
Member
I tried 3 games, all 3 looked awful with it
Windom Earle
Banned
The only game I tried so far. Preset M in performance mode with 4k output resolution. My subjective impression is that it is indeed very crisp. I turned off the sharpening filter completely and it is still super sharp. But yeah, looking forward to more in-depth comparisons.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
So the other post was bs about M only being for performance. Its recommend for all quality modes, assuming you're ok with the 10 fps hit or so. For a sec I thought K was also getting updated and would remain for quality/balanced/dlaa, m perf, l ultraperf, but I guess its clear now.
T4keD0wN
Member
You can check through the nvidia overlay (alt+z for me), just go to statistics and itll be right there once you select custom info, press show more and scroll all the way down.
Gonzito
Gold Member
Wow I didn't know this. Thanks my man
Loxus
Member
And how is the internet now?
It's still here, much more widespread and full of fees, subscriptions and ads.
If you are comparing AI to the Dot-com bubble, do the full picture. All of the tech bubble bursts (social media, rail road, mobile apps, renewable energy, etc.) came back much more widespread, so if you hate AI now, something that is in high demand, just imagine how bad it will be after the AI bubble bursts when a few companies monopolize in industry.
Wishing for a AI bubble burst that would fuck us up even more is so stupid.
DirtInUrEye
Banned
Yeah sorry about that, it has since been clarified that L is just for ultra performance mode and M is for all - which was the original understanding this morning but some incorrect information was bubbling to the top about it by midday which has since been invalidated.
nemiroff
Gold Member
I'm in the https://github.com/NVIDIA/DLSS/blob/main/doc/DLSS_Programming_Guide_Release.pdf and it appears 4.5 isn't used for the whole range of performance modes:
Edit: Had the post in my draft.. I see it's already being discussed...
| DLSS Mode | Default AI Preset | Version | Key Characteristics |
| Quality | Preset K | 4.0 | Standard high-quality model; provides excellent image stability. |
| Balanced | Preset K | 4.0 | Shares the Quality model to maintain fine detail at medium scaling. |
| Performance | Preset M | 4.5 | New for 4.5: Optimized for speed while matching the quality of newer architectures. |
| Ultra-Performance | Preset L | 4.5 | New for 4.5: Delivers the sharpest, most stable image with the least ghosting. |
| DLAA | Preset K | 4.0 | Uses the high-stability model for native-resolution anti-aliasing. |
Edit: Had the post in my draft.. I see it's already being discussed...
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funking giblet
Member
I feel you didn't understand my post.
DeaconOfTheDank
Member
Well that settles it for me - DLSS4.5 (v310.5.0 preset L) is leaps and bounds more temporally stable compared to the first gen transformer model (v310.4.0 preset K). Booted up Jedi: Survivor where the issue was especially egregious in the Fogged Expanse (light-saber trail leaves artifacts that almost looks like horrible gray-banding and/or low-resolution fog volumes) and it's been all but eliminated.
Looking incredibly promising so far, and the boost to visual fidelity means I might finally bump things down from Quality for Performance to offset some of the potential performance loss. Gonna give Ghost of Tsushima try later after work since the issues with the transformer model were immediately obvious on the title screen with wind trails and pampas grass leaving artifacts.
Looking incredibly promising so far, and the boost to visual fidelity means I might finally bump things down from Quality for Performance to offset some of the potential performance loss. Gonna give Ghost of Tsushima try later after work since the issues with the transformer model were immediately obvious on the title screen with wind trails and pampas grass leaving artifacts.
xVodevil
Member
I was testing with this during the afternoon quite a bit and got pretty confused why it was not working in Indana Jones, DOOM DA or SW Outlaws
Well as it turns out if you have Ray Reconstruction enabled it will replace the basic DLSS and I couldn't test the new stuff. Not sure though if this is intended or not that they can't work together.
Anchovie123
Member
I dont think it was ever said that preset M can only be used for performance mode just that it was clear that performance mode was the best thing to match it with. From everything ive read it seems Performance (M) is superior in image quality to Quality/Balanced (Preset K) So using (M) with Quality/Balanced/DLAA seems to be a waste of performance.
Also this image shows that performance mode has the least % loss (Avatar 5060 Ti 1440p)
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
DLSS is getting so good that maybe a 3060 with 12 gig VRAM is actually viable in 2026 at 1440p
ozz ex machina
Member
I just upgraded from a 3080. You are insane to think thats viable unless an unstable 60 is your happy place. Which means you should just be playing on a console.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Nvidia's terminology for this couldn't be more confusing
C,D,E = CNN
J,K = Transformer v1 (FP16)
L,M = Transformer v2 (FP8)
RTX 20 and 30 have relatively poor FP8 performance and should stick with CNN or Transformer v1
RTX 40 and 50 have good FP8 performance and should use Transformer v2
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
I dont think it was ever said that preset M can only be used for performance mode just that it was clear that performance mode was the best thing to match it with. From everything ive read it seems Performance (M) is superior in image quality to Quality/Balanced (Preset K) So using (M) with Quality/Balanced/DLAA seems to be a waste of performance.
Also this image shows that performance mode has the least % loss (Avatar 5060 Ti 1440p)
Would need to see a video m performance vs k quality to judge.
Killer8
Member
Based on the performance losses, this is more of a quality upgrade for the people who have some framerate headroom to spare. A less heavy DLAA imo. The remit of DLSS is to be able to run games at lower resolution and therefore higher framerates. So in that sense what we already had with DLSS4 was better if performance was the main consideration.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
3080 with 8 gig VRAM?
MisterXDTV
Member
So much for "complete support of every RTX card" 
If you have 20 or 30 Series you have to drop DLSS to Perfomance mode instead of DLAA or Quality mode to avoid the performance penalty, basically negating the advantages of DLSS 4.5
But great marketing scam NVIDIA
This way they won't get the backlash that AMD got with FSR4 RDNA 2/3 support
If you have 20 or 30 Series you have to drop DLSS to Perfomance mode instead of DLAA or Quality mode to avoid the performance penalty, basically negating the advantages of DLSS 4.5
But great marketing scam NVIDIA
This way they won't get the backlash that AMD got with FSR4 RDNA 2/3 support
geary
Member
So basically you get better visuals and same performance or a small boost if you go from Quality to Balanced or Performance.I dont think it was ever said that preset M can only be used for performance mode just that it was clear that performance mode was the best thing to match it with. From everything ive read it seems Performance (M) is superior in image quality to Quality/Balanced (Preset K) So using (M) with Quality/Balanced/DLAA seems to be a waste of performance.
Also this image shows that performance mode has the least % loss (Avatar 5060 Ti 1440p)
Bojji
Gold Member
So much for "complete support of every RTX card"
If you have 20 or 30 Series you have to drop DLSS to Perfomance mode instead of DLAA or Quality mode to avoid the performance penalty, basically negating the advantages of DLSS 4.5
But great marketing scam NVIDIA
This way they won't get the backlash that AMD got with FSR4 RDNA 2/3 support
No one forces anyone to use 4.5.
2 and 3 series users have very performant super resolution that is better than anything else from competition - DLSS 4.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Yea the info circulating seemed to be wrong, M is for all quality settings except ultra performance.
T4keD0wN
Member
IDK if thats right, but it makes sense based on what the on-screen indicators report when using it say. They did upgrade RR dll too tho, but god knows what that actually entails and if the changes include the antialiasing(upscaling) model and how the logic there works.
(btw if you use DLSS swapper to change the files it wont show up in the nvidia overlay too since theres nothing to override, but thats obvious)
I did try it out in Expedition 33 while keeping RR on 4.5 version and only changing fg+upscaling, couldnt really find a difference in image quality.
Then i did try it out in Doom Dark Ages (i dont use RR there) and Anno 117, there i could tell a difference with M override working, so i think youre right and RR does indeed invalidates upscaling, but not framegen.
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DirtInUrEye
Banned
What is your output res?
yamaci17
Member
Luipadre
Member
Looks like 4.5 balanced is the same fps as 4.0 quality and its not that oversharpened as 4.5 quality, so if i want to use 4.5 at 1440p, i should use balanced instead of quality here
xVodevil
Member
IDK if thats right, but it makes sense based on what the on-screen indicators report when using it say. They did upgrade RR dll too tho, but god knows what that actually entails.
(btw if you use DLSS swapper to change the files it wont show up in the nvidia overlay too since theres nothing to override, but thats obvious)
I did try it out in Expedition 33 while keeping RR on 4.5 version and only changing fg+upscaling, couldnt really find a difference in image quality.
Then i did try it out in Doom Dark Ages (i dont use RR there) and Anno 117, there i could tell a difference with M override working, so i think youre right and RR does indeed invalidates upscaling, but not framegen.
Yes the other games I've tried worked no problem with the basic NV app override, maybe I had to reset the override for one game to save it correctly in the app but if there is no RR they all show that M profile is working.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Quick comparison I did with Avatar (DLSS 4.5 Preset M)
Ray Reconstruction has to be off right now with DLSS 4.5, as the RR dll hasn't been updated to 4.5 yet. So ignore the water differences as that's where RR kicks in.
Outside of that, DLSS 4.5 is definitely noticeably clearer and a marked improvement over DLSS 4.0.
Ray Reconstruction has to be off right now with DLSS 4.5, as the RR dll hasn't been updated to 4.5 yet. So ignore the water differences as that's where RR kicks in.
Outside of that, DLSS 4.5 is definitely noticeably clearer and a marked improvement over DLSS 4.0.
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DirtInUrEye
Banned
Which GPU are you on? Typical, I've just recently honed in on my preferred optimised settings for this game just as they updated the RR, which have enabled. But I dread to think what the performance hit will be after they update 4.5 to work with it. I think I'll probably end up staying with the already excellent 4.0 in that game especially.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
5090
Anchovie123
Member
GeForce Head of Global PR
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
AI has good applications. I like it for translations.
Unfortunately there are greedy people flooding the internet with AI slop.
Wolzard
Member
So much for "complete support of every RTX card"
If you have 20 or 30 Series you have to drop DLSS to Perfomance mode instead of DLAA or Quality mode to avoid the performance penalty, basically negating the advantages of DLSS 4.5
But great marketing scam NVIDIA
This way they won't get the backlash that AMD got with FSR4 RDNA 2/3 support
At least you have a choice, it's up to you to look at each game individually to see if it's worth using. AMD simply took that freedom away from gamers with older graphics cards. It's already been proven that the leaked FSR4 model works very well on RDNA 2 and 3, especially on high-end cards.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
GeForce Head of Global PR
And here's another Nvidia employee disagreeing with the above Nvidia employee:
Gotta love when Nvidia themselves don't even agree on the best way to use their tech
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Seems that DLSS 4.5 is a nice improvement but only worth it on 5000 series cards. Performance hit is too large on 3000/4000 cards.
Luipadre
Member
lmao. Just give me the same image quality and sharpness as DLSS4 right now at 1440p quality, but without the ghosting. Im gonna avoid this for now, because K model looks much better to me minus the ghosting ofc as far as image quality and motion clarity goesAnd here's another Nvidia employee disagreeing with the above Nvidia employee:
Gotta love when Nvidia themselves don't even agree on the best way to use their tech
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Corporal.Hicks
Banned
The sharpening is stronger and there's less ghosting, but the performance cost on my RTX 4080S is quite significant with DLAA (21.8%), and also DLSSQ (12%). However, the DLSSP (50% res scale) is worth using, as it has the same framerate.
TAA Native - 69 fps
DLAA 4.0 - 64 fps
DLAA 4.5 - 50 fps (21.8% relative difference)
DLSSQ 4.0 - 91 fps
DLSSQ 4.5 - 80 fps (12% relative difference)
DLSS Performance 4.0 - 103 fps
DLSS Performance 4.5 - 103 fps (the same performance as DLSS 4.0)
DLSS Ultra Performance 4.5 - 127 fps
DLSS Ultra Performance 4.0 - 122fps
TAA Native - 69 fps
DLAA 4.0 - 64 fps
DLAA 4.5 - 50 fps (21.8% relative difference)
DLSSQ 4.0 - 91 fps
DLSSQ 4.5 - 80 fps (12% relative difference)
DLSS Performance 4.0 - 103 fps
DLSS Performance 4.5 - 103 fps (the same performance as DLSS 4.0)
DLSS Ultra Performance 4.5 - 127 fps
DLSS Ultra Performance 4.0 - 122fps
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DirtInUrEye
Banned
Quick question: does the new driver need to be installed for this to work?
Luipadre
Member
Both new driver and beta nvidia app