All it takes is for someone to play Tetris Effect to realize what a genius he is. He's a sleeping giant.
Lumines and Meteos were more "puzzle game first" games, with Mizuguchi's insanity second. (Though I do like both games)
Yes, Atlus were firing on all cyclinders.
Lumines and Meteos are appetizers to the full meals of EEE, Child of Eden, and Rez.
You can replace every single game there with their new current versions or replacement arcade racers and the variety would be the same. Gaming hasn't changed, you have.
You do realize these franchises at the time were new (not older than 10 years), right?
Not really because how can FF 10, GT 4, MGS 3, RE 4, Burnout 3... etc be new franchises at the time? Sure they were younger but these games were not new franchises.
True but you were talking about variety. You have 2 GTAs there and two MGS. Sure GTA takes years and years now but is it less variety to have GTA5 and GTA6 spaced out like that?
I agree, not really arguing against that. Just that you can replace that top 15 with a top 15 this gen and you will lose no "variety", in fact I think the variety is more now.
Didn't I say the top 15 was subjective?
Yeah, there's a huge difference between AAs during the PS1/PS2 eras, and modern indies.
People would just go "hurr durr third-party exclusives don't count" lol. See 2024 with FF7 Rebirth, Silent Hill 2 2024, Granblue Fantasy: Relink, etc.
Wrong, many of those games in the 2001 lineup pic were exclusive at the time.
I'm just going to leave it there. All lists are subjective. It's clear from your username you have a thing for older 'classics' and I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise.
SH2 was already out on Xbox less than 3 months in, in the same year lol.Wrong, many of those games in the 2001 lineup pic were exclusive at the time.
The image explicitly states they were, too.
Holding them hostage.
SH2 was already out on Xbox less than 3 months in the dame year lol.
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That's how I played RE4, shut your damn mouth.
The GC version was the definitive one, I think.
Yeah, the RE4 HD project version on PC or the GC version are the best ways to play the OG.
Arcade racers were certainly bigger back then (as were platformers) in terms of popularity but I wouldn't say there is a shortage of variety today either. You have several Forza Horizons, The Crew, NFS: Unbound, Wreckreation, Trackmania, Test Drive Unlimited.
I don't think you realize how miniscule that arcade racing list you posted is, compared to how many racing options there were back then.
Remove Okami, Ico (walking simulators) and the Metal Gear games (painful camera and controls)This is the PS2, and yes a top 15 list is subjective.
However, the sheer variety, impact, and quality of this list on a single console is unmatched.
Not even close.This is the PS2, and yes a top 15 list is subjective.
However, the sheer variety, impact, and quality of this list on a single console is unmatched.
An indie studio making a sports game on the level of SSX3 or NBA Street would be historic.
OK?
Last couple of years would be tough but you know this. I'd say it might be difficult to name 5 within 2 years from back then even.
It's obviously not the entire list, there are more like Horizon Chase 2 and Tokyo Xtreme. I just don't think the variety was that much more back then especially when most of them were sequels of the same game in quick succession.
I'm not posting to disagree, but some of the modern equivalents are current gen remakes of the games listed and that made me laugh. Replace RE4 with RE4, SH2 with SH2, and MGS3 with MGSD.
Exactly, though there are new RE games despite the RE4 remake also existing so only 2 remakes there. My point was though most games had other similar games which stand on their own. Take Alan Wake 2 as a new horror game in addition to SH2 remake for example. Take games like FH now. new games in a similar genre. MGS became less popular and didn't continue after MGSV (still playable now mind) but we got other stealth games like AC which became more popular post-PS2. Depending on what Physint is we might get a new take on it again. You can't fault the fact that Kojima also went on to create something pretty unique in Death Stranding further adding to the "variety" of today vs the past. The reason we get remakes like MGSD and SH2 is because of people who have this nostalgia for the past. There are many of them but even they are catered to with sequels and remakes. Fortnite/Minecraft/Roblox/Rocket League etc was also pretty impactful but again that is going to become the classics for the kids of today even if me and you might hate those new impactful games of today.
I feel this whole thread is like friendly fire fight between ur trusty bros, i love all games u and other guys posted, and objectively they are at least solid 9/10 but ppl rate games subjectively aka game will be close to perfect 10/10 to me and only a 9/10 to u yet we both gonna agree its a mustplay top of the top game
Yeah, it's a good effort but shows how important it is to have a team with a budget and talent, to develop something like an SSX game.
Trouble was never the intent of this post, good games still get released.
Taken for example, the N64.
But there is no homogenization. I disagree with that idea that games today are identical in how they play because they simply aren't. The variety is there if you look. Tell me what plays like Death Stranding? What plays like Teardown? What plays like Bloodborne? What plays like Dreams? What plays like Gravity Rush 2? What from that era plays like Minecraft even? You can't say there is homogenization while ignoring the unique games from PS4/PS5 especially by listing a bunch of PS2 sequels. Even during PS4/PS5 you had your continued sequels to those games like The Last Guardian, MGS5, GTA5. The other weird thing is that Silent Hill was made by Konami based on the popularity of Capcoms Resident Evil. They're about as homogeneous as the games you're claiming are today.
