Dr. Samuel Hayden
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Destiny 2: Shadow and Order is undergoing large revisions and will be delayed.
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diffusionx
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$3.6 billion
Moridianae
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This is kinda where I'm at. Sure, it's had more than its fair share of mishaps, but 10k+(not including consoles) like 12 years later? I mean..
ShadyAcshuns
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ByWatterson
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Alternate take: They're very confident Marathon is a hit.
or more likely sony is demanding they have all hands on deck in the run up to next month's Marathon launch, and post launch they can get back to beating the dead horse.
UniformDeliverance
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I jumped off after Final Shape. Wrapped up the story good enough for me, don't really see any reason to enter the Disney+ Marvel TV show continuation of the IP.
Call me if Destiny 3 happens.
Call me if Destiny 3 happens.
ChorizoPicozo
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And who is the clown saying that GaaS can exist in unlimited supply? ..Dont answer, please.
While Bungie is paying shills, aka Glazers, to keep "gooning" for Marathon online, the Destiny community has been left to rot. It's clear that Bungie is not able to sustain both games. Some people speculate that after Marathon releases, a new wave of layoffs will hit the studio regardless of its performance.
Marathon is the most important game of the last 5 years...for all the wrong reasons.
While Bungie is paying shills, aka Glazers, to keep "gooning" for Marathon online, the Destiny community has been left to rot. It's clear that Bungie is not able to sustain both games. Some people speculate that after Marathon releases, a new wave of layoffs will hit the studio regardless of its performance.
Marathon is the most important game of the last 5 years...for all the wrong reasons.
MiguelItUp
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Exactly. A lot of people here WANT Bungie to fail and close. Plenty have made that abundantly clear. But it's delayed, not indefinitely postponed. I wouldn't be surprised if they're just wanting to make sure this one lands better than the previous ones that didn't. Can't really blame them.
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Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
The key mistake was not pivoting D2 into D3.
D3 should've been being worked on 2-3 years prior to finishing the main story for D2. Then announce the will have a year and a half of D2 content to bridge towards D3. This essentially would've been a 4-5 year dev cycle to get to D3 if done right.
Starting work on D3 now? Fools errand. You're asking marathon to financially carry you for 4+ years to make it to D3.
If they make it to D3 it'll be a very stripped down bare bones experience that will piss off D1&2 players and for sure destroy the studio.
Marathon im hyped for but I don't see it being big enough to accomplish this.
D3 should've been being worked on 2-3 years prior to finishing the main story for D2. Then announce the will have a year and a half of D2 content to bridge towards D3. This essentially would've been a 4-5 year dev cycle to get to D3 if done right.
Starting work on D3 now? Fools errand. You're asking marathon to financially carry you for 4+ years to make it to D3.
If they make it to D3 it'll be a very stripped down bare bones experience that will piss off D1&2 players and for sure destroy the studio.
Marathon im hyped for but I don't see it being big enough to accomplish this.
this 1000%
Shubh_C63
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Someone argued there is no such thing as permanent franchise damage. Destiny 2 for the first time didn't make the top 12 revenue rank in steam in 2025.
I still am a believer of Bungie though. When their back is against the wall they always pulls through. Which makes failures even more infuriating.
I still am a believer of Bungie though. When their back is against the wall they always pulls through. Which makes failures even more infuriating.
Holammer
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Trending downwards. Charging money for expansions splits the player base. Compare with Warframe which soldiers on with a more stable 60-80k average and free content updates.
(and it released 2013, before Destiny)
ByWatterson
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Warframe is just that game which keeps on giving. The devs are awesome!Trending downwards. Charging money for expansions splits the player base. Compare with Warframe which soldiers on with a more stable 60-80k average and free content updates.
(and it released 2013, before Destiny)
ChorizoPicozo
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Marathon doesn't even have the appeal to be bigger than Destiny (aesthetically). This delay is not only due to weird things going on behind the scenes, but also to give Marathon the biggest chance of success in the hope that Destiny players jump in....but a lot of them are piiiiissed.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Do you guys not have Marathon?
anyone who has ever made Bungie be Bungie left the company a long time ago./
LectureMaster
Or is it just one of Adam's balls in my throat?
Cert.in.Death
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When does Destiny 2 rewind its name to go back to just Destiny?
Holammer
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Saber
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As funny as this is, one can only think that either Marathon is a hit or Bungie is doomed.
DarkShadowXI
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As someone that bought Destiny and Destiny 2 on day one and religiously played this with a group of friends for many years…
I honestly forgot this game existed.
I honestly forgot this game existed.
Tiago Rodrigues
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11k for a paid multiplayer game that released in 9 years ago is bad since when? Are games supposed to go on forever? lol
Idleyes
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This is the chart where don't buy the dip makes sense.
Angry_Megalodon
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Who cares? They are focused on important stuff.
StreetsofBeige
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Of course they are going to delay it. It was scheduled for March 3. Marathon is March 5.
Need to give Marathon as much breathing room as possible to survive.
Need to give Marathon as much breathing room as possible to survive.
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Idleyes
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Bruh, what is so controversial about adding that to character customization? I'm tired of booting up a game and realizing the only way to make myself is "Default Straight-Hair Caribbean NPC #3." Let me recreate my actual head top, not some tourism brochure version of Jamaica.
MiguelItUp
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Pretty much my perspective. Plus it's not uncommon for the spikes in traffic to happen when new content releases and then it slowly drops off until another new content release drops. More players continuing to drop off over the years? Well, yeah, the game is getting older and some players move on. You can't expect every single player to remain or return 8+ years later, lol.
Folks that don't get it will just say it's woke, lol.
Bruh, what is so controversial about adding that to character customization? I'm tired of booting up a game and realizing the only way to make myself is "Default Straight-Hair Caribbean NPC #3." Let me recreate my actual head top, not some tourism brochure version of Jamaica.
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Durin
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I love how it starts out that they began research after the George Floyd event trying to attach sociopolitical significance...even though all I can gather from the interview is they created a more robust hair generator for more granular aspects of dense curly haircut variations. If it actually performs better and is easy to use, guess it's something since they used federal grant money for most of it.
My favorite quote:
Literally just a lie...straight hair was the default because compute-wise it's the easiest to pull off for digital tools. If you're making a 3d character, having hair card geometry that is fairly straight with less curls means less polygons needed. Texturing straight hair strands brush-wise is less complex because you don't have to blend in as much randomness, density or coiling. Any prominent gaps between strands will require less resolution for the transparency map, and less performance hit for just the brushes in the software. Straight hair is just more predictable and simple to pull off, that's it.
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StreetsofBeige
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What would probably make Black character hair more commonplace and easier to program in gaming to begin with is if devs just made those characters have normal looking hair.
Instead, it can be ridiculous Killmonger or Giant Attitude Afro. Two haircuts you rarely see in real life. But if any gaming companies want to egg on the stereotype using those big styles of course it's harder than short hair or giving the Black guy in a game a shaved head.
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Man, imagine not preparing yourself for the death of your biggest game, something so easy to predict considering that it was not made to support so many new content. And what you during all this time instead of a Destiny 3? Marathon. They game can't be just a moderate success, it have to be an massive one.
phant0m
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It's ok man. I did the same with Halo 2 & 3. And Gears 2.
Games have their lifespan and we move on.
IMO they should put Destiny 2 to bed. It had a real good run, but they should take everything they learned from the last 15 years and make a game, whether it's Destiny 3, or 2Destiny4U: Electric Boogaloo, or something completely new.
Maybe Marathon is that game, who knows?
<Press X to doubt>
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Hollywood Hitman
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When Sony bought them for 3.6 bills, right then and there destiny 3 should've started production and nothing will change my mind on that.
It's so... So fucking hard to make a live service game let alone one that lasts 10 years, it's the golden goose of live service games and they pissed it away for this marathon shit
It's so... So fucking hard to make a live service game let alone one that lasts 10 years, it's the golden goose of live service games and they pissed it away for this marathon shit
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Haven't turned on my pc in almost a month…. Logged on today to get the free shit. Played one of the end game mission things, team uses all revives in the 1st 2 room, make it all the way to boss to get bonked into a wall and die…
This game used to be fun. Thinking about selling the my pc….
This game used to be fun. Thinking about selling the my pc….
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StreetsofBeige
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At the time, I think D2 was doing well so they thought it'd keep going. So making D3 would had ate into D2 if it had released around now as Marathon is coming out.
But by having D2 and Marathon they thought they'd have a solid 1-2 punch.
Instead, around the time Sony bought them was right when D2 started tanking hard leading to lay offs. So Sony got hooped by Bungie execs selling high. And Marathon has been a bust so far with a laughable beta and plagiarism issues. Doubtful it'll be a hit game coming anywhere close to D2.
Durin
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Yeah, you do get quite a few games that go for the most obvious stereotypes, but most of the time I think it's just to add variation over offending anyone. You regularly see old school samurai haircuts and posh middle-age wavy hairdos all the time as well in fantasy games.
Killmonger haircut got way overused, but I think it's also because it's a variation of the side-shaved haircut...which soooooooo many modern artists love to thrown in everywhere.