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Sony alone cannot be market leader
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Hector Hall
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We don't hope for Xbox to go away. Its just happening.
Competition is good for consumers.
The kind of competition Xbox was giving lately, buying whole publishers and trying to destroy the Premium market and substitute it with a subscription system with the money of the parent company, wasn't as good.
For now between Nintendo, Playstation, PC and mobile there will be competition. And in PC we include Steam Machine and Magnus, it's all "PC" somehow but still will make Sony have to put a lot of value in their box so you keep buying.
One of the steps is making single player WWS developed games exclusive again.
Topher
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We are back to revenue now!
You do t think pc gaming as a total produces more revenue?
When we are talking about a "market leader" we are talking about a company. PC isn't a company.
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Hector Hall
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SW2 can port somehow current games, but come 2027 I highly doubt it will continue to so once PS6 is released and UE6 unveiled.
But yes, Nintendo will continue to sell well and will be competition for your dollars.
Things is, everything ses to settle like this, Nintendo in handheld /hybrid and Sony in home consoles. The place for the second and a long shot away home console doesn't seem so viable now.
diffusionx
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1. ps3 was a long time ago. the company's organization has turned over multiple times since.
2. sony has plenty of competition. not stupid idiots like microsoft/xbox. but nintendo, apple, and valve, full of people who know what they are doing.
sony needs to be smarter and sharper than ever.
2. sony has plenty of competition. not stupid idiots like microsoft/xbox. but nintendo, apple, and valve, full of people who know what they are doing.
sony needs to be smarter and sharper than ever.
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MMaRsu
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Tobimacoss
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And one doesn't need to be market leader to be more profitable. Nintendo makes more profit on less revenues. Xbox is likely similar, especially if they stop subsidizing hardware.
Sony made $150+ billion in revenues, $15 billion in profits. So less than 10% in 5 years. Most of Sony's revenues is just money churn, to fund the hardware, and to pay off the 70% to publishers.
awwr999999
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There wasn't room for three because Xbox was vying for PlayStation's users.
There's room for PlayStation and Nintendo if PlayStation pivots back to it's old position as the "adult console" and Nintendo goes back to being the "family friendly console".
Two consoles with distinct console exclusives serving two different demographics - PlayStation with >18 and Nintendo with <18.
Goalus
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*exclusive slop
awwr999999
Member
PlayStation's battling Nintendo for the kid's gaming market while their real competition is valve and the larger adult market.
Steam has AO rated games, a 2hr return policy and an everlasting library that carries forward across HW.
PlayStation needs to have AO rated games, a 2hr return policy and an everlasting library that carries forward across HW.
NeoIkaruGAF
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The question is, do we need another generic hardware tied to a proprietary ecosystem to play essentially the same games?
Different systems were about exclusives. Only Sony and Nintendo now have console exclusives worth buying their hardware for. And no other player than MS could ever have offered exclusive software that's high-value enough to convince people to buy their hardware. That kind of software now requires too much time, too many people, too much money to make. And keeping it exclusive is making less and less business sense every year.
I don't want Xbox to evaporate simply because I have games tied to that system. If I could just redeem the license for those games on any other system, I wouldn't care about there being a next Xbox.
Different systems were about exclusives. Only Sony and Nintendo now have console exclusives worth buying their hardware for. And no other player than MS could ever have offered exclusive software that's high-value enough to convince people to buy their hardware. That kind of software now requires too much time, too many people, too much money to make. And keeping it exclusive is making less and less business sense every year.
I don't want Xbox to evaporate simply because I have games tied to that system. If I could just redeem the license for those games on any other system, I wouldn't care about there being a next Xbox.
Felessan
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And what do profits have to do with market share and competition?
Like ShiftUp has 60+% profit margin, twice as much as Nintendo - do they compete with Sony? A bit yes but generally no.
And remember - the top dog in industry profit wise is Tencent gaming - it's SO far ahead. It's slightly behind of Sony in terms of revenue, but have ~50+% profit margin (Nintendo is weak and "inefficient" too in comparison) and resulting profit at around 15bn, Nintendo can only dream of such numbers. Mihoyo and Netease gaming also have more profit than Nintendo.
Profits doesn't really show your capabilities, only ability to efficiently monetize what corner of the market you has.
Bonfires Down
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It seems to me like it should be possible to sell a console-like PC box at a reasonable price. Sony isn't selling the PS5 at a loss. The SteamCube barely matching PS5 performance five years later at a 50-100% markup is not it. It must be possible to do better than that.
archangelmorph
Gold Member
Old data.
Do you honestly think the PC market will grow in the current AI supply-chain disrupted climate??
So Nintendo are in a market on their own? And we don't have a problem with no competition? wonder why?
Or maybe we need to look at the PC GPU market oh gee much worse but no arrogant nvidia thread. what about the PC platforms, steam near a monopoly you say?
These calls for competition when it comes to PlayStation are just trying to rally troops in a war by virtue signalling. What you're seeing now is the result of competition and it's actually less lopsided than the examples above. People just try to discredit PlayStation for achieving its marketshare, as if it couldn't possibly be because people are happy with the product but because they have no other choice. Horseshit really.
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Melfice7
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Hit the nail right on the head
PlayStaytion
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A good game today doesn't have to be expensive but transparent to the modern audience, it speaks a language everyone understands with no extra layers of bs.
Kokoloko85
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Playstation and Nintendo will be market leaders.
Get over it, Microsoft and lolita express failed
Get over it, Microsoft and lolita express failed
Tiago Rodrigues
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oh thank you for your reasoning.
About PSN getting crazy expensive...how much is Gamepass's best tier currently? lmao
Tobimacoss
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Gamepass Ultimate offers Day 1 games though, unlike PS+ Premium. All MS first, 2nd party games plus 70+ third party ones Day 1.
If Sony raises prices on PS+, what will they be adding? That's the question.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
You heard him. Everybody take pity on the 4 trillion dollar company that's tried to buy everything and go buy ten Xbox consoles.
jm89
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The thing is xbox have stopped being competitive, so not sure losing them competing as a platform holder is gonna change a whole lot.
Gamepass just got price hiked to $30, they made an attempt at pushing game prices up to $80 and they aren't putting any decent discount on series consoles.
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diffusionx
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Rising_Hei
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This generation is the worst 1st party publishers ever had, but a great one except for this.
However, about Sony...
They adopted Apple's strategy with the accessories. Stupidly overpriced.
The Nintendo strategy with the game's prices (Prices not ever coming down for real). Check Demon's Souls and Returnal prices in 2026... It's surreal.
And following GAAS ruined their whole 1st party output.
They are lucky that the Japanese developers, indies and small studios are making awesome games.
However, about Sony...
They adopted Apple's strategy with the accessories. Stupidly overpriced.
The Nintendo strategy with the game's prices (Prices not ever coming down for real). Check Demon's Souls and Returnal prices in 2026... It's surreal.
And following GAAS ruined their whole 1st party output.
They are lucky that the Japanese developers, indies and small studios are making awesome games.
Guardian Monkey
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Rhazer Fusion
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Sony at this rate will inevitably have a monopoly on the console game industry and I don't think there is much that can be done about it. Imo, they never really had formidable competition. Their competition usually royally screwed up somewhere and defeated themselves and Sony capitalized.
Excluding Nintendo for the most part, the competition has lost their identity and PlayStation literally has everything they have and more with technically the most powerful, supported console on the market.
Who can really step up and compete with Sony when they will most likely have NO noteworthy exclusives, features or even noticeably better architecture to distinguish and sell their platform to the masses?
Excluding Nintendo for the most part, the competition has lost their identity and PlayStation literally has everything they have and more with technically the most powerful, supported console on the market.
Who can really step up and compete with Sony when they will most likely have NO noteworthy exclusives, features or even noticeably better architecture to distinguish and sell their platform to the masses?
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Unknown?
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Lol lmao even. That future will be $2500 for a good PC and $100 would be because people are dumb and accept digital only.I'm a pc gamer so it doesn't really concern me. But for those rabid console warriors who trade childish blows day after day, I can't wait until you are in a situation where you'll have to fork out $700 for a console and $100 per game in future
memoryman3
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Sony are still selling the PS5 at a loss - highly unusual for this point in the lifecycle, but they still are.
Guardian Monkey
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You think Sony would subsidize $1800 for an equivalent device?
MisterXDTV
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spookyfish
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Seems kinda like they can.
Donald mac Ronald
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Everytime we ship a game on playstation, they use that 30% cut to destroy Xbox.
diffusionx
Gold Member
lol this clown acts like cutting checks to companies that sell their games on Sony's platform is an expense
we need better xbox shills.
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HYDE
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Exactly! Wtf wants Macroshit to come back
vodka-bull
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Guess unfortunately, they can. No ones challenging Sony right now and as long as there's no competition, Sony can be as greedy and as cocky as they want…
HYDE
Member
Someone gets it.
Unknown?
Member
Nope, I don't think it'll be top of the line or upper mid tier and with diminishing returns it doesn't need to be.You think Sony would subsidize $1800 for an equivalent device?
diffusionx
Gold Member
console game industry is a small piece of the total market though. They're competing with the total market.
If anything Sony should be trying to grow the size of this market relative to the other ones, and figuring out why say people who play games on phone aren't playing on console. That's the real question, not trying to sell more consoles than Xbox (something they never had any problem doing).
Prodyhig
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So you don't worry, you're here talking about it.I'm a pc gamer so it doesn't really concern me. But for those rabid console warriors who trade childish blows day after day, I can't wait until you are in a situation where you'll have to fork out $700 for a console and $100 per game in future
Those of you hiding behind the moral umbrella of PC gaming, saying you don't get involved in "absurd wars," are the same ones who go around preaching to everyone how absurd it is to buy a console when, as a "foolish" consumer, you should be on PC.
You should get yourself checked out.
Guardian Monkey
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So where is the $2500 coming from? An equivalent device isnt going to cost 3.5x more.
Fabieter
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Absolutely people can use other platforms as a substitute for ps5/ps6 if they become too ignorant. It doesnt need to be direct competition. And i would argue that both switch 2 and PC is alot of competition to sony.
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