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StreetsofBeige
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Gamalytics revised their estimate down. Instead of 977k copes sold. It's now at 778k. I think Paul Tassi said Marathon was skewing a bit more to PC. So maybe consoles are 600k. In total, maybe the game has sold 1.4M-ish.
And it's not that their data link on Steam isnt updated. You can see the # of reviews, followers and playtime are up from the old data set.
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And it's not that their data link on Steam isnt updated. You can see the # of reviews, followers and playtime are up from the old data set.
Mar 14.....................................................................Mar 16
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RafterXL
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It's not skewing PC , it's almost all PC. The console sales are atrocious and I've seen dozens and dozens of posts from people in regions other than the U.S. talking about not being able to turn off cross play with PC because their wait times are shit, or being constantly tossed in U.S. servers because of a lack of local players.Gamalytics revised their estimate down. Instead of 977k copes sold. It's now at 778k. I think Paul Tassi said Marathon was skewing a bit more to PC. So maybe consoles are 600k. In total, maybe the game has sold 1.4M-ish.
And it's not that their data link on Steam isnt updated. You can see the # of reviews, followers and playtime are up from the old data set.
Mar 14.....................................................................Mar 16
For all the hand wringing about discussing Steam CCU numbers, they're literally as good as it gets for this game. It's the 20th best seller on PS5, which means it dropped 4 places since Saturday. It's like 70+ on Xbox, it might as well not even exist on that platform.
Steam is the end all be all of this game and it's fate is solely tied to what it does on Steam at this point.
duck_sauce
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If you have to emphasize that you have no agenda, something is fishy!We are back:
It reads like a terrorist letter
Same with food. Healthy food does not need health claim stickers.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Yeah, but imagine Bungie does well enough to still be around 20 years from today. That'll be over 30 years since Halo Reach and Destiny. Pretty much every one who worked on it would be retired by that point.
Are you saying at that point, no matter how successful they've been, they shouldn't be able to say "from the makers of Halo & Destiny"?
ricardo_sousa11
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Im not sure how a game that peaked at 80k, is currently at 60k claims to have sold 1.4M copies when PC is the vast majority of players.Gamalytics revised their estimate down. Instead of 977k copes sold. It's now at 778k. I think Paul Tassi said Marathon was skewing a bit more to PC. So maybe consoles are 600k. In total, maybe the game has sold 1.4M-ish.
And it's not that their data link on Steam isnt updated. You can see the # of reviews, followers and playtime are up from the old data set.
Mar 14.....................................................................Mar 16
I would highly doubt it would even reach 500K copies sold on all platforms, let alone 1.4M.
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Sakura
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I think they can say it if they want to, but it is kinda disingenuous.
For creative works we generally associate it with the people who made it. Like for movies or books they will often say "From the director/author of..." etc because that is what people care about.
It'd be like if Konami put out a new game saying "From the makers of Metal Gear Solid" even though Kojima isn't involved at all.
cormack12
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Yeah it's kinda weird and contradictory to say it has strong retention of 'core players' but also must have sold 2 million copies to have that CCU. If the same 60k CCU is coming from the same pool of active players, I realy doubt we're looking at more than half a million on PC
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
I completely understand where you,
StreetsofBeige
, and others are coming from. And if you're an enthusiast in a field, and you know the individuals who made the thing, then "from the makers of" or "from the directors of" really only matter if it's from specific people.But for most people, they don't get that granular. They don't know the studio, let alone the directors. They know the product. It's a marketing tool more than anything. And those sometimes do border on disingenuous.
Bernardougf
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More important than this game possible failing .. is the steam vs consoles split .. if it is that high than is the sweet cherry on top of the shitcake Sony is swallowing for its gaas push on playstation.
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PeteBull
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PeteBull
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TVexperto
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No once europe wakes up it will be 200k
SmokSmog
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Maybe on Thursday morning.
Moridianae
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Meanwhile Division 2:
I think it's a banger.
Division 2 is kind of enjoying their "No Man's Sky" moment, so to speak. They've continued to release content for a while now and each update has been fairly meaty for free content.
It's also dirt cheap and has a load of content for folks.
They had a fair priced expansion last year and I believe there will be another one sometime this year.
Avid Reading Horse
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BR is a whole mode made from... COD FFA? This might be the dumbest post in the entire thread.
Unless I missed something it doesn't sounds like Marathon uses particularly scummy monetization, but I could be wrong.
Nah, this is bullshit.
Sure, locked down matchmaking/hosting helps enable battle passes and the like, but you completely ignore how we got here.
The ability for player hosted servers was pretty standard on PC and worked pretty okay alongside some official servers back when things like cloud scaling and huge CCUs weren't really a thing. Meanwhile in consoleville 'lobbies' and 'matchmaking' alongside people hosting matches on their consoles while playing them became kind of standard. Ya know, the whole "you only won because of host advantage!" and host migration when the host rage quit or just got too laggy. It was a bad user experience.
But you can't have 500k people online at the same time trying to play a game by refreshing a server list and mashing the connect button. You need matchmaking servers in front of them, that's an obvious technical reason for modern online game hosting.
User hosted dedicated servers also came with a whole modding culture, which sure I loved, but there are security considerations. Not to mention the fact if you give the server to the player along with the game... then like every PC game from over 20 years ago... you're gonna have a no-cd crack for the game client and a crack on the server to ignore the serial key checks and boom, you have the full multiplayer experience on your pirated game.
The thing that tied it all together before the Battle Pass stuff was really the COD4 style progression system. You don't control the servers, and player servers will serve up massive XP, instant unlocks, etc... I'm sure that's a major contributor to why MW2 went full matchmaking no dedicated servers... ya know... the funny .jpg? Steam group: Boycott Modern Warfare 2 (WE WANT DEDICATED SERVERS)?
That's one of the things that make me think that maybe deep-down Marathon is actually a banger. That it scared off the traditional console Bungo crowd.
Sohurmk833
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17k new Low?
CentralScrutinizer
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They seldomly launch that way. You have to slowly boil the frog, ya know?
"Only $40?!? What a deal!!"
Give it a few months, if it lasts that long.
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Shubh_C63
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I know extraction genre is a PC thing but because its a new genre we can't make hard facts.
Historically Bungie has been very strong on Consoles. I don't see why that would change with Marathon.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Where are we getting console numbers from?
PeteBull
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That 66k was last tuesday aka 6days ago, now only at 62k durning sunday peak, probably last time it even breaks 60k everLol if they really think 66k or 72k is great
Now question is, will every1 at bungie agree to get their salaries getting cut at same %age marathon loses players from its 88k alltime peak? Aka 35-40% lower in april vs march(they are at -29% on 15th march, sunday, only gonna get worse from now), then again lower and lower each month so studio could live? Unlikely
Time to call hermen "the hitman" hulst, ASAP:
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Guilty_AI
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Yes you can, by simply having both. Case in point, CS2 is like that (even has offline LAN).
This is the business reason i gave, not a technical one. Much harder using FOMO to sell $20 dollar skins when you can have a custom one in a modded private server
Again, entirely business decision. Custom player games mean no centralized progression, meaning no way to tether players to hooks, and thus stuff like selling XP boosts tied to battlepasses or virtual currencies to purchase items become much less appealing.
Console numbers are derived from general user player bases on various sites coming from PSN. Sony themselves don't publish that data but you can pretty easily tell if something is hit or not just by virtue of having say 1000 linked PSN accounts on some general gaming site and then seeing how many of them are playing marathon vs other major games.
Steam has exact numbers.
DrFigs
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You probably put it together, but i don't think much of the genre.
ValiantInstance
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There are no numbers, but it is non-existent on the top sold list on both stores so it's fair to say barely anyone is playing it on console.
Angry_Megalodon
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One good indicator is the number of game reviews. Last night I compared it to other games and they are far below the top sellers.. Many niche or indie games with more reviews too.
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Negotiator101
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They? It must be sustainable at those kind of numbers though right? Just about?Lol if they really think 66k or 72k is great
Negotiator101
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It's not so much the GaaS push if the games are actually appealing to a big audience, like that Naughty Dog Factions would of been. Instead we got Concord and now this, both had terrible art direction which severely hindered their success. How a game plays becomes irrelevant if there isn't that relatable connectiont with the consumer. Raiders for instance is not a massive success because of it's gameplay, it's because of it's look and the atmosphere it creates or immersion in the world and it's law IMO.
Sohurmk833
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Obviously not as lame as the games affected.
MMaRsu
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How so? Back in the days there were plenty of MMO's trying to compete with WoW.
However good they might have been, why would you want to jump into a game that might shut down within months if noone else shows up?
As evidenced by dwindling player numbers in Marathon, this online only game has no lifeblood in it.
You're asking consumers to put down 40$ into a game that will not survive 6 months.
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Avid Reading Horse
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The vast majority of games in CS2 are played via matchmaking, c'mon now. And we're talking CS, the game is essentially 25+ years old and didn't make it on console despite some mediocre attempts. So yeah it wasn't shaped by exactly the same forces I described. But okay, sure, in general many games could provide servers on top of matchmaking systems if they really wanted to. That doesn't make matchmaking systems inherently predatory.
Ensuring the integrity of your gameplay systems is a technical issue. Even if it's for a system like muh COD-prestige-style grind which I'm totally over. And we're talking Marathon here... an extraction game doesn't make a whole lot of sense without everybody playing on the same servers and Bungo managing your stash on the backend. Not to mention the backend isn't just going to be the servers that host the individual matches, but also a non-trivial database for all the persistent loot and progression.
Of course, you ignored and failed to quote the whole section where I went over the timeline of how modern matchmaking systems came about. For a more concrete example, MW2 removed dedicated self-hosted servers on PC, there wasn't a hint of battle passes or virtual currencies for years. Arguably the first slightest whiff of that was 3 releases later with Black Ops 2 throwing in a DLC weapon along with one of the map packs. That was its own little controversy as you could queue against players on normal maps who didn't have the Peacekeeper. Ahh, simpler times. No XP boosts or battle passes. That's very obviously not why these games went with the matchmaking model.
I guess the original argument that I butted in on was something about GaaS being inherently anti-consumer and IMO it's whatever. If not enough people are still playing Marathon and it gets shut down, then it's not really worth playing. The only people that are going to care are the sort of people who have sleepless nights thinking about the episodes of Doctor Who that got taped over by the BBC or whatever. Bungo's 'content vault' Thanos-snapping the early Destiny 2 campaigns completely out of existence was more anti-consumer than anything that can happen with Marathon.
Gaiff
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Clearly, coming to post in a thread about it is much worse.
Baemono
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Absolute cinema
lifa-cobex
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The fuck?Meanwhile Division 2:
I think it's a banger.
How come that's jad a sudden up tick?
GermanZepp
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We are like those african dudes who dances with the casket. But there is long road walking to the cemetery.
Guilty_AI
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You mean ensuring the integrity of your monetization systems. If a random group of friends want to play the game with infinite ammo machine guns and giant heads amongst themselves that should be their business.
Because it doesnt matter. Maybe they had some genuine motivation to do it like that back then, it was 2009 and devs were still experimenting with MP. Not to mention it was before the entire mobilification of the market, and players weren't as much aware of how shitty things could get.
But nowadays? The motivations for doing things like this are perfectly clear.
Tell that to all the people clutching their pearls, swearing up and down marathon is amazing. Being niche or less popular isn't a good justification for something to completely cease existing.
Or to put it another way, you can only comfortably say something like this because it hasn't happened to a game you care about yet.
Why not? Its literally the same developer. They did it once, they can do something on that level again, if not worse.
HRK69
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Rocco Schiavone
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Any commentyurinka ? Strangely I saw you connected but you did not respond to my message. You don't have anything to say, you who had such a big mouth yesterday?
Avid Reading Horse
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I'll stand behind my comments and leave it at that.
I've been playing online FPS since the original Doom on DWANGO. It's nice that you can still play a game of Doom against someone if you want to. But I've moved on... same goes for every game whose multiplayer scene has petered out. I think Titanfall 1 servers are still up, but there's essentially nobody playing so it doesn't matter to me if the servers are up or down. Not healthy to get autistic about it.
They essentially nuked a bunch of single-player campaigns that people paid for because it was too annoying for them to do QA on along with later updates/changes. I get people being mad about that. That seems worse than anything they can do with Marathon all the way up to just shutting the game down at its natural death. What else can they do? Rotate some maps out of the game? No big deal, is what it is.
Bernardougf
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I grt your point and I dont completely disagree but...
Its a push the moment you divert your studios attentions and efforts to a single goal, almost sidelining what made you what you are today in the market and in the process fucks up your entire single player pipeline to the point of closing competent studios or making studios go a full gen without releasing a single game or maybe just one, because they were busy experimenting with their new objectives (gaas). It directly influenced studios purchases, projects greenlighting, budget and efforts allocations.
Sure a single good game like factions could have come out of the gaas shithole , or we could have had a great gen with multiple games from bluepoint, bend, naughty dog and so on. In the end we got none.
But thats kind of off-topic... so ill move on.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
"I'll take self fulfilling prophecy" for $800, Alex lmao