KyoZz
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ByWatterson
Member
I mean obviously some of these results are weird and uncanny valley.
But tailored for a thousand different use cases? Kinda mind-blowing if we're being honest.
But tailored for a thousand different use cases? Kinda mind-blowing if we're being honest.
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Epic tool.
Anti-AI religion in shambles.
Anti-AI religion in shambles.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Its current form looks bad, but I have no doubt that once devs start using it with full customization, it could be good. It'll all be down to how it's implemented and improved upon.
But either way, it's been absolutely hilarious to see all of the memes and backlash today lol.
But either way, it's been absolutely hilarious to see all of the memes and backlash today lol.
Liopleurodon
Member
Laptop1991
Member
Yes, so far, i like it, i was impressed with the games they showed, whether it will turn out as good at the time i don't know, we have to wait until then.
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IbizaPocholo
NeoGAFs Kent Brockman
I loved it. This is the kind of advance I want in graphical technology. If you don't like it, don't use it.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I like it but i dont think its the future. I think it's a cool tool that will help with the modding scene but its not going to replace standard graphics.
nial
Member
this is the worst one, just hideous
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Cool tech. Ugly results. Probably has a ton of issues since what they've shown are either still shots or the camera moving around slowly.
Basically catnip for investors, think and wish this will get nowhere.
Basically catnip for investors, think and wish this will get nowhere.
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Guardian Monkey
Member
The title is self-explanatory, what do you think?
Agreed looks cool!
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Yes mainly because we've all seen it and are using it now. This is why we can pass judgement based on our own hard data!
DLSS5 releases this fall
DLSS5 releases this fall
Sebastian1295
Member
Look terrible. Changes too much to the point we get into uncanny valley territory. Changing lips, eyes, backgrounds, etc to the point that it's ruining the game it was used on.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Is not it up to devs and optional or it will be something forced to us??
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
I've only seen those few clips from the DF video.
Turning the flat lifeless Starfield into something with actual depth with shadow and contrast is impressive.
I like the few clips of Hogwarts Legacy that were shown. The game's Raytracing was broken and never fixed, and DLSS 5 was able to help that post launch? That's kind of crazy.
I can imagine that developers are only going to need to add certain 'cues' to future games to 'help' DLSS.
I need to play around with it in an actual game in my actual home to really judge. Right now it looks like a quick demo of what might be possible in the future.
Turning the flat lifeless Starfield into something with actual depth with shadow and contrast is impressive.
I like the few clips of Hogwarts Legacy that were shown. The game's Raytracing was broken and never fixed, and DLSS 5 was able to help that post launch? That's kind of crazy.
I can imagine that developers are only going to need to add certain 'cues' to future games to 'help' DLSS.
I need to play around with it in an actual game in my actual home to really judge. Right now it looks like a quick demo of what might be possible in the future.
uncreativename
Member
I guess I'd need to know more about how much control developers have over it. If it's doing all this on its own with no substantial developer input, then no, not really a fan of that.
Esquie
Member
I'm all in… balls deep with all 4 inches.
This is worth a read btw, it was posted in the main thread:
Also it seems that everything we saw today was by the devs/artists themselves, meaning everything we saw Bethesda, Capcom, Ubi, etc., was their own doing. It wasn't just a thing Nvidia did by themselves.
This is worth a read btw, it was posted in the main thread:
Also it seems that everything we saw today was by the devs/artists themselves, meaning everything we saw Bethesda, Capcom, Ubi, etc., was their own doing. It wasn't just a thing Nvidia did by themselves.
Killer8
Member
I'll post what I said in the graphics thread:
They really picked the worst way to showcase this. You do not take Requiem, a game with perhaps the best character models out there, and turn it into AI sloppa. I do not blame anyone for thinking that looks abysmal, as I do too.
But Nvidia also clarified that developers have a large amount of control over the artistic side of the presentation. They can use masking on any part of the visuals which they don't want DLSS5 to touch. The ideal would be if developers offer the ability to disable it on faces via the graphics options, but leave everything else to DLSS5. Look beyond the faces in those Starfield comparisons and it's working some real magic in the environment. When used conservatively, this might be able to clean up some long-standing issues in rendering.
It will also be interesting to see how this impacts development. Likely not much since it's proprietary tech. This could be a massive equalizer though for shit-tier devs, like pitting a granny vs a 6ft 6 bodybuilder except now you've given granny a stub nose revolver in her purse. I imagine it could theoretically speed development up a lot, but again, it's proprietary tech so has limited use on consoles. No developer is going to replace their whole rendering pipeline with this any time soon.
Digital Foundry also said in their shill video that developers get better results with better inputs. We will need to see what level of shit DLSS5 can be fed and still churn out a good result. Perhaps DLSS5 may even make Nvidia's own Remix mod tools irrelevant if it works well enough. Perhaps no more terrible looking path-tracing mods for ancient games, with pitch black hallways and plastic looking textures which everyone pretends looks "better".
I also wonder how Switch 3 will fare. Presumably Nintendo will be continuing their relationship with Nvidia for backwards compatibility reasons. With the other console manufacturers sticking to AMD's garbage, Nintendo may be able to low-key step over them completely with a DLSS5-lite. Nvidia did say they can run this on a single card with some cutbacks and a lot of VRAM.
They really picked the worst way to showcase this. You do not take Requiem, a game with perhaps the best character models out there, and turn it into AI sloppa. I do not blame anyone for thinking that looks abysmal, as I do too.
But Nvidia also clarified that developers have a large amount of control over the artistic side of the presentation. They can use masking on any part of the visuals which they don't want DLSS5 to touch. The ideal would be if developers offer the ability to disable it on faces via the graphics options, but leave everything else to DLSS5. Look beyond the faces in those Starfield comparisons and it's working some real magic in the environment. When used conservatively, this might be able to clean up some long-standing issues in rendering.
It will also be interesting to see how this impacts development. Likely not much since it's proprietary tech. This could be a massive equalizer though for shit-tier devs, like pitting a granny vs a 6ft 6 bodybuilder except now you've given granny a stub nose revolver in her purse. I imagine it could theoretically speed development up a lot, but again, it's proprietary tech so has limited use on consoles. No developer is going to replace their whole rendering pipeline with this any time soon.
Digital Foundry also said in their shill video that developers get better results with better inputs. We will need to see what level of shit DLSS5 can be fed and still churn out a good result. Perhaps DLSS5 may even make Nvidia's own Remix mod tools irrelevant if it works well enough. Perhaps no more terrible looking path-tracing mods for ancient games, with pitch black hallways and plastic looking textures which everyone pretends looks "better".
I also wonder how Switch 3 will fare. Presumably Nintendo will be continuing their relationship with Nvidia for backwards compatibility reasons. With the other console manufacturers sticking to AMD's garbage, Nintendo may be able to low-key step over them completely with a DLSS5-lite. Nvidia did say they can run this on a single card with some cutbacks and a lot of VRAM.
Hollowpoint5557
A Fucking Idiot
Its incredible. The generational leap I have been looking for.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
This iteration is a bit wonky but can still look amazing. Assuming that the persistency of how things look is maintained throughout a game or if not this can be fixed with further iterations - future games will be able to look look photorealistic or like CGI with a fraction of the power used in the current best movie CGI.
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Shifty1897
Gold Member
Nah man. I'll just play retro/HD-2D games if this is where we're going with the tech. I'll save a lot of money.
DLSS 5 is for gooners who want the characters in every video game to look like the ads on porn sites.
DLSS 5 is for gooners who want the characters in every video game to look like the ads on porn sites.
drotahorror
Member
It's impressive and definitely the future. Not all the implementations are fantastic, but most are pretty incredible.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Where's the "Wait and See" option?
It's too early to judge how this will really look when it's released later this year. Hopefully Nvidia takes some of the criticism they have received into considering and works on the training of the AI model they are using so it doesn't look like a SeeDance video
It's too early to judge how this will really look when it's released later this year. Hopefully Nvidia takes some of the criticism they have received into considering and works on the training of the AI model they are using so it doesn't look like a SeeDance video
Wilhelm_85
Gold Member
It absolutely won't be the future, because it's proprietary to Nvidia and likely exclusive to the 5000 series of cards.
Something like it (FSR, PSSR) may become widely adopted, but it's extremely unlikely that this tech will.
Shit, man, I'm not even sure Nvidia is going to release another generation of GPUs at the rate they are raking in AI cash.
Something like it (FSR, PSSR) may become widely adopted, but it's extremely unlikely that this tech will.
Shit, man, I'm not even sure Nvidia is going to release another generation of GPUs at the rate they are raking in AI cash.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
What does that mean?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Keep in mind that it has been largely nvidia continuing to innovate. I hate the pricing stuff but they have not fallen asleep at the wheel like intel did with CPU's. That's why they continue to have equity with me.
The engineers at nvidia GFX are second to none.
uncreativename
Member
Here's the exact quote from https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/...red-breakthrough-in-visual-fidelity-for-games btw
This list of their research labs is a bit freaky. They're really into this ai shit, huh... https://research.nvidia.com/research-labs#
Anyways, I don't like it because I think devs should be doing this stuff themselves, but at least this part of dlss is optional, so it's hard to dislike it that much.
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Hawk The Slayer
Member
It's the future and I don't like it.
Staying with Pathtracing DLAA Frame Gen on or Pathtracing DLSS Quality Frame Gen off.
A.I stuff would be way too demanding and expensive for me anyway.
Staying with Pathtracing DLAA Frame Gen on or Pathtracing DLSS Quality Frame Gen off.
A.I stuff would be way too demanding and expensive for me anyway.
MagusMajul
Member
use it to get rid of all the ugly female characters in games i love it
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Looks like a winner to me
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
These poll options suck and I'm not going to vote.
Stop trying to editorialize the vote options.
Stop trying to editorialize the vote options.
Wilhelm_85
Gold Member
Agreed that it's Nvidia who typically innovates, but I think this is very different from DLSS/FSR. This heavily affects the final image and how the game's art is presented, and clearly is going to need to be integrated in the production pipeline early to ensure desired results are achieved. I'm just not sure most studios will be able to justify it for the small amount of GPUs in the market that support the tech. Clearly some will, especially those that Nvidia pays and/or offers engineering resources to support, but I can't imagine it gets widespread adoption unless an accessible platform agnostic version comes out, but it seems less likely that something will emerge unlike more traditional upscaling techniques.
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