Radical_3d
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Can someone put Alan Wake comparisons? I think that it'll be the bigger beneficiary from this change (unless you're that guy that stops at patches of grass).
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CrustyBritches
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I couldn't really tell much of a difference in SH2. I tried AW2, but then I realized it has an official patch and I was using the PS+ version, so I think I was seeing the PSSR2 no matter what.
Now in Avatar you can tell immediately. Especially in *EDIT* 'Quality(60fps)' mode.
Now in Avatar you can tell immediately. Especially in *EDIT* 'Quality(60fps)' mode.
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Bojji
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I couldn't really tell much of a difference in SH2. I tried AW2, but then I realized it has an official patch and I was using the PS+ version, so I think I was seeing the PSSR2 no matter what.
Now in Avatar you can tell immediately. Especially in performance mode.
Now, this is quite fucking big difference.
Kusarigama
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Same here. No difference in quality mode and performance mode in SH2. I don't know if the performance mode even uses pssr though.
VRR actually is - there are far more games(and list is only growing) with no official VRR support than the other way around. I mean - even Series consoles are mostly relying on system level support, they just don't bother offering a toggle-off at all.
Supersampling is harder to say since it literally required pixel counting to determine what the game did internally at non 4k resolution. Amusing that expectations changed so much there too - PS360 era it was much more common to not offer supersampling, even on 360 almost all games offered specific support for SD resolutions (and higher performance). But I guess performance baselines were much worse too.
That's what the original post said - bypassing the version number - ie. any newer version would be forced if it exists.
CrustyBritches
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It formally did, but they removed it. Which is a bummer because that would probably be a good demo for PSSR2.
It was a relief to see Avatar looking amazing now in Performance mode.
Massive difference. I love it when you can tell right off the bat like that. The second I saw that I was like holy shit.
YCoCg
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What was the time frame between DLSS1 and DLSS2? Or FSR1 and FSR2? If there's a pattern that's formed so far with upscalers it's that the first one is always rough and after it's been out a while and been used in more games and different engines, then the second iteration that's a bit boost and follows the direction it sets going forward.
Bojji
Gold Member
Both FSR1->FSR2 and DLSS1->DLSS2 are completely separate things (similar in name only), same way FSR4 is not similar to older upscalers from AMD.
DLSS2->3->4->4.5, and FSR4->4.1 - that's evolution you are talking about.
The problem with PSSR1 was that is was the worst ML upscaler when it launched, behind even DLSS2 from 2020. It was weird to see AMD releasing something so much better less than 4 months later. Then it took Sony 17 months to finally upgrade it, with no visible upgrades during that time.
In the end, I'm glad they were able to fix all the shortcomings.
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DenchDeckard
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Please add to death stranding 2 and let people choose Pico or PSSR 2. I think someone said it was called Pico.
Radical_3d
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Maaaaaaan… that's an improvement! My issue with the new PSSR 2 is precisely what I liked about the old one: the games where it didn't work well don't interest me shit. But I guess it's time I look into the disc version of Silent Hill (press) f.I couldn't really tell much of a difference in SH2. I tried AW2, but then I realized it has an official patch and I was using the PS+ version, so I think I was seeing the PSSR2 no matter what.
Now in Avatar you can tell immediately. Especially in performance mode.
I don't think they are patching games, simply looks like some games are "verified" and the system is using PSSR2 automatically even if you disable the toggle. They maybe can tune something via Firmware, but I would say they are running at the same resolution, settings.
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kazuyamishima
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Tried the following:
- Resident Evil 4 Remake, Silent Hill 2 Remake and Returnal, crisper image in all of those games.
There's an option of "Higher frames" in RE4R that I don't remember been there before.
- Resident Evil 4 Remake, Silent Hill 2 Remake and Returnal, crisper image in all of those games.
There's an option of "Higher frames" in RE4R that I don't remember been there before.
dead monkey uk
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Great news, just in time for the game coming to PS+
Bojji
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Toggle works on demos as well. Pragmata (PSSR1 up, PSSR2 down):
PSSR2 completely fixed that terrible smear on hair (better seen on this picture):
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Caio
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This.
This is pretty great, gotta be honest. Tried a few games very briefly (work day here and my OLED is in direct sunlight so far from ideal) but it's a big improvement across the board. Of the games I've tested:
SW Outlaws: probably the biggest immediate improvement. Just looks way way sharper and more stable. This is a theme but the only real image quality issues is caused by RT reflections at this point.
SW Jedi Survivor: not quite as obvious, still very significant. Easily the clearest and best IQ I've seen in the game to date. Almost no aliasing. Have to really go looking for it, at which point, it's kind of problem solved really isn't it?
Spider-Man 2: not as obviously sharper (probably is, just not as immediately apparent) but the severe pixel crawling on fine edges that was all over the game before is maybe 80% fixed. Getting close to the point where you have to go looking for it. Again, RT noise is now the biggest IQ issue.
Alan Wake 2: pretty big improvement, but issues are still fairly apparent. Solves maybe 50% of the problem. Way sharper though.
Ratchet and Clank: only tried very briefly. Not certain this is actually an improvement tbh. Was already super sharp with the occasional bit of aliasing etc. from what I can tell the aliasing is improved but not eliminated but whether that's worth the lower settings and worse RT (I play on fidelity unlocked which is close to 60fps anyway) is pretty questionable. Although I guess you do get proper locked 60fps so there's that.
Overall, seriously impressive. Not sure what the internal resolution in Outlaws is on Pro at 60fps, but whatever it is it's enough for PSSR 2 to produce a beautiful final image. At least here, anyway.
SW Outlaws: probably the biggest immediate improvement. Just looks way way sharper and more stable. This is a theme but the only real image quality issues is caused by RT reflections at this point.
SW Jedi Survivor: not quite as obvious, still very significant. Easily the clearest and best IQ I've seen in the game to date. Almost no aliasing. Have to really go looking for it, at which point, it's kind of problem solved really isn't it?
Spider-Man 2: not as obviously sharper (probably is, just not as immediately apparent) but the severe pixel crawling on fine edges that was all over the game before is maybe 80% fixed. Getting close to the point where you have to go looking for it. Again, RT noise is now the biggest IQ issue.
Alan Wake 2: pretty big improvement, but issues are still fairly apparent. Solves maybe 50% of the problem. Way sharper though.
Ratchet and Clank: only tried very briefly. Not certain this is actually an improvement tbh. Was already super sharp with the occasional bit of aliasing etc. from what I can tell the aliasing is improved but not eliminated but whether that's worth the lower settings and worse RT (I play on fidelity unlocked which is close to 60fps anyway) is pretty questionable. Although I guess you do get proper locked 60fps so there's that.
Overall, seriously impressive. Not sure what the internal resolution in Outlaws is on Pro at 60fps, but whatever it is it's enough for PSSR 2 to produce a beautiful final image. At least here, anyway.
Felessan
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Not really if you know a bit about this stuff
It was just bad luck for Sony for things turn this way
Bojji
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Bad luck? They knew how this looked like when they released it in November. UE5 games had problems from day one.
Edellus
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I tried Control (unpatched) briefly, but I can immediately tell the Ray tracing shimmering on walls and floors is mighty reduced. Whatever is left is not nearly as distracting as before. I hope that after they're patched, Control and AW2 have it resolved completely. And, of course, Resonant launches without that issue.
saintjules
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I couldn't really tell much of a difference in SH2. I tried AW2, but then I realized it has an official patch and I was using the PS+ version, so I think I was seeing the PSSR2 no matter what.
Now in Avatar you can tell immediately. Especially in performance mode.
PSSR ENABLED
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Felessan
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Bad luck was on FSR4 part. Appearance of transformer application to upscaling had a really bad timing for Sony - it made pssr1 obsolete, but can't be used on Pro outright leading to 1+year of delay
They probably wanted to gradually improve pssr1 on real usage data and problems. But it became obsolete so they have to switch to PSSR2 development, leaving PSSR1 in a shitty state for so long
We don't even know when they abandoned pssr1, but probably quite some time prior to ps5pro launch. If transformer didn't happen we probably could have a better version of upscaler at launch.
I honestly think this game looks better in performance mode. The RT is so terrible it actually spoils the image. Just my 2 cents.
saintjules
Gold Member
Well it's here now. Let's just enjoy it!
saintjules
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Toggle works on demos as well. Pragmata (PSSR1 up, PSSR2 down):
PSSR2 completely fixed that terrible smear on hair (better seen on this picture):
That looks pretty amazing ngl!
Hyper_hyper
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PSSR 1 was already used good in Yotei. Performance stable, graphics awesome. So, now with usage of PSSR2, jump is the smallest in this game IMO
FUBARx89
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HFR was added as an option when REmake 4 got Pro support. It's the only display setting that uses PSSR.
Gonna update my PS5 in a few and have a look at RE4 with PSSR2. Hoping it's a vast improvement.
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cripterion
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I had to try it. I have all these games on PC but no GPU. Saving for an RTX 5080.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
GT7 (RT 60fps PSSR) on the ring looks better to my eyes the wire fence is more stable, the guard rails in the distance are better resolved and occasionally an issue. Sub-pixel aliasing is where PSSR needs further refinement to get to TAA level. Tokyo by night shows the sub-pixel aliasing at its worst. Yas Marina Circuit does look great, little complaints there. It certainly varies by track and time of day.
Going to try Spider Man 2 as was never satisfied with the IQ.
Going to try Spider Man 2 as was never satisfied with the IQ.
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Radical_3d
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Does Helldivers uses PSSR? Or is it still a slight VRR increase? Answer… for democracy!
ShakenG
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Thats a negative big red, over.
Bojji
Gold Member
Yeah, it will destroy FSR from base version.
Radical_3d
Member
Ok, team, I'm gonna need you to democratise Sweden until PSSR is implemented!!
RE4R in theory uses PSSR only on higher frames mode so what you see it's just CBR and none improvement at all. Returnal also not use PSSR from what I knew. Also if you just checked the perfomance mode in SH2 (I hope not) in practically you have tested all the wrong games/modes.
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BlackTron
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Sony and Nintendo trading places in the most bizarre ways.
kazuyamishima
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Diego Brasil
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Control
Besides eliminating noise...
it greatly improved the quality and image quality.
Besides eliminating noise...
it greatly improved the quality and image quality.
Diego Brasil
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Dragon Age
BlackTron
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My post makes less sense when I realize Pro has a boost mode and every game does not require a patch to take advantage. So it's less trading places (such as with censoring) and more just acting like each other. My bad nevermind lol.
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