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[Fafalada]

Xbox also supports Xess that is in the market for ~4 years but no game on it is using it.

Last I looked XeSS was still closed source (no matter what Intel says about it) so saying 'XBox supports it' is akin to saying XBox supports DLSS. Unless the vendor decides to port it - it doesn't, and developers aren't the ones to point fingers at here as there's f-all they can do.

What AMD is doing is a whole different story obviously - but that one (assuming hw isn't limiting in ways people don't understand - which could still be the case) I'd put more on MS not giving a damn about XSX (definitely not devs either). As I doubt AMD would stop them if they actually you know - tried.

 

[Bojji]

Last I looked XeSS was still closed source (no matter what Intel says about it) so saying 'XBox supports it' is akin to saying XBox supports DLSS. Unless the vendor decides to port it - it doesn't, and developers aren't the ones to point fingers at here as there's f-all they can do.

What AMD is doing is a whole different story obviously - but that one (assuming hw isn't limiting in ways people don't understand - which could still be the case) I'd put more on MS not giving a damn about XSX (definitely not devs either). As I doubt AMD would stop them if they actually you know - tried.

MS could make some deal with Intel, I doubt Intel would be very upset that their tech is promoted in more games.

 

[MisterXDTV]

It's hilarious we are still talking about this

Reality is FSR4 is unsupported on RDNA2 and 3

Hacked DLLs files or emulation don't mean shit

Considering a whole year has passed, it's a dead matter at this point

 

[Panajev2001a]

Xbox also supports Xess that is on the market for ~4 years but no game on it is using it. I think reasons are more political then technical, and developers in general don't give a fuck about Xbox.

Supports but no game uses it… same thing for RDNA4. Is it possible that it might not be as easy as it might appear to be? Again, AMD is held up to a standards that will do them no good, but it is also their fault as I said (sold RDNA2 for too long for example).

 

[Bojji]

Supports but no game uses it… same thing for RDNA4. Is it possible that it might not be as easy as it might appear to be? Again, AMD is held up to a standards that will do them no good, but it is also their fault as I said (sold RDNA2 for too long for example).

What? RDNA2 is 2020 architecture, Turing that is still fully supported - 2018. AMD also completely abandoned RDNA1 from 2019.

AMD was the one with "fine wine" and "FSR2 works on all GPUs" approach. But suddenly, with RDNA4 they completely forgot about that and started making super dumb, anti consumer decisions.

It's hilarious we are still talking about this

Reality is FSR4 is unsupported on RDNA2 and 3

Hacked DLLs files or emulation don't mean shit

Considering a whole year has passed, it's a dead matter at this point

Officially unsupported, hardware runs it just fine. This "hacked dll" was published by AMD...

 

[winjer]

Supports but no game uses it… same thing for RDNA4. Is it possible that it might not be as easy as it might appear to be? Again, AMD is held up to a standards that will do them no good, but it is also their fault as I said (sold RDNA2 for too long for example).

The problem is that the best oficially supported upscaler in AMD's RDNA2 and RDNA3 is Intel's XeSS.
It's just ridiculous that Intel is doing more to support RDNA2 than AMD.

The worst part is that the new compiled FSR4 Int8 dll, 4.0.2b, fixed some bugs that caused performance issues in RDNA2, which means that it's performance is now almost on par with XeSS Dp4A, while looking better.
So it's the modders and Intel that are taking up the slack, while AMD is doing nothing at all.

 

[crazyriddler]

fixed some bugs that caused performance issues in RDNA2, which means that it's performance is now almost on par with XeSS Dp4A, while looking better.

Wow I didn't know that. I need to check out on the steam deck ASAP

 

[Bojji]

New video about FSR4.1



-Still no FSR4/4.1 support on RDNA2/3

-Still no FSR4/4.1 support on Vulcan games

-No driver switch for FSR4-4.1. When there could be advantages in using FSR4.0 over 4.1 (less sharp but more stable).

....

 

[Panajev2001a]

The problem is that the best oficially supported upscaler in AMD's RDNA2 and RDNA3 is Intel's XeSS.
It's just ridiculous that Intel is doing more to support RDNA2 than AMD.

The worst part is that the new compiled FSR4 Int8 dll, 4.0.2b, fixed some bugs that caused performance issues in RDNA2, which means that it's performance is now almost on par with XeSS Dp4A, while looking better.
So it's the modders and Intel that are taking up the slack, while AMD is doing nothing at all.

I understand but the modders are not held to any sort of account and certainly not to the account that AMD would be for something they shipped officially. Sometimes online open source mods and emulators and all seems flawless but … kind of smells of lowered expectations which AMD would not benefit from.

Still, they have enough money to make it work better and they could release it in semi supported / no warranty provided eternal beta but even then they might still be named and shamed to do more.

I think that, as a finished / fully supported product, the biggest issue with FSR4 is that they kept selling old GPU architectures for so so so so long past their prime.

 

[Panajev2001a]

What? RDNA2 is 2020 architecture, Turing that is still fully supported - 2018. AMD also completely abandoned RDNA1 from 2019.

nVIDIA compute and AI / ML wise was further ahead than AMD was HW and SW ecosystem wise… was there even a debate on that? They did a big big jump forward with RDNA2 but it was not until RDNA4 that they have caught up enough (RDNA5 is going to be their next big jump… their graphics team does not have the resources to compete on the same exact strategy and beats and customers rewarded them by buying nVIDIA once they discounted their products to respond to any perceived credible competition threat)

AMD was the one with "fine wine" and "FSR2 works on all GPUs" approach. But suddenly, with RDNA4 they completely forgot about that and started making super dumb, anti consumer decisions.

A.) they got almost no reward with a more pro consumer approach and B.) maybe with RDNA2 they cannot support FSR4 properly (to a standard beyond random modder on the internet would be held to)… which is why I keep saying the biggest problem for me is they still do not have RDNA4 on APUs…

 

[kevboard]

AMD was the one with "fine wine" and "FSR2 works on all GPUs" approach.

people internally should have told them that their fine wine was just rancid grape juice

 

[Bojji]

nVIDIA compute and AI / ML wise was further ahead than AMD was HW and SW ecosystem wise… was there even a debate on that? They did a big big jump forward with RDNA2 but it was not until RDNA4 that they have caught up enough (RDNA5 is going to be their next big jump… their graphics team does not have the resources to compete on the same exact strategy and beats and customers rewarded them by buying nVIDIA once they discounted their products to respond to any perceived credible competition threat)

A.) they got almost no reward with a more pro consumer approach and B.) maybe with RDNA2 they cannot support FSR4 properly (to a standard beyond random modder on the internet would be held to)… which is why I keep saying the biggest problem for me is they still do not have RDNA4 on APUs…

Their market share plummeted further after RDNA4 release so clearly being anti consumer also don't help...

FSR3 has these requirements:

"May not run well" They didn't have any problem with that in the past...

Only reason there is no FSR4 support on older GPUs is because they want to sell more RDNA4 GPUs to current Radeon users.

 

[winjer]

Their market share plummeted further after RDNA4 release so clearly being anti consumer also don't help...

FSR3 has these requirements:

"May not run well" They didn't have any problem with that in the past...

Only reason there is no FSR4 support on older GPUs is because they want to sell more RDNA4 GPUs to current Radeon users.

For 2025 RNDA4 sold well enough for an Radeon GPU. It was in the last quarter of the year that things went from bad to worse.
The debacle with the RDNA1 and RDNA2 end of driver support, served to kill the little trust anyone could have in the Radeon Group. And the backtracking did nothing to correct it.
That AMD still hadn't released FSR4 for RDNA3, at least, it's another major issue that eroded trust in the brand.
But then there are many other things. Redstone was promised for 2025, only released in the end of the year. With only one game supported for Ray Regeneration. And it took 3 months to get the second.
Frame Generation still has frame pacing issues, even the ML one. And Radiance cache has no games supported.
And to make things that much worse, FSR Diamond, supposedly is only for UDNA/RDNA5. Meaning that after just one year, Radeon Group already plans to discontinue support for RDNA4, just like they did with RDNA3.
Even after a whole year, there is still no support for Vulkan with RDNA4.
Meanwhile nvidia is providing support for 8 year old GPUs with the newest DLSS4, RT, etc. Only missing out on Frame Generation.
And it's Intel that is officially providing the best upscaler for RDNA2 and RDNA3.
RDNA4 was a good GPU, that had the potential to stem the bleeding. But AMD fucked up so many times, so hard, in 2025, that most people just gave up.
At this point, people are angry at AMD for all of these screw ups. But I suspect that RDNA5 will be met with something worse, apathy.