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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Again, only in games from devs who chose to target those high resolutions. Aside from Sony, most devs went with 1440p 30 fps starting late 2022 with Callisto, Plague's Tale both targeting that resolution despite shipping 60 fps modes. Callisto gave up ray tracing for its 60 fps mode while Plague's tale shipped their 60 fps mode a bit later with toned down graphics.
By 2023, Star Wars jedi survivor, starfield, ff16, alan wake 2, and avatar were targeting 1440p 30 fps and i wouldnt say any of those games were held back by the inclusion of a 60 fps target.
Devs have only improved their RT pipelines since then. AC Black Flags wont be stripping out RT in its 60 fps mode like AC Shadows did. Epic has made software lumen available at 1080p 60 fps after 720p-864p 60 fps games up until last year. And Im ok with 1080p 60 fps target since they are basically equivalent to 1440p 30 fps in terms of the pixel budget. like i said, any lower and you run into scenarios where graphics fidelity jsut doesnt translate on to the screen because the IQ is too low. its why DriveClub and batman AK look like garbage on 4k screens.
ResetEraVetVIP
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Looking forward to this.
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Yes - MW4 is current gen only, on a completely new/ revamped engine, so it should look amazing, and rumor has it there's Destruction now.
Abysse
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ResetEraVetVIP
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Looks much better now, looks great.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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The inconsistency of that is absurd. Fuck Capcom
Feel Like I'm On 42
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Other than GTA6 this is the game Im most excited for. It's going to be great.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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I went back and played some GoW 2018 yesterday and in some ways it looks better than Ragnarok. That game was mind blowing in 2018 on the Pro. Balrog is the goat. Ragnarok looks more refined graphically but it also lost something that's hard to put my finger on. The impact and hit reactions you see from enemies was done better in 2018. The set pieces were better too. Fighting Thor and Odin wasn't as impressive as even the very first fight against Baulder.
Having a good director versus a goat tier director like Corey can make all the difference. Like the way one game gave us hints while still respecting our intelligence while the other had to tell us exactly what to do to solve every puzzle. When do you think we'll see Balrogs game? It has been so long.
viveks86
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I'd be disappointed if it's not in the upcoming SoP. They are showing it off in theaters and inviting journalists. It's about time!
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ResetEraVetVIP
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Great. Almost CGI'ish visuals because of great AA.
ResetEraVetVIP
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The character faces are great, wonder how the rest will fare.
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DanielG165
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Agreed. Ragnarok has better faces than 2018, but 2018 has better effects, materials, and physics imo. 2018 just looks… Sharper and tighter overall to me.
ResetEraVetVIP
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dgrdsv
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These two are the same. And don't tell me that a 2D sprite game in 320x200 can look great.
Why is this footage so super blurry even on 4K?
Seems like it is upscaled with TSR from 720P.
Luipadre
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Doesnt matter. On PC with DLSS4 and higher fps this will look glorious
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Crimson Desert just added Ray traced sun/moon light shadows. I wonder if this will improve lighting during night time.
Everytime they release a trailer it looks worse than the last released previous trailer.
The latest trailer released yesterday looks like a PS4 game.
Tell me how this looks better than quantum break
Cumulus
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It´s hitman 1.5.
A few scenes with the lighting and asset quality cranked to 180 wont elevate the other 90% of the game above mediocre. The RT saves it a bit at times but all in all I haven`t seen any gameplay material longer than 10-20 seconds that looked better than "okay". Animations, Models and general asset quality are nowhere near current AAA standards. It looks decidedly AA, and I`m not sure why many people pretend otherwise.
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Polygonal_Sprite
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It completely depends on the engine and if it's CPU or GPU limited.
The reason there's so many 60fps games this gen is because 99% of engines thus games are GPU bound (mainly because we're still in the realms of the PS4 era visually where they had to make everything GPU bound because of their absolutely horrendous tablet CPU's) so you either chose 1440p/30fps or 1080p/60fps (then upscale the image using FSR2 to make it seem closer to 4k image quality). If your game had shit code like Arkham Knights or used very heavy RT then in rare cases you would be CPU limited. That's why 99% of games released for PS5 and Series X have 60fps modes usually as standard. Even games like Starfield, Plague Tale 2 and Flight Simulator were patched with 60fps modes because the games were never limited by the CPU they were simply rushed past optimisation to get them out on time.
No one is going back to 30fps now outside of GTA VI and definitely not next gen because there will be so much CPU&CPU compute you will not have to chose either or. 60fps and 120fps will be the norm even in AAA games that push visuals.
Gonzito
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Honestly, the Hitman games were using the same engine and they never were that impressive in terms of graphics but they are still very well done games
I don't expect IO Interactive to make the best graphics in a game but fun and engaging gameplay with decent graphics quality
I don't expect IO Interactive to make the best graphics in a game but fun and engaging gameplay with decent graphics quality
Toots
Gold Member
Did they just do it or was it a few days ago ?
Im on PS5 pro and after last week update (or maybe it was at the beginning of this week) i found the night time was darker and sunset and sunrise was looking better.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
just now. it was a couple of hours ago and its a setting on pc.
anyasok
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Because peoples standards are dog shit which is why we cannot have nice things
anyasok
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Please no hijab or any of this garbage. What is wrong with the world
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anyasok
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It doesnt look better than even the old 007 games...
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anyasok
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I really dont like these short 30 seconds clip reels format
Polygonal_Sprite
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Not exactly fair as that QB video is typical PR bullshit from the time much like Watch Dogs. That's not to say the final game wasn't amazing looking on a high end PC.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This is a game by a former creative director at Playground Games. So likely a racing title.
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viveks86
Gold Member
Ummm… It's an Indonesian indie studio making Indonesian characters in Indonesia…
Now I'm wondering which of these double posts is the dumber one
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Gonzito
Gold Member
Its crazy how a guy in reddit is reporting the Forza Horizon 6 shitty roads textures and people are mocking him.
The textures in the city are UNACCEPTABLE, period. They shouldn't look like that, specially on pc
The game already has low traffic density, barely any npc in the streets and yet you have to deal with Nintendo 64 textures in the roads. Its ridiculous
The textures in the city are UNACCEPTABLE, period. They shouldn't look like that, specially on pc
The game already has low traffic density, barely any npc in the streets and yet you have to deal with Nintendo 64 textures in the roads. Its ridiculous
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
ive been seeing a lot of tweets fawning over this looking like the best looking most prettiest game ever. It is frustrating to read praise like this because a carbon copy of this game came out just last year and everyone skipped it because of a black lead. I understand the wokeness issue in games, but to see so many gamers skip the best looking games for political reasons is infuriating because there is this sentiment that graphics have peaked or havent improved this generation. Meanwhile gamers are skipping games left and right over perceived wokeness. AC Valhalla sold 20 million. They stopped announcing AC Shadows numbers after 2 million, and posted a $1.3 billion loss last year. That means 90% of the crowd didnt play arguably the best looking game this gen, and a game that is way better than Valhalla in terms of gameplay and exploration.
Now i see people trying to cancel this game for not including cleavage. I wont get into whether its right or wrong to boycott games over stuff like this, but its awful to see incredible work done by artists and programmers go completely ignored.
Gonzito
Gold Member
Censorship is never a good thing man. I will get the game personally, probably paying one month of Ubisoft Plus but I think these practices should be called out when making a remake
ElFenomeno
Member
better than Valhalla is a very low bar. I think people didn't get it cause AC gameplay is bottom of the barrel braindead auto pilot stuff. Main story is bad, side content repetitive, cutscenes / voice acting is bland.
So yeah, I don't think the "black protagonist" turned people off.
viveks86
Gold Member
That's a strawman argument.
The two are not the same. One is objective and the other is subjective.
Prerendered backgrounds can look better than fully modeled 3d backgrounds to this day. But that latter is obviously more advanced. But it's also easy to say the latter looks meh because the console it's running on is too weak to replicate the geometric complexity.
GOW 3 can look better than GOW: Ragnarok, even though the latter is more technically advanced.
Even SSR can look better than RT reflections if it's too noisy due to weak hardware or bad denoising.
And what you, as a PC-first gamer calls "meh" is very different from what I, a console-only gamer calls "meh". That's subjective.
Let's take every major engine out there and tell me how many games were held back by the mere existence of a 60 fps mode?
Anvil & Snowdrop - All have both 30 fps and 60 fps modes. What doesn't make the cut in 60 is always available at 30
RED - Has 30 fps modes. What doesn't make the cut in 60 is available at 30 or even 40 fps.
ID tech - No advancement is left behind in 60 fps mode. Just scaled back. PT is not practical on current gen anyway, so their 60 fps goal didn't hold anything back.
RE Engine - Has all the non-PT advancements within 60 fps modes, just scaled back i.e subjectively looking meh on console
Unreal - Almost all have 30 fps modes as they have barely focused on 60 as a target until recently.
The ones lagging behind are all Sony first party. Insomniac has 30 fps modes with additional features and most of the other haven't even released a current gen-only game yet. I won't even count TLOU Part 1 as that was a side project built by a different studio, likely with a fork of their last gen engine, before ND took over to ship it. And that had multiple modes too. Suffice to say that they are all well behind the curve in terms of tech advancement and that has nothing to do with 60 fps targets.
The "myth" we are talking about is 60 fps somehow holding back the whole generation of consoles. Not whether 60 fps looks worse. Of course it looks worse. Like you said, something will have to give on fixed hardware.
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GudOlRub
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Don't pity Shadows flopping at all. Ubisoft were asking for it when they came up with such a dumb idea. The Japan setting was their "get out of jail" free card and they tore it apart for brownie points...
But I do admit I'm getting tired of all this drama, this cleavage thing in Black Flag is just dumb, coming to GAF daily and seeing a new "is X game wOkE???" thread is also getting tiring, people's brains are completely destroyed from all this rot.
It's like common sense has been thrown out the window and everyone is looking at games just to be upset about them, not to actually enjoy them...
Miserable bunch, the lot of them on "both sides".
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
im pitying the artists and programmers who went out of their way to implement RT, hair physics, destruction, wind physics, and virtualized geometry.
yeah, but the point is that people bought 20 million copies of a bad AC game. They still like that ubisoft slop. And despite its issues, shadows is a much better game set in a much better world to explore with a way better combat system.
GudOlRub
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They're some of the best in the industry. If Ubisoft falls I guarantee you that those people in particular won't struggle to find another gig, or create one of their own like so many seem to do nowadays.
Aren't they bringing the game to switch this time? Not sure "next gen only" matters.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
-"Possibly an optimization measure. Larger amount of textures in busy city = bigger VRAM draw => lower quality texture = less memory draw per texture loaded to VRAM"Its crazy how a guy in reddit is reporting the Forza Horizon 6 shitty roads textures and people are mocking him.
The textures in the city are UNACCEPTABLE, period. They shouldn't look like that, specially on pc
The game already has low traffic density, barely any npc in the streets and yet you have to deal with Nintendo 64 textures in the roads. Its ridiculous
And that is very probably because parity with the console version so they didn't bother to change that for the PC.
Gonzito
Gold Member
-"Possibly an optimization measure. Larger amount of textures in busy city = bigger VRAM draw => lower quality texture = less memory draw per texture loaded to VRAM"
And that is very probably because parity with the console version so they didn't bother to change that for the PC.
Exactly. I have a 4090. Why do I have to play with these console textures?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
the difference in road texture settings between ultra and extreme is massive so they did bring the highest quality textures to PC. they are just not being applied to city streets. likely a bug.-"Possibly an optimization measure. Larger amount of textures in busy city = bigger VRAM draw => lower quality texture = less memory draw per texture loaded to VRAM"
And that is very probably because parity with the console version so they didn't bother to change that for the PC.
archangelmorph
Gold Member
The complete lack of real gameplay deep dives on this game given how long it's been in development, has me seriously worried about its' quality.
anyasok
Member
Ok but its a gross wear that i wouldnt touch under duress.
archangelmorph
Gold Member
Malaysian / Indonesian developer?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
first of all, that demo was downgraded. the final game doesnt look that.
secondly, how can you not see the massive improvement in lighting here? QB looks drab and dull. Bond has light sources coming from everywhere. everything feels alive and well lit in comparison. the asset quality is leagues ahead.
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