The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim PC Performance discussion

I'm going to have my new rig built in day or two. All of this talk about crashes are scaring me.

I haven't experienced hard crashes overall, just a ton of CTDs on my new rig. If CTDs are as bad total crashes, well then I should be more worried I guess.
 
Can people who have the launcher instead of the LAA 1.1 post some impressions on the no-stutter addition that Aeana posted above?
 
It is 1.1. It just updated your TESV.exe. You can restore it or use the newly released 4gb skyrim mod. Check the OP fixes or the mod fixes sections.

We technically haven't had a real patch. We just had our exe's further locked.

Thanks! I'll try that!

So, what was that business about new Radeon drivers? I'm not seeing anything on the official site.
 
Thanks! I'll try that!

So, what was that business about new Radeon drivers? I'm not seeing anything on the official site.

Those are on the AMD/ATI site. Guru3d just makes the downloads 1 click instead of forcing you to go to the site sometimes. I have 11.11a on right now. It's the best driver thus far for ATI users.
 
I wish this game didn't behave like Deus Ex 3 before the patch. If you limit it to 30 FPS, the loading is waaaayyy longer than if there's no limit. They fixed that in a patch in DX3, but I doubt they will here. :\
 
I wish this game didn't behave like Deus Ex 3 before the patch. If you limit it to 30 FPS, the loading is waaaayyy longer than if there's no limit. They fixed that in a patch in DX3, but I doubt they will here. :\

I have the same issue with Battlefield 3.
 
I'm going to have my new rig built in day or two. All of this talk about crashes are scaring me.
I don't doubt people are having issues, but I've not had a single crash in almost 20 hours. Though, I don't fuck with the game at all. I haven't even enabled my kid-killing mod yet.
 
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I'm holding off on most mods until a year from now.

This will be my reaction then. No doubt.

My mind is going crazy thinking of the crazy shit that's going to be done to Skyrim. I'm having so much fun with Vanilla, and still think it looks pretty damn gorgeous. A year from now? MOTHER OF GOD.
 
Hey guys, I obviously have only scanned this 93 page thread, but I don't like what I'm seeing.

I was thinking of finally getting around to purchasing this on Steam.

Most of the problems I've seen the last few pages are AMD cards.

Does this game run well on NVidia cards? I've got i5 2500k, 8gb RAM, and a 1gb 560 ti.

I have that exact same setup and it's running perfectly, constant 60fps (except in cities) and no crashes (with LAA patch and disabling Steam community).
 
I've read through last two pages and can't understand which AMD drivers won't fubar my machine.
 
I've read through last two pages and can't understand which AMD drivers won't fubar my machine.

I installed 11.11a without any issues. Not really any visible improvements from what I can tell, but 2-7% improvement isn't much to begin with. I did it mostly to address stuff listed for RAGE.
 
I installed 11.11a without any issues. Not really any visible improvements from what I can tell, but 2-7% improvement isn't much to begin with. I did it mostly to address stuff listed for RAGE.

Yeah, did my usual clean install (express uninstall of old drivers using Catalyst Install Manager + running Driver Sweeper & CCleaner in safe mode) and haven't had any problems.

Haven't noticed any real improvement too, but aside from having a 4890 1GB my CPU is going to limit any potential benefit from new drivers.
 
Iam going to guess that many of the CTD's have nothing to do with the launcher but general bethesda code.

Yea, who knows really... It really seems like a memory issue, but it's so random that it's really hard to tell...

I've tried this 4gb launcher thing and I've also tried a borderless window mode, I *think* they help.. but it's just too hard to tell.
 
im finally ready.

got all my settings done, driver 11.11a, game runs well many times 60fps, fxaa injector is incredible, toned down the bloom setting to 6. locked cpu cores to two to prevent throttling.

if anyone has a G73 i can help you.
 
I'm holding off on most mods until a year from now.

This will be my reaction then. No doubt.

My mind is going crazy thinking of the crazy shit that's going to be done to Skyrim. I'm having so much fun with Vanilla, and still think it looks pretty damn gorgeous. A year from now? MOTHER OF GOD.
Why? What's wrong with using them now? I guess you wanna get the most out of Vanilla?

This mod is great.

Faster Horse gallop
http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=934#content

use the 1.5x, 2x is too fast imo.
Downloaded.
 
im finally ready.

got all my settings done, driver 11.11a, game runs well many times 60fps, fxaa injector is incredible, toned down the bloom setting to 6. locked cpu cores to two to prevent throttling.

if anyone has a G73 i can help you.

You can use 4 cores. Just use Throttlestop with your G73. I used to have a G73 and Throttlestop works wonders.
 
All I found is the "Timescales modified" mod. Close to what you're asking. http://www.skyrimnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=183

There are four options to choose from.

Cheers mate, that's what I'm looking for. People in the comments section are claiming that slower day/night cycle can also be done via the console commands, anyone tried it? This could potentially fix the shadow movement issues if you set the time to 4-5 hours (or even 1:1 with realtime) instead of the usual 1hr 12min = 24hrs.
 
Yes you can set it by typing 'set timescale to ' then shoving in a value. 1 real life minute = whatever value you enter in in game minutes. Default is 20. You can see the current timescale by typing 'show timescale'. It's better doing it that way then using a mod to do it for you.
 
Is there any way to move the interface in a bit? I want to play this on my 720p HDTV using my Xbox 360 controller... but the TV overscans. I know I can edit the setting in my Nvidia control panel but I'd rather test out a INI edit. Is there any for UI placement?
 
Is there any way to move the interface in a bit? I want to play this on my 720p HDTV using my Xbox 360 controller... but the TV overscans. I know I can edit the setting in my Nvidia control panel but I'd rather test out a INI edit. Is there any for UI placement?

Does your TV not have a "just scan" mode/setting?
 
Is there any way to move the interface in a bit? I want to play this on my 720p HDTV using my Xbox 360 controller... but the TV overscans. I know I can edit the setting in my Nvidia control panel but I'd rather test out a INI edit. Is there any for UI placement?
FWIW, the Nvidia control panel will "remember" your TV overscan settings after the first saved adjustment, so if you switch from monitor to tv in the future it's not too inconvenient.

I'm doing the same thing right now with my 720p Sony CRT.
 
Hey guys, I obviously have only scanned this 93 page thread, but I don't like what I'm seeing.

I was thinking of finally getting around to purchasing this on Steam.

Most of the problems I've seen the last few pages are AMD cards.

Does this game run well on NVidia cards? I've got i5 2500k, 8gb RAM, and a 1gb 560 ti.

Got the same setup as you and I backup what Ledsen has said, runs perfect also 0 crashes so far!
 
Does your TV not have a "just scan" mode/setting?
Nope, not even in the service menu. It's an oldey from early 2007.

FWIW, the Nvidia control panel will "remember" your TV overscan settings after the first saved adjustment, so if you switch from monitor to tv in the future it's not too inconvenient.

I'm doing the same thing right now with my 720p Sony CRT.
OK, let's try it out. I get a lower resolution than 1280x720 but if overscan can't be seen then why render it :)
 
Can anyone recommend some settings to turn down to improve performance? I'm sure there is stuff normal eyes wont care about.

I'm getting 25-60 in cities and indoors. 45-60 outdoors. Wouldn't mind getting the framerate more stable and sacrifice some settings.
 
Can anyone recommend some settings to turn down to improve performance? I'm sure there is stuff normal eyes wont care about.

I'm getting 25-60 in cities and indoors. 45-60 outdoors. Wouldn't mind getting the framerate more stable and sacrifice some settings.
Shadow resolution seems to be the biggest performance hit for me.
 
Can anyone recommend some settings to turn down to improve performance? I'm sure there is stuff normal eyes wont care about.

I'm getting 25-60 in cities and indoors. 45-60 outdoors. Wouldn't mind getting the framerate more stable and sacrifice some settings.

Try those settings for shadows

iBlurDeferredShadowMask=3
fInteriorShadowDistance=2000.0000
fShadowDistance=4000.0000
iShadowSplitCount=2
fShadowLODStartFade=1500.0000
iShadowMode=1
iShadowMapResolution=2048
fShadowBiasScale=0.2500
iShadowMaskQuarter=4
iShadowFilter=2

If You dont care about shadows distance outside and want better quality ones, just change fShadowDistance to 1500. Unfortunately most interiors shadows will suck, but i cant do nothing about this without changing global shadow resolution ;\
 
Can somebody remind me which RadeonPro settings need to be changed to fix the dodgy texture blending/transparency issues? Thanks.

Edit: Never mind, just had to turn off Skyrim's default anti-aliasing.
 
I think 11.7 was the last time I was able to use the Catalyst Control Center. Ever since then, I've been able to update the display driver just fine, but I can't use CCC. I can install it but any time I try to open it, weird artifacts appear on the screen then it goes black. I have to cut the power to turn it off after that.

It's really fucking annoying because CCC has been the only software I've seen so far that lets me change my primary monitor so I can game on my TV. Without CCC, I have to just unplug my DVI cable to force it to make my TV the primary.

Just FYI, windows can do this. Just right click on your desktop, select resolution, and all the monitors you have connected should appear. You can then select which monitor is primary (by right clicking on the monitor) and change how you want them setup with the multiple displays dropbox. Dragging and dropping changes their order (left to right).
 
I'm not sure this is the game's problem, but this game seems much...darker than other games I play. On my TV, at night people's face soften disappear in shadows. Turning up the brightness in game helps, but then during the day everything seems washed out. I know first advice is to calibrate your display, but the TV is pretty well calibrated for all other sources including consoles, movies, television, and other video games.

Oops, sorry for the DP.
 
The skin mods like More Detailed Faces etc must have been messing with my textures because since removing them I have had no more pink armour and black skin. Maybe it will work better now I have the 4gb Skyrim running?
 
I'm not sure this is the game's problem, but this game seems much...darker than other games I play. On my TV, at night people's face soften disappear in shadows. Turning up the brightness in game helps, but then during the day everything seems washed out. I know first advice is to calibrate your display, but the TV is pretty well calibrated for all other sources including consoles, movies, television, and other video games.

Oops, sorry for the DP.

Nvidia or ATI? HDMI connection? If its nvidia, modern nvidia drivers have a HUGE flaw that outputs levels to the TV as 16-235 instead of PC levels of 0-255, the problem with this is 1, your TV is either trying to display at PC levels, meaning anything from 0-15 on the brightness scale has been chopped off and all is being displayed as a dark grey and 2, even if your TV is properly auto detecting limited levels being sent to it, Skyrim is rendering (on the pc) at traditional PC levels, meaning you are losing 15 shades of black and the rest of the spectrum is being "crushed" and you are seeing 0 accurate colors.

To fix this, you need to do an EDID moddification to your drivers. This goes for ALL nvidia user. Using an EDID extractor like Phoenix EDID youd get your TV's edid info,

The easiest way to tell for sure if your TV is affected by this is to go to your nvidia control pannel and look at how your TV is dectected, if its shown as "HDTV" then its being sent limited levels (16-235), if its shown as a PC device of has resolutions listed under "PC" in that resolution list, then its being sent the proper levels (0-255).

Nvidia has known about this problem for THREE effing years, and still refuses to acknowledged it or fix it. ATI fixed it 2 years ago with manual levels selection in there control panel. Nvidia refuses to do it.
 
Try those settings for shadows

iBlurDeferredShadowMask=3
fInteriorShadowDistance=2000.0000
fShadowDistance=4000.0000
iShadowSplitCount=2
fShadowLODStartFade=1500.0000
iShadowMode=1
iShadowMapResolution=2048
fShadowBiasScale=0.2500
iShadowMaskQuarter=4
iShadowFilter=2

If You dont care about shadows distance outside and want better quality ones, just change fShadowDistance to 1500. Unfortunately most interiors shadows will suck, but i cant do nothing about this without changing global shadow resolution ;\

I'll try this before and after. But I feel messing with the shadow settings hasn't given me any fps improvement in the past.
 
Nvidia or ATI? HDMI connection? If its nvidia, modern nvidia drivers have a HUGE flaw that outputs levels to the TV as 16-235 instead of PC levels of 0-255, the problem with this is 1, your TV is either trying to display at PC levels, meaning anything from 0-15 on the brightness scale has been chopped off and all is being displayed as a dark grey and 2, even if your TV is properly auto detecting limited levels being sent to it, Skyrim is rendering (on the pc) at traditional PC levels, meaning you are losing 15 shades of black and the rest of the spectrum is being "crushed" and you are seeing 0 accurate colors.

To fix this, you need to do an EDID moddification to your drivers. This goes for ALL nvidia user. Using an EDID extractor like Phoenix EDID youd get your TV's edid info,

The easiest way to tell for sure if your TV is affected by this is to go to your nvidia control pannel and look at how your TV is dectected, if its shown as "HDTV" then its being sent limited levels (16-235), if its shown as a PC device of has resolutions listed under "PC" in that resolution list, then its being sent the proper levels (0-255).

Nvidia has known about this problem for THREE effing years, and still refuses to acknowledged it or fix it. ATI fixed it 2 years ago with manual levels selection in there control panel. Nvidia refuses to do it.

I am on a 5870 over HDMI, where do I select manual levels in CCC? Under HDTV support they only have resolutions, nothing about brightness.
 
I am on a 5870 over HDMI, where do I select manual levels in CCC? Under HDTV support they only have resolutions, nothing about brightness.

In CCC, there is scaling options for HDTV's. I don't have a pic of it but when I hook up my PC to my Panny Plasma, it says it in CCC. I don't know if your tv is the same but either way, CCC let me choose to fix overscan manually.

SOOO funny, I went on another forum and wasn't even looking for it but this was posted within a day ago. For the future, don't give up. Get in there and mess with things and do it yourself or you will never learn your way around these things. Often times things learned in one app help on others with similar settings too. Good luck.

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In CCC, there is scaling options for HDTV's. I don't have a pic of it but when I hook up my PC to my Panny Plasma, it says it in CCC. I don't know if your tv is the same but either way, CCC let me choose to fix overscan manually.

SOOO funny, I went on another forum and wasn't even looking for it but this was posted within a day ago. For the future, don't give up. Get in there and mess with things and do it yourself or you will never learn your way around these things. Often times things learned in one app help on others with similar settings too. Good luck.

I was looking for how to edit the black levels, not scaling. I can change brightness under desktop color, but was wondering if that is the same as changing black levels.
 
here is more information on how to fix the nvidia hdtv edid problem if you experiance it: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=216099


Of all the homes I've been in with HTPC gaming computers and nvidia cards, ALL of them experienced this problem. Just no one ever seemed to notice till i showed them the fixed problem and suddenly blacks where black, whites where white, and everything looked perfect on screen.

and here is one for ATI, seems the latest CAT drivers may have removed reference level switches: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1289487


ATI's old drivers allowed for this type of configuration:
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as I no longer have an ATI card I have no way of seeing whats new and not. If it still has that type of selection you want Full RGB
 
I was looking for how to edit the black levels, not scaling. I can change brightness under desktop color, but was wondering if that is the same as changing black levels.

Oh, sorry, I was totally reading it wrong or reading the other forum altogether. I'm reading a lot ><
 
here is more information on how to fix the nvidia hdtv edid problem if you experiance it: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=216099


Of all the homes I've been in with HTPC gaming computers and nvidia cards, ALL of them experienced this problem. Just no one ever seemed to notice till i showed them the fixed problem and suddenly blacks where black, whites where white, and everything looked perfect on screen.

and here is one for ATI, seems the latest CAT drivers may have removed reference level switches: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1289487


ATI's old drivers allowed for this type of configuration: http://img.techpowerup.org/081113/Capture003.jpg
as I no longer have an ATI card I have no way of seeing whats new and not. If it still has that type of selection you want Full RGB
First thing I noticed when I switched from ATI to Nvidia a month or two ago. The Nvidia drivers will not let me switch to 0-255 over HDMI with common HDTV resolutions. My problems are solved by now, but it's still unacceptable how such a small feature (full/limited switch) is not correctly implemented in the drivers/control panel. And now ATI removed the switches as well? In the age where HDTVs are commonly used with PCs you can only wonder; what the hell is up with those driver teams?! Seriously infuriating.

Such a simple thing that can totally mess up your picture quality if not set correctly. And they decide to restrict the user from setting it up properly...
 
here is more information on how to fix the nvidia hdtv edid problem if you experiance it: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=216099


Of all the homes I've been in with HTPC gaming computers and nvidia cards, ALL of them experienced this problem. Just no one ever seemed to notice till i showed them the fixed problem and suddenly blacks where black, whites where white, and everything looked perfect on screen.

and here is one for ATI, seems the latest CAT drivers may have removed reference level switches: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1289487


ATI's old drivers allowed for this type of configuration:
Capture003.jpg


as I no longer have an ATI card I have no way of seeing whats new and not. If it still has that type of selection you want Full RGB

So basically my GTX 560Ti is doing 16-235 automatically? That's fucked up, can't say I've noticed it though. So after doing this, how do i make sure my TV (Panasonic G20) is set to 0-255?
 
Anyone know of anywhere that i can get some nice custom settings for FXAA injector? mainly for the colour grading, the default sharpening effect is way too strong so ive pulled that back a bit but would love to see some sort of site with a selection of configs and the effect they have on the visuals :)
 
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