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[ConfusingJazz]

Let's wait until the end of the year and come back to this..

Why in the hell would you preach patience in college football? Everything that is happening now is the most important thing now. Why else do schools get credit for beating a ranked team early in the season before we know if that ranked team is overrated or not?

 

[andycapps]

Fitting comic for this week.

 

[KingGondo]

Why in the hell would you preach patience in college football? Everything that is happening now is the most important thing now. Why else do schools get credit for beating a ranked team early in the season before we know if that ranked team is overrated or not?

ESPN still lists "at #13 Florida" as one of Bama's marquee wins on BCS Countdown. :jnc

 

[Jay Sosa]

Temple

Then it's gotta be them!

 

[bluemax]

I'm surprised Mack would stay on. But he's always classy, especially in defeat.

Joke post?

Why isn't Houston vs Tulsa a pick em? It should be a close game.

Because I glossed over it when looking at things on Sunday.

 

[andycapps]

ESPN still lists "at #13 Florida" as one of Bama's marquee wins on BCS Countdown. :jnc

ESPN still lists Okie Lite as having wins over ranked UT and aTm teams. This happens every year.

 

[KingGondo]

ESPN still lists Okie Lite as having wins over ranked UT and aTm teams. This happens every year.

Still, our resumé is WAY more impressive than Bama's. Our loss is worse, but at least it was on the road on a short week.

P.S. UT is still ranked in some polls.

 

[SyNapSe]

Sagarin's overall SOS rankings:

Kansas 1
Missouri 2
Texas A&M 3
Baylor 4
Kansas State 5
Oklahoma 6
Oklahoma State 7
Iowa State 8
Texas 9
Texas Tech 10

Bow down, inferior conferences.

I'll email this to Turner Gill. Perhaps, he can use it to get a new job torpedoing someone else's program. If Pinkel doesnt feel like coaching in the SEC I'd write one hell of a recommendation for Gill to take over at Mizzou.

 

[Cyan]

Joke post?

He puts the "ass" in "classy."

 

[ConfusingJazz]

P.S. UT is still ranked in some polls.

I chalk that up to people just not giving a shit after the first 20 teams.

 

[Chris R]

Week 13 Pick'em Games

Texas @ Texas A&M by 10
Arkansas @ LSU by 14

Spoiler

BCS Spoiler Special

Iowa @ Nebraska by 14
Georgia @ Georgia Tech by 10
Michigan State @ Northwestern by 24
Ohio State @ Michigan by 10
Tennessee @ Kentucky by 3
Alabama @ Auburn by 7
Oregon State @ Oregon by 10
Virginia Tech @ Virginia by 10
Penn State @ Wisconsin by 3
Florida State @ Florida by 14
Clemson @ South Carolina by 10
Notre Dame @ Stanford by 21
UCLA @ USC by 14

 

[andycapps]

I chalk that up to people just not giving a shit after the first 20 teams.

Same, don't really count them as a ranked team as they're #25 in some polls and they have 4 losses.

Still, our resumé is WAY more impressive than Bama's. Our loss is worse, but at least it was on the road on a short week.

I wouldn't worry about it. Take care of business against OU and it will work itself out.

 

[verbum]

Sagarin's overall SOS rankings:

Kansas 1
Missouri 2
Texas A&M 3
Baylor 4
Kansas State 5
Oklahoma 6
Oklahoma State 7
Iowa State 8
Texas 9
Texas Tech 10

Bow down, inferior conferences.

I think "SOS" is a signal for needing help.

 

[krzy123]

I think Stanford would have a more compelling resumé, personally. But if VT beats Clemson in the ACC Championship Game (their only previous loss), they would probably be right there. Unless Oregon loses another game, Stanford won't have another chance to impress voters after next week like VT will.

I'm not saying we deserve consideration, but we'll never get in over a one loss stanford if it came down do it. Thats just the facts.

and 2007 was a conspiracy so that the bcs wouldn't look like a joke! j/k or am i ...

 

[andycapps]

I'm not saying we deserve consideration, but we'll never get in over a one loss stanford if it came down do it. Thats just the facts.

and 2007 was a conspiracy so that the bcs wouldn't look like a joke! j/k or am i ...

 

[Lonestar]

Still, our resumé is WAY more impressive than Bama's. Our loss is worse, but at least it was on the road on a short week.

P.S. UT is still ranked in some polls.

I disagree, unless you're basing it on Mini Boise's Tulsa and LaLa having inflated records for beating their C-USA and Sunbelt opponents.

Just taking the BCS conference opponent records, Alabama's 8 opponents have a record of 53-35 (.602) to OSU's 9 opponents record of 50-46 (.520) Even taking away OSU's worst BCS opponent of 2-9 Kansas, it becomes 48-37 (.564).

Now, I'm sure the SEC is inflated, for reasons long bitched about. But the swing the other direction isn't THAT large.

"WAY more impressive" is an egregious statement. Closer to Even is more like it.

 

[JCX]

Texas @ Texas A&M by 14
Arkansas @ LSU by 4
Iowa @ Nebraska by 7
Georgia @ Georgia Tech by 10
Michigan State @ Northwestern by 7
Ohio State @ Michigan by 14
Tennessee @ Kentucky by 7
Alabama @ Auburn by 20
Oregon State @ Oregon by 17
Virginia Tech @ Virginia by 7
Penn State @ Wisconsin by 10
Florida State @ Florida by 7
Clemson @ South Carolina by 7
Notre Dame @ Stanford by 7
UCLA @ USC by 21

 

[Ganhyun]

I disagree, unless you're basing it on Mini Boise's Tulsa and LaLa having inflated records for beating their C-USA and Sunbelt opponents.

Just taking the BCS conference opponent records, Alabama's 8 opponents have a record of 53-35 (.602) to OSU's 9 opponents record of 50-46 (.520) Even taking away OSU's worst BCS opponent of 2-9 Kansas, it becomes 48-37 (.564).

Now, I'm sure the SEC is inflated, for reasons long bitched about. But the swing the other direction isn't THAT large.

"WAY more impressive" is an egregious statement. Closer to Even is more like it.

Get your logic out of here

 

[andycapps]

I disagree, unless you're basing it on Mini Boise's Tulsa and LaLa having inflated records for beating their C-USA and Sunbelt opponents.

Just taking the BCS conference opponent records, Alabama's 8 opponents have a record of 53-35 (.602) to OSU's 9 opponents record of 50-46 (.520) Even taking away OSU's worst BCS opponent of 2-9 Kansas, it becomes 48-37 (.564).

Now, I'm sure the SEC is inflated, for reasons long bitched about. But the swing the other direction isn't THAT large.

"WAY more impressive" is an egregious statement. Closer to Even is more like it.

Yeah, 1, 2, and 3 are inflated, but I guarantee that the Big 12 is overrated as it stands today.

 

[mre]

Still, our resumé is WAY more impressive than Bama's. Our loss is worse, but at least it was on the road on a short week.

P.S. UT is still ranked in some polls.

I see you trollin'.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Interesting "What If? scenario from Pat Forde:
Pretty plausible for the most part.

The problem with this is that OSU was destined to get caught with NCAA violations at some point down the road. So, if not Pryor ... someone else was going to get nabbed. Too much crooked shit had been going on for the past decade in Columbus that almost blew up.

Really, OSU probably would have gotten through this if it weren't for the Columbus Dispatch (and Yahoo sports to a lesser degree) really drudging up the shit and printing it.



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I'm kind of hoping that Michigan spanks OSU and rubs their face in it a bit. Infuse a little bit of spark into a rivalry that has been kind of dead for the past 4-5 years.

 

[Lonestar]

Even going as far as not counting the record of the team that beat you, even though 11-0 LSU is way more excusable of a loss than 6-4 Iowa State, Alabama's 42-35 (.54) to OSU's 44-42 (.51). Finally, once again taking away 2-9 Kansas, does OSU have a slightly better output, of 42-33 (.560)

 

[KingGondo]

I disagree, unless you're basing it on Mini Boise's Tulsa and LaLa having inflated records for beating their C-USA and Sunbelt opponents.

Just taking the BCS conference opponent records, Alabama's 8 opponents have a record of 53-35 (.602) to OSU's 9 opponents record of 50-46 (.520) Even taking away OSU's worst BCS opponent of 2-9 Kansas, it becomes 48-37 (.564).

Now, I'm sure the SEC is inflated, for reasons long bitched about. But the swing the other direction isn't THAT large.

"WAY more impressive" is an egregious statement. Closer to Even is more like it.

Bama's best wins are at Penn State, Arkansas, and at Florida. PSU has no offense whatsoever and UF turned out to be way down this year. Arky is a nice win. On the other hand, the Tide managed to avoid USCe and UGA, the east's two best teams. Their non-conference schedule consisted of Kent State, North Texas, and an FCS school. Bama has played 4 teams with a winning record if you include Georgia Southern, and lost one (to LSU at home).

While U-LaLa and Tulsa might not be worldbeaters, they've proven to be quality teams in their conferences. KSU is having a nice year, and we went on the road and beat Aggy, UT, and Mizzou. We curbstomped both Baylor and Tech, two teams that our defense was supposed to struggle defending. Even if you think the Big 12 is overrated (and I agree that they are in the computer rankings), you can't seriously argue that top-to-bottom our schedule wasn't way tougher than Bama's.

Bama's schedule is quite shockingly weak. It's not necessarily their fault, but when you combine our resume (assuming we get a win over OU) and the fact that LSU already beat Bama at home, I think a lot of pollsters will be sympathetic to our cause.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Even going as far as not counting the record of the team that beat you, even though 11-0 LSU is way more excusable of a loss than 6-4 Iowa State, Alabama's 42-35 (.54) to OSU's 44-42 (.51). Finally, once again taking away 2-9 Kansas, does OSU have a slightly better output, of 42-33 (.560)

Potentially actually winning their conference has to count for something too. Instead of, you know, possibly not even winning your division and/or conference. But of course, there is more football to be played and more BS to be had.

 

[andycapps]

I see you trollin'.

He needs to adapt an Okie Lite avatar to be like mine.

 

[Limedust]

Any way we can erase a couple of victories between Auburn and Texas so they can meet at Legion Field to end the season?

 

[andycapps]

Bama's best wins are at Penn State, Arkansas, and at Florida. PSU has no offense whatsoever and UF turned out to be way down this year. Arky is a nice win. On the other hand, the Tide managed to avoid USCe and UGA, the east's two best teams. Their non-conference schedule consisted of Kent State, North Texas, and an FCS school. Bama has played 4 teams with a winning record if you include Georgia Southern, and lost one (to LSU at home).

While U-LaLa and Tulsa might not be worldbeaters, they've proven to be quality teams in their conferences. KSU is having a nice year, and we went on the road and beat Aggy, UT, and Mizzou. We curbstomped both Baylor and Tech, two teams that our defense was supposed to struggle defending. Even if you think the Big 12 is overrated (and I agree that they are in the computer rankings), you can't seriously argue that top-to-bottom our schedule wasn't way tougher than Bama's.

Bama's schedule is quite shockingly weak. It's not necessarily their fault, but when you combine our resume (assuming we get a win over OU) and the fact that LSU already beat Bama at home, I think a lot of pollsters will be sympathetic to our cause.

That's all that needs to happen. Take care of business and you'll be in the title game, IMO.

 

[KingGondo]

That's all that needs to happen. Take care of business and you'll be in the title game, IMO.

Believe me, I'm not at all confident about Bedlam considering the series' overall and recent history.

But you might be right. If we manage to blow OU out, I might even call our chances "likely." still need LSU to beat Arky, though.

 

[andycapps]

Believe me, I'm not at all confident about Bedlam considering the series' overall and recent history.

But you might be right. If we manage to blow OU out, I might even call our chances "likely." still need LSU to beat Arky, though.

Well wait.. If LSU beats Arky, then Arky represents the West in the title game. Then it would be Arkansas playing Georgia, which I think is a good matchup for Georgia. Much better than LSU. But say that Arkansas wins, you guys would still be in if you beat OU. Even if LSU wins against Arky and got beaten by UGA, you'd still be in if you win out.

It comes back to OSU needing to focus on their games and not worry about the SEC.

 

[xeris]

Texas @ Texas A&M by 14
Arkansas @ LSU by 4
Iowa @ Nebraska by 4
Georgia @ Georgia Tech by 10
Michigan State @ Northwestern by 7
Ohio State @ Michigan by 7
Tennessee @ Kentucky by 7
Alabama @ Auburn by 14
Oregon State @ Oregon by 20
Virginia Tech @ Virginia by 7
Penn State @ Wisconsin by 10
Florida State @ Florida by 7
Clemson @ South Carolina by 7
Notre Dame @ Stanford by 7
UCLA @ USC by 21

 

[KingGondo]

Well wait.. If LSU beats Arky, then Arky represents the West in the title game. Then it would be Arkansas playing Georgia, which I think is a good matchup for Georgia. Much better than LSU. But say that Arkansas wins, you guys would still be in if you beat OU. Even if LSU wins against Arky and got beaten by UGA, you'd still be in if you win out.

It comes back to OSU needing to focus on their games and not worry about the SEC.

Well, we'll know what the scenarios are by the time we play OU since it isn't for two weeks.

My main concern is that LSU losing would really muddle the picture in the top 3, especially if Bama beats Auburn as expected.

The most predictable scenarios for us to get in are: 1) LSU beats Arky, Auburn beats Bama, we beat OU; and 2) Bama beats Auburn, LSU beats Arky, we beat OU and then pass Bama to be #2 in the BCS. Beyond that, nobody can predict what might happen.

 

[andycapps]

Well, we'll know what the scenarios are by the time we play OU since it isn't for two weeks.

My main concern is that LSU losing would really muddle the picture in the top 3, especially if Bama beats Auburn as expected.

The most predictable scenarios for us to get in are: 1) LSU beats Arky, Auburn beats Bama, we beat OU; and 2) Bama beats Auburn, LSU beats Arky, we beat OU and then pass Bama to be #2 in the BCS. Beyond that, nobody can predict what might happen.

I suggest putting your money on LSU and Arky, if anything. There is almost no way that Auburn beats Bama. If UGA can destroy them in every phase of the game, I'm pretty sure Bama can too.

 

[Lonestar]

Bama's best wins are at Penn State, Arkansas, and at Florida. PSU has no offense whatsoever and UF turned out to be way down this year. Arky is a nice win. On the other hand, the Tide managed to avoid USCe and UGA, the east's two best teams. Their non-conference schedule consisted of Kent State, North Texas, and an FCS school. Bama has played 4 teams with a winning record if you include Georgia Southern, and lost one (to LSU at home).

While U-LaLa and Tulsa might not be worldbeaters, they've proven to be quality teams in their conferences. KSU is having a nice year, and we went on the road and beat Aggy, UT, and Mizzou. We curbstomped both Baylor and Tech, two teams that our defense was supposed to struggle defending. Even if you think the Big 12 is overrated (and I agree that they are in the computer rankings), you can't seriously argue that top-to-bottom our schedule wasn't way tougher than Bama's.

Bama's schedule is quite shockingly weak. It's not necessarily their fault, but when you combine our resume (assuming we get a win over OU) and the fact that LSU already beat Bama at home, I think a lot of pollsters will be sympathetic to our cause.

You mention Alabama not playing 9-2 UGA and USCe, but fail to notice that they also did not play Alabama. 9-2 UGA did not play Alabama, LSU, or Arkansas. USCe did not play LSU or Alabama. While Vandy played Alabama & Arkansas, Florida played Alabama & LSU, and UT played all 3.

Is Penn State not still "in the hunt" for it's conference title? Better shape than Arizona.

If Alabama manages to beat Auburn, there's another "winning record" opponent. Add on UT and Vandy having a shot to finish 6-6! Doing as well as Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Iowa State!

So no, I don't see this incredibly more difficult schedule. I see the same damn schedule. Except OSU hasn't played it's "LSU" yet, and Alabama has.

Well wait.. If LSU beats Arky, then Arky represents the West in the title game. Then it would be Arkansas playing Georgia, which I think is a good matchup for Georgia. Much better than LSU. But say that Arkansas wins, you guys would still be in if you beat OU. Even if LSU wins against Arky and got beaten by UGA, you'd still be in if you win out.

It comes back to OSU needing to focus on their games and not worry about the SEC.

This is not a sure thing either ( I also assume you meant Arky beats LSU) because it depends on how far LSU falls. Falls a spot to 2nd, Arky goes to Atlanta. Falls to third, Alabama goes to Atlanta.

Limedust: If Texas loses to Baylor and A&M, Legion Field is in play!

 

[venne]

I don't think you should be eligible to play in the championship game if you don't win your conference. Reminds me of tOSU - Michigan in '06. Sorry, you had your chance on the field.

 

[ascii42]

I don't think you should be eligible to play in the championship game if you don't win your conference. Reminds me of tOSU - Michigan in '06. Sorry, you had your chance on the field.

Normally I agree, but let's say LSU loses and Alabama wins this weekend. Then we have three teams with equal records. Only one can make the SEC championship. If the one that gets to go blows their chance, should the other two be punished for not getting the opportunity?

 

[andycapps]

This is not a sure thing either ( I also assume you meant Arky beats LSU) because it depends on how far LSU falls. Falls a spot to 2nd, Arky goes to Atlanta. Falls to third, Alabama goes to Atlanta.

Yeah, I meant the scenario of Arky beating LSU. I forgot about the 3 way tie thing and how complicated it gets.

UGA is in a bad spot right now with Crowell being injured again. Had a 300 pound lineman fall on his ankle and sprained it shortly into the Kentucky game. Really need him to be back for the championship game and be 100% if we have any chance. Ball control and run game is obviously very important for our play-action offense. The question for the coaches this week will be whether to play him in the GA Tech game. If he plays, he wouldn't be 100%. If it were my decision I'd play him if the trainers clear him and just take it really easy on him. If we get a comfortable lead (big if), he should go ahead and hit the ice and let our backups take all the hits.

What happened early in the UK game this last week was we had #1 and #2 guys out, and our line wasn't run blocking well at the beginning so we became one dimensional and they could double team all the receivers. The coaches may have also been looking ahead to the GA Tech game since it's a pretty rare offense in college and requires a lot of prep time. I'm going to say it now, I hate cut blocks and they should be banned. Also, I hate GA Tech.

But if UK can stop the run with our #3 and #4 RB's out there, Bama or LSU would easily be able to do that and it would be a really long day.

 

[Lonestar]

If only LSU had beaten Alabama by 7+ in regulation. If only Oregon and OU hadn't lost twice. If only Boise made that FG.

If only there was a Conference Champion only rule.

If only...

I hate cut blocks and they should be banned. Also, I hate GA Tech.

Yeah, they aren't that great, that FCS team was a triple option/wishbone team. Lots of cut blocking, and I think that might have been what tore Will Lowery's ACL.

 

[Garryk]

This is not a sure thing either ( I also assume you meant Arky beats LSU) because it depends on how far LSU falls. Falls a spot to 2nd, Arky goes to Atlanta. Falls to third, Alabama goes to Atlanta.

According to ESPN mathemagicians, even if Arkansas beats LSU they will stay at #3 and Bama+LSU will swap rankings.

 

[sonycowboy]

Bama's best wins are at Penn State, Arkansas, and at Florida. PSU has no offense whatsoever and UF turned out to be way down this year. Arky is a nice win. On the other hand, the Tide managed to avoid USCe and UGA, the east's two best teams. Their non-conference schedule consisted of Kent State, North Texas, and an FCS school. Bama has played 4 teams with a winning record if you include Georgia Southern, and lost one (to LSU at home).

While U-LaLa and Tulsa might not be worldbeaters, they've proven to be quality teams in their conferences. KSU is having a nice year, and we went on the road and beat Aggy, UT, and Mizzou. We curbstomped both Baylor and Tech, two teams that our defense was supposed to struggle defending. Even if you think the Big 12 is overrated (and I agree that they are in the computer rankings), you can't seriously argue that top-to-bottom our schedule wasn't way tougher than Bama's.

Bama's schedule is quite shockingly weak. It's not necessarily their fault, but when you combine our resume (assuming we get a win over OU) and the fact that LSU already beat Bama at home, I think a lot of pollsters will be sympathetic to our cause.

If ~Bama wins and you win convincingly, I think there might be a chance, but more and more I think Bama goes for 2 reasons.

1) OSU lost as a 4 touchdown favorite and really choked that game away.
2) Bama's only loss and, in fact, only non complete blowout win was to the consensus #1 team, by 3 points in overtime with 4 missed field goals.

 

[Ganhyun]

Well wait.. If LSU beats Arky, then Arky represents the West in the title game. Then it would be Arkansas playing Georgia, which I think is a good matchup for Georgia. Much better than LSU. But say that Arkansas wins, you guys would still be in if you beat OU. Even if LSU wins against Arky and got beaten by UGA, you'd still be in if you win out.

It comes back to OSU needing to focus on their games and not worry about the SEC.

If LSU beats Arky, then its LSU vs UGA in the SEC Title game.

Arky needs to beat LSU and have Bama lose to play UGA for the SEC Title.

 

[venne]

Normally I agree, but let's say LSU loses and Alabama wins this weekend. Then we have three teams with equal records. Only one can make the SEC championship. If the one that gets to go blows their chance, should the other two be punished for not getting the opportunity?

Kind of reminds me of 2008 when Texas and Oklahoma had the same records and only one could go to the BCS championship. Fun fact, the team that won the head to head game didn't get in.

It seems really lame to have another conference championship after the conference championship.

 

[Plinko]

According to ESPN mathemagicians, even if Arkansas beats LSU they will stay at #3 and Bama+LSU will swap rankings.

That makes absolutely no sense and would be infuriating.

 

[Ganhyun]

If we want to keep bringing up the whole "didn't even win their division" thing, UGA had the same issue a few years back when they ended up thumping Hawaii in their bowl game.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

If we want to keep bringing up the whole "didn't even win their division" thing, UGA had the same issue a few years back when they ended up thumping Hawaii in their bowl game.

Was it the MNC?

 

[ConfusingJazz]

If we want to keep bringing up the whole "didn't even win their division" thing, UGA had the same issue a few years back when they ended up thumping Hawaii in their bowl game.

In the Sugar Bowl, not the National Championship game.

 

[NihonTiger90]

According to ESPN mathemagicians, even if Arkansas beats LSU they will stay at #3 and Bama+LSU will swap rankings.

WHAT THE SHIT

 

[GoldenEye 007]

WHAT THE SHIT

If that actually happens... man oh man oh man. But I would think the human component would keep the computers in check.....

 

[andycapps]

If we want to keep bringing up the whole "didn't even win their division" thing, UGA had the same issue a few years back when they ended up thumping Hawaii in their bowl game.

Yeah I've been talking about that for a while now. Alabama shouldn't be in the title game if they don't go to the SEC Championship.

 

[Ganhyun]

Was it the MNC?

Well, UGA was trying to get into the MNC at the time, and ESPN had people furiously yelling that UGA didnt deserve to go to the MNC since they didnt win their division.

 

[KingGondo]

I suggest putting your money on LSU and Arky, if anything. There is almost no way that Auburn beats Bama. If UGA can destroy them in every phase of the game, I'm pretty sure Bama can too.

Definitely not counting on Auburn winning.

If ~Bama wins and you win convincingly, I think there might be a chance, but more and more I think Bama goes for 2 reasons.

1) OSU lost as a 4 touchdown favorite and really choked that game away.
2) Bama's only loss and, in fact, only non complete blowout win was to the consensus #1 team, by 3 points in overtime with 4 missed field goals.

We basically have to try and beat OU as convincingly as possible, hope that VT and Stanford don't take any of our 3rd or 2nd-place human votes (we'll be unanimous #2 in the computers), and hope that the sentiment to crown the champ of one of the two best conferences and avoid a rematch overrides the "traditional SEC power" factor.

If we had "SOONERS" on our jerseys instead of "COWBOYS," I would't be nearly as worried.