NeoGAF Fantasy Football Paypal League (Season 3)
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My expectation is that McFadden doesn't see the field so long as the Raiders have a game in hand on the rest of the AFC West unless he's 100% healthy.
Clearly he's not playing this week against Chicago. The Bears are only .500 on the road and will be travelling out west with Caleb Hanie getting his first career start.
Meanwhile, Team Tebow draws the AWFUL Chargers in San Diego at the exact same time.
I suppose it's reasonable to assume that Run DMC would play in Miami in Week 13 if the Broncos win and the Raiders lose this Sunday... regardless of health. Especially if the Fish are riding a 4-game win streak after beating the Cowboys on Turkey Day. But so many other scenarios could play out as well.
The Frankman
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I clearly misread the 16-team format and gambled on my 1st rounder, putting too much faith in my ability to trade for what I need. Losing my starting RB also hurt... nevermind my SOS (Toughest in the league currently).
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That was kind of the understanding but I'm already seeing recently dropped players as under waivers through November 30th so that's clearly not what's in effect right now.
The Frankman
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Hey Cloudy/Crazymoogle wanna get on that waiver thing?
sf2fanatic
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Need some D help in 2 leagues
League 1:
Dallas D vs Miami
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Houston D vs Jaxville
League 2:
ATL D vs Min
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Det D vs GB
League 1:
Dallas D vs Miami
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Houston D vs Jaxville
League 2:
ATL D vs Min
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Det D vs GB
Crazymoogle
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Wait, I'm the only guy who thought so poorly of AP after hearing about the high ankle sprain? Hmm. Well, really shallow pickups week anyway...
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Technically when you're 8th in waiver priority there's a possibility that eight other people also had Toby Gerhart on their claim list behind you.
So that "only guy" angle doesn't exactly fly.
Crazymoogle
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Technically when you're 8th in waiver priority there's a possibility that eight other people also had Toby Gerhart on their claim list behind you.
So that "only guy" angle doesn't exactly fly.
(sigh collecting too many RBs again)
Crazymoogle
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Neckbeard is just for teams without a top 5 QB or Tebow.
I wish I had picked up Tebow though. No problem playing him every week the rest of the way...
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Orton's kind of a wash seeing how he's likely to either end up starting for Kansas City (which has a crap passing sched until Week 15) or backing up Caleb Hanie in Chicago (who's got a good enough schedule he may wind up keeping the job even though Martz hates his guts).
It's a shame the Rams are married to Bradford because Orton would do wonderful things reunited with McDaniels and Lloyd in St. Louis.
Nothing wrong with stockpiling RBs heading into the fantasy playoff season (if only to keep them away from your competition).
Although, let's face it... those guys are all fighting amongst each other for flex status at best because there's no way barring injury you're moving Foster or Murray out of your starting lineup. Hell, you'll be hard-pressed to move Tate from your lineup with the Texans running 40-50 times per game going forward.
You've got a proverbial crapshoot going on with your WR2 slot right now. Have fun with that.
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I feel a lot better about my matchup with Hookers And Blow tomorrow now that Fred Jackson has hit Injured Reserve.
It's a tough break for Azwethinkweiz' 7-4 team as his year has been almost entirely carried on the shoulders of Rodgers, Gore, FJax and Bowe. His only other running back is Steven Jackson's handcuff.
It's a tough break for Azwethinkweiz' 7-4 team as his year has been almost entirely carried on the shoulders of Rodgers, Gore, FJax and Bowe. His only other running back is Steven Jackson's handcuff.
Something Wicked
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So Fred Jackson is done for the season now...
I had a dream team going early in the year:
QB: Drew Brees
RB: Ray Rice
RB: Ahmad Bradshaw
RB/WR: Fred Jackson
WR: Kenny Britt
WR: Marques Colston
TE: Rob Gronkowski
D: Patriots (yeah, that was my initial weak spot)
K: Billy Cundiff
Though, I had shitty depth, with the exception of Santana Moss.
So, Colston gets hurt in the 1st game and is out for a few weeks- not too bad, as I had Moss to replace him.
Britt goes down for the season- fuck, though I eventually pick up the Texans' D, Victor Cruz, and Torrey Smith, since I was weak on D and WR. While Cruz has turned out fairly well, being in 1st for a good chunk of the season really hurt my waiver pick-up potential.
Moss goes down, though might be back this week. Bradshaw goes down, not sure if he's coming back. And now, Jackson is out for the season... I'm still 8-3 on my fantasy season, and have already clinched a playoff spot, but fuck, it looks like I'm going to be limping into the playoffs when I could have had a super team blazing towards the championship... Feels bad man.
I had a dream team going early in the year:
QB: Drew Brees
RB: Ray Rice
RB: Ahmad Bradshaw
RB/WR: Fred Jackson
WR: Kenny Britt
WR: Marques Colston
TE: Rob Gronkowski
D: Patriots (yeah, that was my initial weak spot)
K: Billy Cundiff
Though, I had shitty depth, with the exception of Santana Moss.
So, Colston gets hurt in the 1st game and is out for a few weeks- not too bad, as I had Moss to replace him.
Britt goes down for the season- fuck, though I eventually pick up the Texans' D, Victor Cruz, and Torrey Smith, since I was weak on D and WR. While Cruz has turned out fairly well, being in 1st for a good chunk of the season really hurt my waiver pick-up potential.
Moss goes down, though might be back this week. Bradshaw goes down, not sure if he's coming back. And now, Jackson is out for the season... I'm still 8-3 on my fantasy season, and have already clinched a playoff spot, but fuck, it looks like I'm going to be limping into the playoffs when I could have had a super team blazing towards the championship... Feels bad man.
I can illustrate one issue I have with waiver systems with an example from one league where I'm actually doing very well.
I'm in 2nd place, but this week I've got an injured McFadden, an injured Bradshaw, and an injured Maclin, and I'm going up with a team with DeMarco Murray, Crabtree, and Kevin Smith.
If you're doing really well in a league where people are actually serious about waivers, you can future-shocked towards the end of the year if your players go down, since it's tough to replenish your bench when you're picking 11th out of 12 guys.
I'm in 2nd place, but this week I've got an injured McFadden, an injured Bradshaw, and an injured Maclin, and I'm going up with a team with DeMarco Murray, Crabtree, and Kevin Smith.
If you're doing really well in a league where people are actually serious about waivers, you can future-shocked towards the end of the year if your players go down, since it's tough to replenish your bench when you're picking 11th out of 12 guys.
Crazymoogle
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It's more crap than shoot.
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I've routinely hated "reverse order of standings" waiver priority as it invariably punishes fantasy owners who play well.
Sure, it sets up situations where someone like minx88 can make a late-season run but more often than not it forces an owner in a situation like yours to effectively have to "predict" ideal free agents before they go off so you have enough bench depth to withstand the inevitable injuries/poor weeks. You need to get lucky with the Jackie Battles and Vincent Browns before they have fantasy impact and that's easier said than done for a lot of people.
I'm 9-2 in a league right now where the waiver priority is constant and with a hard cap of 25 moves for the entire season. Because my team has been so strong, I've been able to coast with my existing lineup and I'm now 2nd in waiver priority this week and can easily have my pick from Kevin Smith, C.J. Spiller or Toby Gerhart. Free agent auction bidding (FAAB) waivers also allow the strong teams to boost their depth when & where necessary and not be punished because of their good fortune & success.
The Frankman
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I just want to state even with half my WR core going down and my starting RB losinig his job I plan to kick Puddles' roody poo candyass from pillar to post for his horrible breach of etiquette a few weeks ago.
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Which breach was this? My short-term memory doesn't go that far back.
It's somewhat of an interesting situation right now given that a number of teams at the top of the standings are struggling with bench depth heading into the fantasy playoffs. I noted Hookers And Blow earlier due to FJax being shut down. FPL has been either hot or cold all season and just lost ADP for a couple weeks along with DJax. The entire Chargers franchise has been called out on ESPN for fantasy underperfomance which does not bode well for Cloudy.
Whether struggling or not, I can guarantee you that none of the playoff teams want to face a Texans-loaded Bail Kings or a hot TD's 'N Beer team on a 5-game tear should they break into the Top 8 over the next two weeks. Clearly that's THE matchup to watch starting tomorrow - both teams field a number of Cowboys and start both their defenses to kick off their 4-day confrontation.
The teams at the top of the leaderboard should be thinking strategically, mapping out likely Week 14 playoff opponent scenarios and then making some very tough decisions. In some cases, it may be better to LOSE now in order to WIN later. We've seen similar scenarios play out in the NFL where playoff-bound teams bench their starters/field weak lineups deliberately to let weaker teams into the playoffs and when you've got half the team field making the cut that mentality is bound to come into play here as well.
I got a trade proposal, a cancellation, and a second trade proposal within a five minute span, and both proposals sucked, so I posted them in the thread. Frankman blew a gasket, so I edited the post.
Azwethinkweiz
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I just want to state, for the record, that I tried to get another defense but they were all on waivers until after the game was played. So HA!
It hurt me to do this but I just adjusted Sinistar's lineup to replace Parker and Morris with Law Firm and Baldwin giving him a much better chance to beat me. No one can say I haven't been consistent
edit: I'm assuming he just forgot to check his lineup. He hasn't abandoned the team or anything
edit: I'm assuming he just forgot to check his lineup. He hasn't abandoned the team or anything
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What if Morris goes off for a ton of fantasy points now that Kevin Smith is possibly out for the game and this move actually winds up to your benefit?It hurt me to do this but I just adjusted Sinistar's lineup to replace Parker and Morris with Law Firm and Baldwin giving him a much better chance to beat me. No one can say I haven't been consistent
edit: I'm assuming he just forgot to check his lineup. He hasn't abandoned the team or anything
Quite the ethical quandary, isn't it?
Crazymoogle
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lol, well failed the dice roll on WR again
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Almost an entire half left in the game for Titus to rack up a few more targets.
sf2fanatic
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Damn garbage time ruined a good start for me..My opponent had stafford, megatron....Damn blowouts
It hurt me to do this but I just adjusted Sinistar's lineup to replace Parker and Morris with Law Firm and Baldwin giving him a much better chance to beat me. No one can say I haven't been consistent
edit: I'm assuming he just forgot to check his lineup. He hasn't abandoned the team or anything
That's way over the line, IMO.
How is it over the line? I fixed his team to play the best available based on projections even though he was facing me!
I don't want to say he's quit but he obviously didn't set the lineup and if Smith didn't get hurt, I'd probably be catching heat here for NOT fixing his team!
I don't want to say he's quit but he obviously didn't set the lineup and if Smith didn't get hurt, I'd probably be catching heat here for NOT fixing his team!
sf2fanatic
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I got some decent points from Robinson. Romo killed me
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That collective underperformance from your Cowboys has effectively evaporated your initial projection lead over Crazymoogle.
You finished that game over 20.5 points worse than expected. He's now projected to win the matchup on Sunday and if he pulls that out, he's got a cake opponent in Week 13 to effectively lock up a playoff spot for the Bail Kings.
The defending champs would pose a SERIOUS threat to the #1 or #2 seed right out of the gates.
The Frankman
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And another player poised for a monster game gets hurt. Kevin Smith left the game early in the 2nd quarter, did not return. He had amassed 5.7 points and was well on his way to at least 12 points.
It's funny how many times my players have been hurt. My current team:
Roffles - Playing with a broken thumb
Harvin - Sore ribs that have flared up twice.
Moore - Mystery foot aliment, probably out.
Gates - Missed 7-8 weeks, still playing with tender foot.
Juilo Jones - 2nd hammy injury, will knock him out this week.
Felix Jones - Injured and lost his job.
Plus collateral damage injuries (Cutler) have killed Bennet's value. Oh well, one of those years I guess. Time to unleash my secret weapon...
It's funny how many times my players have been hurt. My current team:
Roffles - Playing with a broken thumb
Harvin - Sore ribs that have flared up twice.
Moore - Mystery foot aliment, probably out.
Gates - Missed 7-8 weeks, still playing with tender foot.
Juilo Jones - 2nd hammy injury, will knock him out this week.
Felix Jones - Injured and lost his job.
Plus collateral damage injuries (Cutler) have killed Bennet's value. Oh well, one of those years I guess. Time to unleash my secret weapon...
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Actually, the best available team based on projections would have Santana Moss in his lineup instead of Doug Baldwin. You should make that change too.
MATCHUP SCENARIO A (before Cloudy adjusted Sinistar's lineup - includes Morris & Parker)
CURRENT SCORE
Sinistar - 25.60
Peyton's Creaky Neck - 0
PROJECTED FINAL SCORE
Peyton's Creaky Neck - 80.12
Sinistar - 73.10
MATCHUP SCENARIO B (after Cloudy adjusted Sinistar's lineup - includes Law Firm & Baldwin)
CURRENT SCORE
Sinistar - 13.60
Peyton's Creaky Neck - 0
PROJECTED FINAL SCORE
Peyton's Creaky Neck - 80.12
Sinistar - 71.95
Let's see how these scenarios diverge over the course of the weekend. It will be fun if it impacts the final result.
Also, could you update Hookers and Blow's roster for him? Clearly he's abandoned his team due to needlessly keeping the injured Cassel and FJax on his bench when they won't play for the rest of the season. You should substitute players from the wire and move them to his starting lineup if they're projected to perform better this weekend.
You do realize how silly the above sentence sounds, right? Guess what... it's just as silly as expecting an owner of a 3-8 team to tinker with his perfectly healthy lineup when he probably has more important things to be doing on his Thanksgiving weekend.
NOBODY would have given you heat for NOT "fixing Sinistar's team". In fact, I can't recall a single instance of someone asking you to tamper with an owner's roster this season outside of last week when an active owner WANTED to make a change but couldn't because of a freak scenario (post-Thursday waiver lockouts) that would not be in play in subsequent weeks.
You assumed incorrectly there just as you assumed that Yahoo! projections were the only ones that mattered when making your adjustments to Sinistar's lineup. The Eagles have been a Top 3 run defense the past month and the Law Firm is only active in his RBBC when the Pats are protecting a lead - hardly a guarantee when they're on the road at Philadelphia. Frankly, I don't buy the Yahoo! projection... seems way too high to me given BJGE's utilization in recent weeks prior to the Chiefs rout.
Your last assumption is that you think such a decision only impacts you regardless of the outcome.
Let's say BJGE and Baldwin have amazing days and you lose against this already-eliminated opponent who didn't set his lineup when you would have otherwise won. Your team falls to 6-6 presumably losing tiebreaker scenarios against every owner that isn't PrimeTime or Puddles. A hot team with tons of depth like Bail Kings or TD's 'N Beer then makes the playoffs because of your "manipulated self-sacrifice" and then destroys a top seed like Good As Gould or FirstPlaceLoser in Week 14 when they would have otherwise coasted to a victory against you. Congratulations you just altered the entire payout dynamics of a money league!
League commissioners should NEVER base decisions on assumptions and should only adjust lineups in the following scenarios:
- when an owner provides you with their desired lineup prior to kickoff and are unable to update it themselves due to a family emergency, lack of Internet or because the website itself is experiencing technical issues
- the aforementioned kicker scenario involving acksman where an owner's ability to update their roster is impaired due to a rules restriction that would not be in place the subsequent week due to a transitional league rule change
If an owner "quits" on a league early in the year, you do what you can to find a replacement owner. If you can't, you freeze their last competitive starting lineup in place and you're done with it. If they dump their quality players to the wire, you reverse the transactions and freeze their roster. If someone quits prior to being mathematically eliminated from contention, they don't get asked back the following season. That's it.
Absolutely none of these practices are based on assumptions. Heck, I've got a 3-8 team running in a league this week without a kicker or a defense. Why? Because I was mathematically eliminated last week and I dumped all my kickers and D/STs to the wire and picked up injured talent like Charles, Britt and Peyton Manning to give myself the best possible options for keepers heading into 2012.
Will it impact the result of my matchup this week? Sure it will. But it wouldn't be in my best interests as an owner to field a full lineup this week so I'm not doing so. I get no gratification out of playing spoiler.
Isn't Moss hurt? I'll put him in there over Baldwin if you want
For the last time, the whole purpose of running this league was to avoid what typically happens in non-keeper fantasy leagues when folks fall out of the race. As you can see, even with a money league we can't guarantee 100% participation to the end and the only way around that as far as I can see is to have the commish set the best lineup for an MIA manager using their discretion. Having a replacement owner won't work cos what happens if they somehow win? Do they get a pro-rated prize? Do they even pay an entry fee?
In this case, maybe I should have let Moogle pick the roster since it was my opponent but I posted the change here before kickoff and no one had an issue with it till Smith got hurt
I will put Moss in over Baldwin now
ps: I never use FA or waivers unless the MIA team would have an empty slot as I don't want to penalize active players.
For the last time, the whole purpose of running this league was to avoid what typically happens in non-keeper fantasy leagues when folks fall out of the race. As you can see, even with a money league we can't guarantee 100% participation to the end and the only way around that as far as I can see is to have the commish set the best lineup for an MIA manager using their discretion. Having a replacement owner won't work cos what happens if they somehow win? Do they get a pro-rated prize? Do they even pay an entry fee?
In this case, maybe I should have let Moogle pick the roster since it was my opponent but I posted the change here before kickoff and no one had an issue with it till Smith got hurt
I will put Moss in over Baldwin now
ps: I never use FA or waivers unless the MIA team would have an empty slot as I don't want to penalize active players.
Crazymoogle
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My rule in my main league is:
1. If the owner has abandoned his team or gone MIA and has starting players that are on bye/injured I will:
a. If possible sub in a bench player
b. If no bench sub, then best guy on FA market according to projected this-week FP, that way I don't have to make a judgement call.
c. When going route B I charge his waiver spot.
d. None of this happens until Sunday because they have no business plucking players other teams might need.
We have a rule about staying "competitive" though, which is to say that just like in the NFL, you can't visibly "suck for Luck". You can make some odd roster decisions, start crusty defenses, but if you are benching Gore for Jacquizz Rogers there are penalties.
While I generally agree with UT experience tells me two things:
1. In absence of a league constitution, keep it simple. As GM we should make the minimum moves necessary
2. That being said, FF is supposed to be fun. Being a total rule stickler is just a great way to have people quit your league. The best example is if someone makes a trade but the email shows up a few minutes after the deadline or something; it's not serving the league to be a total rules lawyer on the subject.
In this specific case I guess I need to see his starting roster before and after...
1. If the owner has abandoned his team or gone MIA and has starting players that are on bye/injured I will:
a. If possible sub in a bench player
b. If no bench sub, then best guy on FA market according to projected this-week FP, that way I don't have to make a judgement call.
c. When going route B I charge his waiver spot.
d. None of this happens until Sunday because they have no business plucking players other teams might need.
We have a rule about staying "competitive" though, which is to say that just like in the NFL, you can't visibly "suck for Luck". You can make some odd roster decisions, start crusty defenses, but if you are benching Gore for Jacquizz Rogers there are penalties.
While I generally agree with UT experience tells me two things:
1. In absence of a league constitution, keep it simple. As GM we should make the minimum moves necessary
2. That being said, FF is supposed to be fun. Being a total rule stickler is just a great way to have people quit your league. The best example is if someone makes a trade but the email shows up a few minutes after the deadline or something; it's not serving the league to be a total rules lawyer on the subject.
In this specific case I guess I need to see his starting roster before and after...
He had Preston Parker and Maurice Morris starting. I replaced them with BGE and Baldwin (but I've now subbed Moss in for Baldwin since he's apparently healthy)
All of this was done transparently as usual and without Smith getting hurt, it'd be a non-issue. And I swear Morris was projected for like 3 pts when I made the change LOL
I was willing to risk a loss to be fair to everyone and I'm kind of surprised that this is seen as bad for the league. What if I got a cheap win because he left 2 unproductive guys in his lineup cos he's 3-8. Is that good for the league?
All of this was done transparently as usual and without Smith getting hurt, it'd be a non-issue. And I swear Morris was projected for like 3 pts when I made the change LOL
I was willing to risk a loss to be fair to everyone and I'm kind of surprised that this is seen as bad for the league. What if I got a cheap win because he left 2 unproductive guys in his lineup cos he's 3-8. Is that good for the league?
Crazymoogle
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Sorry guys, sick and tired, literally. But not of Fantasy Football. Back to the question.
Cloudy, you're right, it's not worth a fuss about. But UT is right in that it was unnecessary, sort of. Mostly because Parker and Morris could easily be the best pair this week. Since there's no harm, just leave it as you have. It's something we can drop in a constitution next time.
I think UT's approach is mostly correct. You lock the team, do a one time "best possible lineup" based on "Yahoo Remaining Games Projected Points" and leave the team be. But in money leagues I do suggest subbing players based on injury or bye. The "no kicker/def situation" is not something I would allow, but my Keeper league does have a "No Suck for Luck" clause in the constitution.
Cloudy, you're right, it's not worth a fuss about. But UT is right in that it was unnecessary, sort of. Mostly because Parker and Morris could easily be the best pair this week. Since there's no harm, just leave it as you have. It's something we can drop in a constitution next time.
I think UT's approach is mostly correct. You lock the team, do a one time "best possible lineup" based on "Yahoo Remaining Games Projected Points" and leave the team be. But in money leagues I do suggest subbing players based on injury or bye. The "no kicker/def situation" is not something I would allow, but my Keeper league does have a "No Suck for Luck" clause in the constitution.
Crazymoogle
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What makes you think that? Last I looked, Parker was third receiver on the Bucs, and Baldwin was third receiver for Tyler Palko/Ricki Stanzi.
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