AMD Radeon 7000 series to be unveiled Dec 5 - first with 28nm again
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I got burnt pretty well by ATi. I bought a 4870 at launch and was really expecting great things. In most games, it would work well enough, sure you could cook a ham on it, but Nvidia cards weren't dramatically cooler at the time.
But there were those little dozen games per year that inexplicably ran significantly worse than the Nvidia counterpart. It just added up over time. Buying a game at launch, having it run like shit, going to forums to find that it was an ATi exclusive feature.
I even gave them a second chance on a 4770 when my 4780 died. It was just a placeholder card until I found my DX11 card, and it when you paired it with a game that had good ATi compatibility, it was easily the greatest GPU value on the market. But, again, there were those few games that came out and just blew up with ATi drivers.
Overall it was a small percentage of games, but it was enough for me to side-grade to a 275 GTX instead of getting a 5000 series card to tide me over. I've got a 580 GTX now and am more than happy with it.
To get me back, it would take a pretty dramatic (if not earth shattering) change of direction. Like people have pointed out, hilariously even games with AMD branding perform inexplicably worse on ATi hardware still today. Look no further than Saints Row 3.
But there were those little dozen games per year that inexplicably ran significantly worse than the Nvidia counterpart. It just added up over time. Buying a game at launch, having it run like shit, going to forums to find that it was an ATi exclusive feature.
I even gave them a second chance on a 4770 when my 4780 died. It was just a placeholder card until I found my DX11 card, and it when you paired it with a game that had good ATi compatibility, it was easily the greatest GPU value on the market. But, again, there were those few games that came out and just blew up with ATi drivers.
Overall it was a small percentage of games, but it was enough for me to side-grade to a 275 GTX instead of getting a 5000 series card to tide me over. I've got a 580 GTX now and am more than happy with it.
To get me back, it would take a pretty dramatic (if not earth shattering) change of direction. Like people have pointed out, hilariously even games with AMD branding perform inexplicably worse on ATi hardware still today. Look no further than Saints Row 3.
Unknown Soldier
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I'm very happy with my GTX 470 SLI and I don't feel that I'll need to upgrade my video cards again for quite a long time.
Ryoma-Echizen
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With the lazyness of developers being a day 1 buyer can be horrible. Pay full price, recieve patches later.
That would change if Nintendo enters into pc market. Not gonna happen.
That would change if Nintendo enters into pc market. Not gonna happen.
They were supposed to go 32 so long ago but it's been delayed and delayed and delayed and delayed that they're just skipping it. Hopefully should be a big jump in performance
Ryoma-Echizen
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The original HD6970 @32nm had 1920SP VLIW4 (1536SP the 40nm one).
squidyj
Not delayed, TSMC canned the process literally overnight. Both HD6000/GTX500 were the emergency plan. Since the beginning nvidia planned a 32nm shrink of the GTX400, AMD wanted more than that so they got the major screw-up.
squidyj
Not delayed, TSMC canned the process literally overnight. Both HD6000/GTX500 were the emergency plan. Since the beginning nvidia planned a 32nm shrink of the GTX400, AMD wanted more than that so they got the major screw-up.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
My move from an AMD 5870 -> Nvidia GTX570 this year was incredible. I try not to be a fanboy; but I really don't see myself jumping back to AMD anytime soon.
BoobPhysics101
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Uh, what?
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What? Aren't the 5870 and 570 pretty similar in terms of performance?
Or are you talking about drivers?
He's saying that Nintendo's stance isn't "Shove it out the door and patch all the bugs later", but instead "Release a finished product that's been fully tested". But really, it's apples to mangos. Nintendo deals with a static platform.
BoobPhysics101
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GTX 570 is like 50-80% faster than the 5870.
Yeah, seriously. Nintendo would have no idea how to handle themselves in the PC gaming arena.
Ryoma-Echizen
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Actually is 20-25%~.
HD5870 --> +17% HD6970 = GTX480 --> 0-5% GTX570
570 is not 50-80% faster than the GTX470 AFAIK. Both HD6000/GTX500 are tweaked versions of the previous gen, nothing to be surprised about.
Here, have some numbers:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/294?vs=306
Seems like the biggest differences are at super super high resolutions, which indicates to me a memory limitation on the card.
TOAO_Cyrus
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With Rage they had good drivers ready but they uploaded the wrong ones lol.
TheVampire
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I bet the fan on this new card will be loud as fuck.
Just like the 6990.
Just like the 6990.
According to these guys, 29% difference between 5850 and 570.
But yeah, we can cherrypick benches to show the difference is 80%
Ryoma-Echizen
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My numbers are from average gamer performance. Same can be said with HD6970 2GB vs GTX570/580 in multidisplay.
GCN 7950/7970 are supposed to use liquid chambers(instead of vapor chamber) for the reference design.
http://www.techpowerup.com/155043/A...amber-Tech-On-Upcoming-7900-Series-Cards.html
TOAO_Cyrus
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Don't you think developers should take some of the blame here?
According to these guys, 29% difference between 5850 and 570.
But yeah, we can cherrypick benches to show the difference is 80%
Specifically HAWX (ridiculous tessellation) and Civ 5 (optional DX11 feature AMD didn't implement).
Chiggs
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AMD video cards are very hard to love, especially considering just how exceptional Nvidia is at implementing outstanding drivers for their tech. I'm using a 6950 > 6970, but it might be the last card I purchase from them for quite some time. Frankly, I actually enjoy gaming more on my GTX 480. Just a smoother experience.
Even if we go back to the mid-to-late 90s, AMDs drivers were a joke. It seems to be a real problem with this company, and a long-lasting one. I remember the days of enthusiasts writing better drivers for the Rage Fury Maxx. Hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
Even if we go back to the mid-to-late 90s, AMDs drivers were a joke. It seems to be a real problem with this company, and a long-lasting one. I remember the days of enthusiasts writing better drivers for the Rage Fury Maxx. Hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
BoobPhysics101
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AwesomeSauce
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Hey if anyone here doesn't want their AMD card anymore, I'll gladly take it off your hands as long as its faster than my GTX 260 ;-)
Anyway I'm keeping a close eye on the new set of cards coming out. I have the itch to upgrade, but its got to be worthwhile.
Anyway I'm keeping a close eye on the new set of cards coming out. I have the itch to upgrade, but its got to be worthwhile.
Dare to dream.
Wolf Akela
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Am I the only one who had zero issues with ATI?
I've had a lot of driver issues with my 9600GT, particularly the "driver has stopped responding and has successfully recovered" which randomly occurs.
Never even had BF3 and I played since Beta.
I've had a lot of driver issues with my 9600GT, particularly the "driver has stopped responding and has successfully recovered" which randomly occurs.
Never even had BF3 and I played since Beta.
Garrus Vakarian
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As a 6870 owner would I be better off waiting for the revision series/8000's? With regards to better performance for money.
toastyToast
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Haven't had a problem with my 5850 aside from a heat issue which was funnily enough caused by the dust filters on my case being clogged.
Gonna go nvidia next round so I can use NVidia® Physx™
Gonna go nvidia next round so I can use NVidia® Physx™
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
From everything I read, and what you can see has been posted in the last several replies, is that I could expect a 20-30% increase in FPS.
Well, from my experience at 1920x1200 and paired with an i7 930, the performance bump is an almost universal 30% bump.
Which may not sound like much. But it really, really is. Games that hovered in the mid 40s fps, are now a silky smooth 60fps. And that really makes a pretty massive difference.
And it helps keep my lows up, which is most important. Whereas BF3 would sometimes dip to the high 20s (28-29fps) in the most explosive action moments, my 570 hasn't dropped below 30 even once. And while it may not sound like much, that's a pretty big deal.
Factor in better drivers, with more recent updates; Physx; and 3D Vision (for when I upgrade); and better scalability in SLI than CF; well, it's just a spectacular card. And the fact that it OC's like a CHAMP doesn't hurt. I'm rocking basically GTX580 speeds. Not bad for a card I spent less than $300 on (Microcenter sale).
My only complaint is that it runs HOT. My 5870 would be around 65c under load, and my 570 can hit 97-98c pretty regularly. Apparently it's all within spec, and I haven't noticed any graphics distortions once... but in the interest of full disclosure... yeah.
Either way, at this point I'm really looking forward to the next Nvidia series. Nevertheless, if AMD knocks the 7xxx series out of the park, I'll be looking into them for sure.
BoobPhysics101
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Nah. 7 series should be pretty damn robust and run cool/reliably.
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While I'd like performance gains I'm much more interested in 28nm cards being hopefully smaller (funking GPU cards have gotten redonkulously large) that pull less wattage while running cooler. Give me all of that with another small performance bump, and I'd personally be ecstatic.
Uh...you may want to check your setup. What kind of 570 do you have? That's not normal at all...
BoobPhysics101
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Holy shit, yeah, that's definitely not. My GTX 570 overvolted to 1.1v @ 900/2100 only hits 78c max while gaming.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
I was worried, too. It's a ZOTAC AMP! card. I agree, the numbers sounded ridiculous. I asked around and did a lot of research, and most said that it wasn't as abnormal as it sounded.
Too sooth my worries, I exchanged it for another card and the temps were the same. I changed the cooling in my case, and got the temps down to the high 80s/low 90s... but then OC'd it quite a bit ;p
For the most part it seems to hover in the 88-89 range, but it'll hit the 96-97 range if I play for three or four hours when my ambient temps are in the low 70s in my room.
A buddy online ended up getting the same card a month later, and even with his really nice, big case with lots of fans, he's still hovering in the high 80s.
If I learned anything, it's that I'll never get a ZOTAC card again ;p I'll probably just stick with eVGA. But I just couldn't pass on the deal.
BoobPhysics101
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Something is either wrong with your card or your cooling setup. I have tested 5 GTX 570's and all have stayed under 80c under the most intense of games.
I agree with Booby. Almost 100c is not right. Something is going on with your setup.
SapientWolf
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I went from a Geforce 6800 -> x1950GT -> 3850 -> 4850 -> 5850 -> 2x 5850
The only game that gave me a vendor specific performance issue was Saints Row the goddamned Third. I should have known better after Saints Row 2.
Shai-Tan
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I have both (6950 & GTX 570). AMD tends to not have the best day 1 support, Nvidia is constantly breaking older games (took them 6 months to fix a CTD in King's Bounty, stuttering for many months in Bad Company 2, Fallout 3 would break and have shitty stuttering and frame rate issues for almost a year of driver releases - had to go back to a very old driver to play it which meant I couldn't play some newer games, Valve games like TF2 would run like shit for some months of driver releases meanwhile people with ATI cards that were half as powerful ran it perfectly smooth, etc)
Luckily i have both so I just switch computers.
Everybody else apart from ID does...
LowEndTorque
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any info on the price of this puppy?
The general compute power would be irrelevant and wasteful for consoles.
Nono, I can totally understand that you turn your back on a company when you get constantly burned by them. But it's like the Saints Row 3 example. The game runs very smooth on my machine and then Volition releases a patch (DX11 performance enhancements) and the performance gets worse on AMD cards - AMD still is getting blamed which is wrong in my eyes. This is just one example, I am sure people have worse issues, but it's not always that easy to point the finger at AMD.
And hey, I never had any problems with my Razer products
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