Game of Thrones - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Season 1 - Sundays on HBO

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I'd be confident Winds of Winter will be done in a few years, before they get to the AFFC/ADWD season. He already had some of it written before ADWD was out, and it seems like he knows where he's going with that book.

However, I'm worried about A Dream of Spring, big time. He only has about 5 years, tops, to start and finish that before they're at that book in the seasons. That, as the ending to the whole series, will be a huge labour to tie up everything and end every story arc left. I just hope to christ he really decides what he's going to do plot wise in ADOS while writing TWOW, so it's just the prose he's got to work on. It's the only way I can see it being finished in time.
 
Ithil said:
I'd be confident Winds of Winter will be done in a few years, before they get to the AFFC/ADWD season. He already had some of it written before ADWD was out, and it seems like he knows where he's going with that book.

However, I'm worried about A Dream of Spring, big time. He only has about 5 years, tops, to start and finish that before they're at that book in the seasons. That, as the ending to the whole series, will be a huge labour to tie up everything and end every story arc left. I just hope to christ he really decides what he's going to do plot wise in ADOS while writing TWOW, so it's just the prose he's got to work on. It's the only way I can see it being finished in time.
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Considering how awesome the prose was in AFFC/ADWD in terms of describing both Westeros and the fact that winter is, indeed, tearing up the populace (particularly the blizzard ravaging the North), I think the only issue is the plot at this point.
 
ADWD was rushed out, which is apparently by some of the poor editing. I fear the next book could face the same fate if it takes longer than expected to come out - which is a given. Martin may have 100 pages done and be past the biggest obstacle of the series (so far), but he's still George RR Martin - it's gonna be awhile.
 
ZephyrFate said:
Considering how awesome the prose was in AFFC/ADWD in terms of describing both Westeros and the fact that winter is, indeed, tearing up the populace (particularly the blizzard ravaging the North), I think the only issue is the plot at this point.
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I meant his prose simply literally takes a long while to write.
 
The only thing that's going to keep them from finishing the series for the TV show is catching up GRRM writing the final two books.

I don't see any reason that AFFC and ADWD would not be adapted. The show is critically acclaimed and had very high viewership for an HBO show.
 
Ithil said:
I'd be confident Winds of Winter will be done in a few years, before they get to the AFFC/ADWD season. He already had some of it written before ADWD was out, and it seems like he knows where he's going with that book.

However, I'm worried about A Dream of Spring, big time. He only has about 5 years, tops, to start and finish that before they're at that book in the seasons. That, as the ending to the whole series, will be a huge labour to tie up everything and end every story arc left. I just hope to christ he really decides what he's going to do plot wise in ADOS while writing TWOW, so it's just the prose he's got to work on. It's the only way I can see it being finished in time.
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there is no way he ties up every story arc

probably a bunch of shit will be left open ended
 
Steelyuhas said:
The only thing that's going to keep them from finishing the series for the TV show is catching up GRRM writing the final two books.

I don't see any reason that AFFC and ADWD would not be adapted. The show is critically acclaimed and had very high viewership for an HBO show.
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They could split AFFC and ADWD into two seasons and film them back to back like SoS too. I just think there isnt a need for it, since they can both be done in 1 season pretty easily imo. Especially if you move the Ironborn stuff from Feast to Season 4.

But doing that would give them another year to wait for Winds and Dream if they needed to.
 
Steelyuhas said:
The only thing that's going to keep them from finishing the series for the TV show is catching up GRRM writing the final two books.

I don't see any reason that AFFC and ADWD would not be adapted. The show is critically acclaimed and had very high viewership for an HBO show.
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A lot of things could change in a few years. It'll be a lot easier to predict once we see how season 2 does.

Who knows what dramas HBO will be airing in 3-5 years, other than True Blood of course.
 
Wray said:
They could split AFFC and ADWD into two seasons and film them back to back like SoS too. I just think there isnt a need for it, since they can both be done in 1 season pretty easily imo. Especially if you move the Ironborn stuff from Feast to Season 4.

But doing that would give them another year to wait for Winds and Dream if they needed to.
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You can't really look at it like that. AFFC and ADWD are going to have to be heavily restructured to be on TV. By that point the show will have diverged significantly from the books and they won't be following them all that strictly. Padding out seasons to give GRRM more time would be a horrible decision. If he can't keep up they'll just go on their own with input from GRRM on what needs to happen.
 
Basileus777 said:
You can't really look at it like that. AFFC and ADWD are going to have to be heavily restructured to be on TV. By that point the show will have diverged significantly from the books and they won't be following them all that strictly. Padding out seasons to give GRRM more time would be a horrible decision. If he can't keep up they'll just go on their own with input from GRRM on what needs to happen.
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I don't think they really need to be. The particular POV's in the Feast/Dance timeline are all pretty linear. They can easily be done in a single season. You would just need to trim the fat off some of the POVs. Namely Brienne's.
 
Wray said:
I don't think they really need to be. The particular POV's in the Feast/Dance timeline are all pretty linear. They can easily be done in a single season. You would just need to trim the fat off some of the POVs. Namely Brienne's.
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They are going to have to cut a bunch of POVs and locations simply to make those books filmable on a TV budget. Whatever form AFFC/ADWD take on the show is going to be very different from what they were in the books. Can those two books be made into one season after they are combined and heavily trimmed and cut down? That still seems like a difficult task. I don't envy the show runners when it comes to having to make post-ASOS material into a workable TV show.
 
Basileus777 said:
They are going to have to cut a bunch of POVs and locations simply to make those books filmable on a TV budget. Whatever form AFFC/ADWD take on the show is going to be very different from what they were in the books. Can those two books be made into one season after they are combined and heavily trimmed and cut down? That still seems like a difficult task. I don't envy the show runners when it comes to having to make post-ASOS material into a workable TV show.
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The Ironborn stuff from Feast they can easily move up to S4. It would be nice if they could do the same for the Dorne stuff, but that cant really happen until after the Red Viper vs Mountain.

Also, alot of the other POV's don't get nearly as much action as some of the others do, and thus wouldn't have to be in every episode. You can probably fit Bran's, Sansa's, Davos', Arya's, and Samwell's Feast/Dance stuff in 5-6 episodes instead of 9 or 10 for example.
 
Basileus777 said:
They are going to have to cut a bunch of POVs and locations simply to make those books filmable on a TV budget. Whatever form AFFC/ADWD take on the show is going to be very different from what they were in the books. Can those two books be made into one season after they are combined and heavily trimmed and cut down? That still seems like a difficult task. I don't envy the show runners when it comes to having to make post-ASOS material into a workable TV show.
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I think the way to do it would be to for season 3 to be about 2/3s of ASOS. Then about the first half of season 4 would be the rest of ASOS. The second half of season 4 and season then all of season 5 would be AFFC/ADWD. Moving on to the Winds of Winter in season 6.
 
If seasons 3 and 4 are filmed back to back I am not confident the show will get a fifth season. They will lose too much of their cast and crew if production goes on hiatus for two years.
 
Azrael said:
If seasons 3 and 4 are filmed back to back I am not confident the show will get a fifth season. They will lose too much of their cast and crew if production goes on hiatus for two years.
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Why would they? Seasons 3 and 4 are probably going to be most, if not all of ASOS and a little of AFFC/ADWD. They have material for at least another season with AFFC/ADWD, perhaps two.
 
Wray said:
I dunno, there's lots of good cliffhangers to end S5 that will bring people back for S6 if S5 is pretty slow.

- Jon getting stabbed
- Stannis possibly being dead
- Brienne being hanged
- Aegon bringing war to Westeros
- Dany finding the Khalasar

What else am I forgetting?
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That would be season 6 finale and not 5.
 
Basileus777 said:
Maybe. The AFFC/ADWD content won't be split or structured like they were in the books. We don't really know when that stuff will happen, but I don't think AFFC+ADWD will get two full seasons.
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I think they already said they were going to go chronologically. Also there is no way they could fit both books into one season not to mention the fact that they need to burn as much time as possible in order to let Martin finish up as much as he can.
 
- EW.com with details on the S1 BRD: 'Game of Thrones' scoop: DVD release date, details, photos
Here’s everything you need to know about the home video release of HBO’s Game of Thrones: The Complete First Season. EW.com exclusively has the release date, the list of extensive bonus features, a ton of screen shots and first-look video clip from one of the documentaries.

The fantasy drama is arguably the most anticipated DVD release for a TV series that’s aired this year. And with the show’s expected home video revenue factored as a major player in the show’s finances, it’s no surprise HBO has pulled out all the stops. Based on the two disks I previewed, Thrones was given a lavish presentation. The sophisticated menu navigation and behind-the-scenes extras that are on par with DVD sets from hit movies rather than what fans typically receive for TV shows.

Game of Thrones arrives in stores on March 6, 2012. The cost: $79.98 for BD and $59.99 for standard-def DVD. Here’s a list of all the extras followed by 11 exclusive pics and then a video clip from one the of the documentaries.
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Much, much more via the link including a slew of screencaps and one short video clip.
 
- WiC.net with a quick article about the DVD release

He also noted this bit from EW's article:
James Hibberd said:
The fantasy drama is arguably the most anticipated DVD release for a TV series that’s aired this year. And with the show’s expected home video revenue factored as a major player in the show’s finances, it’s no surprise HBO has pulled out all the stops. Based on the two disks I previewed, Thrones was given a lavish presentation. The sophisticated menu navigation and behind-the-scenes extras that are on par with DVD sets from hit movies rather than what fans typically receive for TV shows.
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rhfb said:
Isn't that kinda spendy for a ten episode series??? I mean I know that is MSRP and that there will be sales, but daaaaamn that is some coin.
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It's pretty typical for HBO. I don't buy HBO sets unless they're on sale. Amazon currently has the BRD's for $55.
 
That's awesome that they're giving this the treatment it deserves. It's the type of show that will be huge with home release.

But wtf happened to Boardwalk Empire season 1? HBO done fucked up on that one. My favorite HBO show right now (well there's only that and this at the moment so lol)
 
Discotheque said:
But wtf happened to Boardwalk Empire season 1? HBO done fucked up on that one. My favorite HBO show right now (well there's only that and this at the moment so lol)
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I have no idea what the issue was with that set. It's not out until January 10th, 2012. :(

EDIT: Some rumblings online that they're delaying the BE dvd's to place those sales into 2012 because it helps their financials, but that's about all I can dig up.
 
Jarmel said:
I think they already said they were going to go chronologically. Also there is no way they could fit both books into one season not to mention the fact that they need to burn as much time as possible in order to let Martin finish up as much as he can.
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I cant think of any POV arc in Feast or Dance that couldnt be done in 10 episodes.
 
- Westeros.org: HBO Store Exclusive Disc
Hard on the heels of EW’s exclusive details from the DVD and Bluray sets, the HBO Store has come out swinging with an exclusive to bring pre-orders straight to them.

According to the official Game of Thrones Twitter and Facebook accounts, pre-orders at the HBO store for the DVD and BluRay season 1 sets will come with an HBO Store-exclusive additional disc, “Creating the World of Westeros”, which should provide more behind-the-scenes looks at the production’s bringing the world of A Song of Ice and Fire to life.

Alas, the HBO Store is US-only, and the HBO UK store doesn’t even list the DVDs and BluRays yet. You can of course preorders for the DVDand Blu-Ray sets at Amazon.com and others retailers, but they won’t include the exclusive disc.

Decisions, decisions….
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Jarmel said:
That would be season 6 finale and not 5.
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I'm hoping they work all that into season 5 otherwise we're going to have a boring ass season 6 without substantial changes.

Jarmel said:
I think they already said they were going to go chronologically. Also there is no way they could fit both books into one season not to mention the fact that they need to burn as much time as possible in order to let Martin finish up as much as he can.
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If they're going to burn time, hopefully they burn it on ASOS. There's just a lot of repitition between the chapters in AFFC/ADWD that's not going to make for good TV if they extend it over a period of time. Really I think they need to gut both books and just get through the big moments. Although this will will put them ahead of Martin's writing faster. But I think that's inevitable at this point.
 
Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:
Although this will will put them ahead of Martin's writing faster. But I think that's inevitable at this point.
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They shouldn't think about GRRM's writing speed at all when planning this. If the TV series continues, it's inevitable that it will get ahead of where the books are. Martin isn't going to finish more than one more book while the show is still going.
 
Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:
If they're going to burn time, hopefully they burn it on ASOS. There's just a lot of repitition between the chapters in AFFC/ADWD that's not going to make for good TV if they extend it over a period of time. Really I think they need to gut both books and just get through the big moments. Although this will will put them ahead of Martin's writing faster. But I think that's inevitable at this point.
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Really one of the main reasons why I am hoping for two full seasons of ASOS (with the possibly exception of some Ironborn stuff from AFFC being in season 4).
 
Basileus777 said:
They shouldn't think about GRRM's writing speed at all when planning this. If the TV series continues, it's inevitable that it will get ahead of where the books are. Martin isn't going to finish more than one more book while the show is still going.
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It's possible. Don't give up hope. Martin would have to complete book 6/7 in about 3 years each. That's doable. At that pace book 7 would have to be out mid 2017. Which would be when a 7th season would be airing most likely. Which means the scripting and filming for S7 would be in mid/late 2016. Which shouldn't be too much of an issue, since most of book 7 would likely be done at that point if it were to be released in 2017.

Also, according to that Iceland report, Weiss stated that somebody who doesnt die in the books dies in S2. Any guesses on who that is? I'm guessing...

Pyat Pree

Makes alot of sense to build up his character more and then kill him. I suppose it's also possible they can move up Robb beheading Karstark also. He dies in book 3 not book 2, so that might qualify for the hint.

Also

Newman pretty much confirms that
Craster’s Keep
was shot in Northern Ireland, as we suspected, and will feature in episodes 1 and 2. Iceland scenes are going to be used in over four eps, he said, listing episodes 5, 6, 7, 8, and 10.
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So looks like the Craster stuff is happening real early. That's fine with me, since the sooner they introduce Halfhand the better imo.
 
Wray said:
Also, according to that Iceland report, Weiss stated that somebody who doesnt die in the books dies in S2. Any guesses on who that is? I'm guessing...

Pyat Pree

Makes alot of sense to build up his character more and then kill him. I suppose it's also possible they can move up Robb beheading Karstark also. He dies in book 3 not book 2, so that might qualify for the hint.
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Marillion... again.
 
He never died. Speaking of which...

They could totally kill off Xaro Xhoan Daxos without any issue either. He disappears for a few books and then comes back in Dance for like a single scene that's more or less insignificant. If he has no future important role to play in book 6 or 7, then they can easily kill him off at the end of S2. If he was important in any way for future seasons, I'm sure GRRM would have informed the writers when asked. But the actor they got for him is a semi big name, and if they were to bring that character back, it would have to be S5 at the earliest, in which case the character would likely need to be recast.

They could also be talking about Meryn Trant, who probably ends up taking over the role of Mandon Moore and dies during The Battle of Blackwater. Other characters that are easily expendable are Dolorous Edd, Grenn, and Rast.
 
Wray said:
Also, according to that Iceland report, Weiss stated that somebody who doesnt die in the books dies in S2. Any guesses on who that is?
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My best guess is
Ser Meryn Trant, who doesn't do anything of consequence after the first book and could fill Ser Mandon Moore's shoes, who wasn't cast.

Another strong candidate is
Bronn. His role after the second book is minimal, and House Stokeworth was cut from the second season. Bronn may end up taking Jacelyn Bywater's place in the upcoming season.
Although if they want to keep that character, I guess they could have him
betray Tyrion, start working for Cersei, and replace the Kettleblacks in the story.
 
Pretty sure Iceland is just going to be the mountain regions like the Frostfangs or whatever the mountains were called
where all the wildlings gathered.
There were pictures of Craster's Keep/wildling village from people driving around the shooting location of Ireland. Basically woods with a bunch of fake snow.
 
Exclusive disc is bullshit, but the sketch family backgrounds look pretty interesting.
Will watch the disc content when it is ripped to youtube on day one, and will purchase the blu-rays from Amazon. I've actually had the set preordered from day one.
 
Azrael said:
My best guess is
Ser Meryn Trant, who doesn't do anything of consequence after the first book and could fill Ser Mandon Moore's shoes, who wasn't cast.

Another strong candidate is
Bronn. His role after the second book is minimal, and House Stokeworth was cut from the second season. Bronn may end up taking Jacelyn Bywater's place in the upcoming season.
Although if they want to keep that character, I guess they could have him
betray Tyrion, start working for Cersei, and replace the Kettleblacks in the story.
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Ya I forgot about Bronn. Either one of those Bronn scenarios would work well.
 
Looking at the box art of the bluray got me thinking, what will be the promo image for season2?

Ed Stark was a logical choice for the first season, but I am having trouble finding one particular character & pose that has that same presence. The two Baratheons standing back to back? Or is it an object?
The five crowns stacked onto each other, creating a column or something? Dany with slightly larger dragons on her shoulder?
 
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