Adam Carolla Rails Against Occupy Members: "....Self-Entitled Monsters"
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CHEEZMO;33135647 said:
People should know by now that arguing on the internet isn't a productive activity - it's just a means of solidifying your own worldview, for better or worse. No one has ever went into an argument with one opinion and came out feeling the exact opposite. Broad generalization or no, that's never happened. We're simply not hard-wired that way.
So describing someone as a nice "counterpoint", well, I'm not sure what to say about that. It's as good as shouting at a wall and expecting change, is what I'm saying. On both sides.
Baraka in the White House
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He earned it. Hell, he practically begged for it.
I meant counterpoint in there was more then one view represented. Where is the fun if everyone agreed on something?
Deified Data
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True, true. I was just wondering what the point of argument was if you're arguing with someone who's beliefs are solid and immutable. Besides putting your own beliefs through the gauntlet, I suppose, which is a worthwhile exercise.
CrocMother
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Good point, I suppose. Don't think it really makes sense in relation to Occupy, however. As many people have said there are people of all ages involved in it.
If he were directing it towards the student groups whose main agenda is debt forgiveness, I guess it might make a bit more sense.
If he were directing it towards the student groups whose main agenda is debt forgiveness, I guess it might make a bit more sense.
No he didn't. I'd rather argue with a wall than Manos because there are more chances the wall will pay attention to what I'm saying. He purposely ignored or dismissed arguments without explanation, he was always avoiding answering questions and instead he kept spamming the same absurd shit over and over.
I can understand why you might think that, but you're wrong.
I would trade Manos for Something Wicked in a heartbeat.
At least with Manos you got the impression that there was some intelligence in the person sitting on the other side of the computer screen. When I read a Something Wicked post, I cry a little for the failures of our educational system.
I'm pretty angry that someone of such ignorance had the balls to associate himself with Shakespeare and/or Bradbury.
At least with Manos you got the impression that there was some intelligence in the person sitting on the other side of the computer screen. When I read a Something Wicked post, I cry a little for the failures of our educational system.
I'm pretty angry that someone of such ignorance had the balls to associate himself with Shakespeare and/or Bradbury.
I'm not going to defend the things Carolla has said, but I find it funny seeing him get chewed out for saying Hawaiians are stupid in-breds, but Jeremy Clarkson gets his balls sucked by half the forum in defense of him saying strikers should be shot dead in front of their familes.
Deified Data
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I can understand why you might think that, but you're wrong.
Maybe. It's happened before.
On what note?
Really, really? Maybe, for one, Jeremy Clarkson didn't actually say they should be shot in the context of the interview.
JJDinomite
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I quite like the "fattest guy on the team" analogy.
CHEEZMO
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Someone's not been paying attention.
The Technomancer
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My analogy is that OWS is that one snitch kid who reports the douche who brags about how he cheated on the major test. You may not like the kid, but you're still want the douche to get in trouble.
Dr. Pangloss
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I know a lot of people quoted you, but I have to ask: What happen between 2000-2007?
Why didn't free market capitalism prevent the bubble?
Why did those socialist Europeans prosper as much as the Americans did during that time period?
It seems you and others like you want to forget what happen during the beginning of this century. According to you, our problems started on January 20, 2009 when Obama came into office.
CHEEZMO
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CHEEZMO
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Yes. The OP only had footage of him making those remarks, and not what was said shortly before it.
To horribly paraphrase a Cracked article;
My generation were told that if we didn't want spend our adult lives flipping burgers and want to get a real job, we had better go to college and get an education. Now that we have gone to college, and have ended up with more college loans to pay off than any prior generation as a result, we're being called "entitled assholes" because we don't want to flip burgers.
Please, we're the first generation of douchebags? Yes, what fucking douchebags we are for not being greatful for this wonderful economy your generation gave us. I guess it's the thought that counts? Thanks Santa.
My generation were told that if we didn't want spend our adult lives flipping burgers and want to get a real job, we had better go to college and get an education. Now that we have gone to college, and have ended up with more college loans to pay off than any prior generation as a result, we're being called "entitled assholes" because we don't want to flip burgers.
Please, we're the first generation of douchebags? Yes, what fucking douchebags we are for not being greatful for this wonderful economy your generation gave us. I guess it's the thought that counts? Thanks Santa.
Fenderputty
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Generally speaking I agree. If you're arguing on the interent about something, you're likely never going to feel different. There are lurkers here though. I've read comments from people who would say their viewpoints have changed. So I'm not sure it's as worthless as yelling at a wall.
ZephyrFate
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Trolling sure has come a long way.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
He's just going to saw the housing bubble and subsequent crash was created by government policies forcing banks to lend to poor people or something
It makes no sense, but he's happy in his delusion
CHEEZMO
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I've had some viewpoints change due to GAF.
This is your magnum opus. Have it engraved on your tombstone.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Yeah. Somehing Wicked is definately living in Ron Paul's mind. Must be some kind of weird, Tim Burton-esque fantasy up there.
johnFkennedy
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Doesn't this whole fiasco kind of prove that the Occupy movement doesn't have a clear message?
Fenderputty
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CHEEZMO;33136675 said:
As have I.
Please tell me you don't agree with this drivel, Snowman.
Even though I disagree with you all the damn time, your philosophy of film is one of the best and most meticulously thought-out things I've encountered on this forum. You can't be a Glenn Beck type, can you?
ZephyrFate
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He's mocking the hell out of it.
I agree with you arguing on the internet is ultimately futile, but it can be fun to watch. Cheaper then cable and 10 times the drama.
Dreams-Visions
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we didn't have a free market. we had a lot of outside forces manipulating the market place (Fed, ratings agencies) and allowing for all manner of schemes, "new financial products", and thefts (investment banks, etc). then there's the credit-base of it all.
Because the free market was distorted by artificially low interest rates (i.e. it wasn't a free market)
Dreams-Visions
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that was a symptom; not the problem. the problem was the banks.
But that's the paradox of laissez faire markets, i.e. that they lead to markets that aren't really free--monopolies, trusts, 'too big to fail', corporations large enough to literally buy congressional votes and, in effect, immorally and unfairly enforce their market dominance.
Dr. Pangloss
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I would agree with you in that we didn't have a truly free market in certain areas of our economy. The Fed and the rating agencies are there to supposedly stabilize things. But look at the shadow banking system. Was that not a free market? There was no regulations of derivatives. You could basically make an "insurance" agreement with any entity (Insurance was regulated, while derivatives were not). I was mainly getting at Something Wicked's argument that the left was the problem for all of our ills. Also he ignored the total control the right had on our government from 2000-2006.
Dreams-Visions
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Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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When you're self employed, you don't have a boss to fire you.
Something Wicked
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Mortrialus said:
I have never denied the process of evolution- you're making that up. And I always find it funny when people have to attach evolution denial to those skeptical of AGW. It's a tactic used when a person cannot comprehend the theoretical specific scientific processes of AGW, which I do. I can read scientific papers. I understand the thermodynamics and statistics behind the theory, and have come to the conclusion that AGW has an extremely low probability of occurring. Also, I'm assuming you don't even understand the basic microbiology behind evolution as well.
Dude Abides said:
You were purposefully misconstruing my point, as you wanted to make it seem that I claimed stock buyers directly give money to companies. Where as, I made it abundantly clear that it was an indirect process, but you wanted to muddled my argument of investments (equity and bonds) allow companies to expand and hire more. Of course, you would be against this, as more workers -> less money for individual union members-> less money to pay the bonuses of their union lawyers.
Dr. Pangloss said:
1) Many things happened between 2000-2007. The rise of the Euro gave investors/banks throughout the world much more confidence in bringing into Europe. European countries utilized such confidence/higher credit rating by printing money, selling and buying debt- much like the US had done for the previous decades (minus the buying of debt part). However, not all European countries had the tax base and economic growth to sustain such debts, as the global currency market overrules all governments. Also, much of Europe's real growth has been mainly centered in Germany, due to it's premiere education standards, relatively reasonable fiscal practices, and elite manufacturing base. Much of southern Europe does not have such things, and currency traders are calling "bullshit" on their debt.
2) There have been/currently are multiple bubbles at play. The US housing bubble is different from European nation debt bubbles, US state debt bubbles, and the US federal debt bubble. The foundations of the former were laid in the 90s, encouraged by the US federal government and many state governments (California, Arizona, Nevada, and Florida in particular) and later exacerbated by the US and global financial industry and credit agencies. The facing of the government debt bubbles were accelerated by the US housing bubble. Such debt was never going to be forgotten, as the rest of the world is not going to allow the US and Europe (and Japan) to just print money without any repercussions.
3) Even though my previous may not have made this apparent, but I do not view "capitalism" or "socialism" in the ideological sense that many on GAF do. Those kinds of views should been left in the high school civics class. The modern economies in this world have many complex mechanisms, which defining them en masse as either "capitalism" or "socialism" is a useless exercise. "Free market capitalism" didn't fail anything- it's simply a term to generally describe people buying and selling goods and a specialization of labor. A lot people made a lot of bad decisions which led up to the US housing bubble bursting. In the end, it gave us an important lesson: do not use the housing market as the main source for economic growth- which some still haven't learned.
4) I never said all of our economic problems started with Obama. However, I will say the Obama administration has done the wrong things to achieve meaningful economic growth. Obama himself is a poor leader and his indecisiveness has created much uncertainty within the US markets- prolonging economic stagnation.
elrechazado
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Carolla is funny
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
In this thread, a bunch of people take a cranky comedian's rant way too seriously.
The Technomancer
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Ironically a "free" market is its own worst enemy since trends of power consolidation, left unchecked, result in a decidedly "unfree" one.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Yeah. If you have a free market society with no government intervention, then say hellow to mass income equality, corporate greed, pollution, child labor, no living wage, etc..
Princess Carl
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Yes, because it's just him. You know much of this stems from the 100 other ignorant rants taken as facts right? Because driving by and telling everyone that they are being too serious seems really.... ignorant.
Something Wicked
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Why must many of you take the term "free" to the extreme? For "free markets" most people consider it implying little to no tariffs and lower taxation- not absolutely zero regulation and no taxation. I think most people within the US business and financial communities appreciate the existence of the Fed, SEC, patent laws, and anti-trust laws. It's called a modern economy- and it doesn't need to be completely reworked (at least on the regulation side)- just tweaked here and there.
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