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I think Rickey (of Rickey.org) best explained Nicole's one-woman carnival of stupid tonight:

Rickey said:
A couple of weeks ago, after Astro’s dramatics during The X Factor Final 10 results show, Jim Cantiello interviewed Simon Cowell and asked why there was a “judges vote” on the show during elimination night.

He makes it very clear: sometimes a singer has a bad week and America gets it wrong (putting them in the Bottom 2 for example), and he wanted to have a way to keep someone on the show if that happens.

So is Nicole Scherzinger an idiot or she just didn’t know the rules? All the scenarios from The X Factor results show on Thursday are fail:

1) If she voted to send home Rachel Crow to put it to deadlock because she didn’t want to decide, then she needs to grow a pair.

2) If she voted to send home Rachel Crow to put it to deadlock because she thought Marcus would go home in the vote and didn’t want to look bad to his fans, then she needs to grow a pair.

3) If she voted to send home Rachel Crow to put it to deadlock because she thought Rachel would go, then why did she cry even if there were no tears coming out of her face?

The audience is correct in getting mad at her for flawed logic. Marcus was in the Bottom 2 THREE TIMES and it’s obvious that America doesn’t like him. She should have just put him out of misery, and give what America wanted for 3 weeks now.

And for the conspiracy theorists who believe that Simon Cowell set her up with this — then she is an even bigger idiot for allowing herself to be in a position to be hated by millions of people. She deserved the boos.
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She's been totally useless as a mentor from the beginning, and now she's not even doing the simple job for which she is being paid millions of dollars: being a judge.
 
Notice how she ran off stage after they booed her? She left with Burrito Man.

You can see it barely on the YouTube video on the official channel when Steve says bye and they do a wide shot. She's gone!

Oh and I hate Nicole with a passion. Tonight sealed the deal. Rachel is in every way superior to Marcus. I know people can't stand her here but Marcus has been on the bottom for 3 freaking weeks. He has performed so mediocre over those few weeks and people clearly want him gone. Yes I understand she had the lowest votes but this is also her first time in the bottom 2 and the first time she has underperformed for people (even though I thought her first song yesterday was great and her save me song shit all over Marcus).

Nicole in her heart knew she didn't want Rachel to go and to not have the balls to say Marcus' name and to run off crying is absolute BS.

When asked if she would change her decision now that she knows the outcome, Scherzinger takes a long pause before saying, "I don't know. everything happens for a reason. Rachel, it was a surprise to me that she was in he bottom two and now that she's being sent home. But no, I had to leave it up to America."

Of her decision to leave the elimination up to the public, Scherzinger says, "At this point in the game, I don't want to send anyone home. Marcus had been in the bottom twice already. I wasn't going to make the decision. I just couldn't make the decision, so I left it up to America to vote."

Though Cowell seemed particularly combative with Scherzinger after she sent home Drew last week, he tells us he's not mad at his fellow judge for the choice she made. "I know when someone's doing something for the right reasons and I have to be fair like that," he says. "There were no games being played tonight. Because I thought we were so safe, I thought, that's quite a nice gesture to do, to let Marcus go."

Cowell also tells us that he has to "defend" Scherzinger because he believes she didn't think Crow had the lowest number of votes. "I went to see her afterwards and this is all off-camera stuff," he says. "You know when someone's lying. She was distraught."

Also supportive of Scherzinger's decision? Paula Abdul. "Nicole did not do anything wrong," she tells us passionately. "She did the right thing by saying I'm not going to send anyone home, I care about you too much and let it go to public vote. Remember, two weeks ago, Simon let it go to deadlock with LeRoy [Bell] and Marcus. No one can say, 'You're wrong.'"

Like Abdul and Cowell, L.A. Reid also believes Scherzinger made the right choice, saying, "I applaud Nicole, honestly, because the right thing to do, in my mind, was to go to the public and let the public's vote decide. We don't want to see anyone go home."

Though Scherzinger and Abdul dealt with death threats last week following the elimination of Drew, Cowell has a message for those of you thinking of sending the judges any threats: "Get a life."

While viewers were shocked by Crow's elimination, the singer herself seemed even more shocked, collapsing into tears and falling to the ground sobbing. Her mother even came onstage to console her. "I wasn't shocked," Crow clarifies. "I'm 13. I'm not preparing myself for this kind of stuff. So when it happened, I was like a scared reaction, almost like a look of terror. Then I just find of fell because I was like, I can't breathe."

Viewers were also surprised by Crow seemingly telling her mother, "You promised," but the 13-year-old tells us, "I said, 'You promise it'll be OK? You promise?'"

Also comforting Crow onstage was her mentor, Cowell, who says, "I was trying to console her onstage and she was saying to her mum, 'I was going to win the show.' I mean she was convinced of it and it's a lesson in life and show business."

Crow tells us she did some consoling of her own when visited Scherzinger in her dressing room after the show. "I feel really bad. Nicole was so sad," she says. "I saw her in her room and she was still crying tonight even. I went in there and I was just like, 'It's OK.' She was like, 'No one can calm me down, but you!' I hugged her and it was OK. She's fine. She's amazing. It was not her fault."

Read more: http://www.eonline.com/news/watch_w..._does_nicole_scherzinger/279523#ixzz1g1INDkVx
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See, Cowell's comments indicate she absolutely knew who should stay, but didn't want to look bad making a choice. That's just not doing your job, really.

I'm assuming the counter argument is going to be, "well America didn't vote for Rachael," but that's not really accurate in context because the voting isn't open so nobody knows who's voting for who. The entire purpose of the "judges vote for the bottom 2" was to avoid shit like Daughtry getting eliminated when the voters don't happen to call in on a given week. She knew who the right choice was and just didn't vote because she didn't want to look bad. I mean, for fuck's sake, Marcus has gotten like 3 chances already.

I mean, sure, the other judges are standing up for her by saying that Cowell let it go to deadlock, but the difference there was that he didn't have a clear cut choice with Leroy like Nicole did with Crow here.
 
cynical thought: ever wonder if ALL of this is constructed to maximize viewers and drama? seems like something crafty that simon cowell would do. no hate on him, he's a brilliant guy. but the show seems planned for such drama. remember susan boyle?
 
Archer said:
cynical thought: ever wonder if ALL of this is constructed to maximize viewers and drama? seems like something crafty that simon cowell would do. no hate on him, he's a brilliant guy. but the show seems planned for such drama. remember susan boyle?
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Or to piss off people so when the inevitable Josh vs Melanie final happens they vote against nicole.
 
What an epically avoidable disaster. I can understand LA's vote because Marcus is his guy but if this doesn't prove to people what an immature idiot of a "judge" Nicole is I don't know what does. Cruella DeFool deadlocked when there was no reason to do so, helping eliminate a 13 year old who sings with more soul and personality than many adult artists do for a stale Bobby Brown wannabe who has been in the bottom for THREE WEEKS. She totally deserved to be booed. The whole point of letting the judges vote on this show was a failsafe to get around how stupid or neglectful voters are some weeks. The deadlock is upposed to HAPPEN BY ITSELF when the judges solidly disagree and are clearly split, not to be used as a wimpy cop out but Nicole was too willfully stupid to understand this. It was probably partly to spite Simon too (and get attention) but as he said, we won't be hearing the last of Rachel. And man, is Steve Jones one dry, awkward stuffed shirt of a host. Just lets the girl lie there forcing Simon to run up. Get clueless, overrated vegas dancer dingbat Scherzinger and Jones OFF this show ASAP. Or maybe it's all staged and I'm overreacting but it seemed like pretty genuine idiocy.
 
Agent Unknown said:
The whole point of letting the judges vote on this show was a failsafe to get around how stupid or neglectful voters are some weeks. The deadlock is upposed to HAPPEN BY ITSELF when the judges solidly disagree and are clearly split, not to be used as a wimpy cop out but Nicole was too willfully stupid to understand this.
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Was simon the creator of the show too stupid to realize that too when he sent the leroy bell vs marcus vote to deadlock?

The whole judges vote thing doesn't even work because either the judge votes for their own guy, votes for someone and gets crucified for favoritism, or sends it to deadlock and gets shit even though Rachel got the lowest number of votes.

I see people complaining like Rachel was a favorite to win but lets be real if she was in the bottom 2 she was going home next week anyway. At the end of the day her fans failed to vote and America sent her home.

That is if you really believe the producers have no say in who stays and goes.
 
Agent Unknown said:
What an epically avoidable disaster. I can understand LA's vote because Marcus is his guy but if this doesn't prove to people what an immature idiot of a "judge" Nicole is I don't know what does. Cruella DeFool deadlocked when there was no reason to do so, helping eliminate a 13 year old who sings with more soul and personality than many adult artists do for a stale Bobby Brown wannabe who has been in the bottom for THREE WEEKS. She totally deserved to be booed. The whole point of letting the judges vote on this show was a failsafe to get around how stupid or neglectful voters are some weeks. The deadlock is upposed to HAPPEN BY ITSELF when the judges solidly disagree and are clearly split, not to be used as a wimpy cop out but Nicole was too willfully stupid to understand this. It was probably partly to spite Simon too (and get attention) but as he said, we won't be hearing the last of Rachel. And man, is Steve Jones one dry, awkward stuffed shirt of a host. Just lets the girl lie there forcing Simon to run up. Get clueless, overrated vegas dancer dingbat Scherzinger and Jones OFF this show ASAP. Or maybe it's all staged and I'm overreacting but it seemed like pretty genuine idiocy.
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Actually, I think LA is pretty fucking useless too. I don't care if Marcus is "his guy" (i.e. a guy assigned to him). He's coming in last all the time; stop voting for him. The whole "mentor" thing is pointless as hell. His criticism is almost always baseless and horrible too. He's taking his assigned role as the asshole far too seriously to even give useful feedback.
Pkaz01 said:
Was simon the creator of the show too stupid to realize that too when he sent the leroy bell vs marcus vote to deadlock?

The whole judges vote thing doesn't even work because either the judge votes for their own guy, votes for someone and gets crucified for favoritism, or sends it to deadlock and gets shit even though Rachel got the lowest number of votes.

I see people complaining like Rachel was a favorite to win but lets be real if she was in the bottom 2 she was going home next week anyway. At the end of the day her fans failed to vote and America sent her home.

That is if you really believe the producers have no say in who stays and goes.
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That isn't even comparable because there's at least a legitimate argument to be made that Bell was better than Canty (hint: he is). Your argument only really makes sense without context; people don't vote every week and that's WHY that system supposedly exists. Because people do dumb shit like vote Chris Daughtry off to keep Katherine McPhee on.
 
It's hilarious watching the reaction to the same things as the UK version, it's all the same stuff just on steroids. Just we've had years if it getting increasingly ridiculous, and you're getting the exaggerated version straight away :)

The sing-off is only there to keep certain characters in till the correct exit week, and dump others for the drama and controversy. Each contestant has a different shelf-life, some are early cannon-fodder others are already earmarked for the final.

Deadlock is only used when it's going to get the result they want, if the public vote doesn't match that's when the judges vote accordingly. If they release the voting figures as with the UK one at the end you can match it all up.

X-Factor's template is professional wrestling, not a talent show. It's about the characters, from the judges to the contestants, their stories, and the faux-drama.
 
His words for Canty were not as promising. “I don’t think he’s going to win,” he said. “I think it’s quite clear that it’s down to three people now. Melanie [Amaro], Josh [Krajcik], and Chris [Rene]. If you’ve got Melanie versus Josh in a final… then we’ve suddenly got a fight on our hands. That’s what I’ve always dreamt of — judging a show where you haven’t got an obvious winner.”
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http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/12/09/the-x-factor-judges-nicole-scherzinger-rachel-crow-eliminated/

right simon totally not obvious
 
Pkaz01 said:
Was simon the creator of the show too stupid to realize that too when he sent the leroy bell vs marcus vote to deadlock?
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Simon clearly threw his vote that night because he didn't much care for either of them and thus didn't give a shit who was sent home either way. I agree that judges throwing their votes makes the whole "Judges Save" thing pointless, but I feel that was a different situation.

Nicole articulated that she didn't want to send Rachel home. She said it. She threw her vote because she didn't want to "be the one" to send Marcus home. Well then she needs to grow a fucking spine. Marcus has been in the bottom too many times, and even Marcus' own mentor knew Rachel's performance should have sent him packing. Marcus knew his time had come, putting him out of his misery would have been the best thing to do. Now he's got to do this for another week while KNOWING that he has absolutely no chance of winning and that America pretty much hates him for sending two undeserving contestants home.
 
Simple solution: Don't let the judge who is mentoring the performer have a vote. 3 votes, never a deadlock.

These elimination endings are some of the most awkward moments I've ever seen. You have a robotic host scrambling to get interviews while a little girl is bawling in front of millions and judges are giving each other death stares and the crowd booing whatever the hell is taking place on stage. Hilarious must see TV.
 
Outdoor Miner said:
Simple solution: Don't let the judge who is mentoring the performer have a vote. 3 votes, never a deadlock.

These elimination endings are some of the most awkward moments I've ever seen. You have a robotic host scrambling to get interviews while a little girl is bawling in front of millions and judges are giving each other death stares and the crowd booing whatever the hell is taking place on stage. Hilarious must see TV.
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uhhhhhh

you realize the bottom two had two different mentors right.
 
I never watched X-Factor, but the reactions on Facebook about this poor Rachel this and that when I've never seen that much talk about it before got me to looking on YouTube for a video about this and I found a direct video with direct sound and...


...I had to laugh at the reactions on both ends.

I read through the last couple pages about these two and how the guy was in the bottom two these last three weeks, and shit, even HE was looking like he was counting down his final seconds of being on that stage, and I'm watching this little kid with this shit-eating grin as it goes to deadlock, looking like she already got plans for this 5 mil - then America's vote turns out to be for the guy, both of them looking shocked as hell, and then the kid baws like someone told her she couldn't get that doll at the mall she want. "Mom you promised!".

Probably she conducted herself better from the beginning of the series, probably she didn't, I wouldn't know, but that whole elimination process just came off as being a spoiled brat.

The people voted in the end, that's that. On top of that, I'm sure they'll all get deals, or probably already have deals right now. I just thought it was hilarious when reading all of the boo-hoo reactions from girls and not expecting something like this.
 
Angry Grimace said:
Actually, I think LA is pretty fucking useless too. I don't care if Marcus is "his guy" (i.e. a guy assigned to him). He's coming in last all the time; stop voting for him. The whole "mentor" thing is pointless as hell. His criticism is almost always baseless and horrible too. He's taking his assigned role as the asshole far too seriously to even give useful feedback.
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No, believe me I was definitely not defending LA as a judge, he can be a moron too (complaining about Drew 'singing a song for a 40 year old' yet praising Rachel singing old soul/Motown hits), just saying I know why he chose him.
 
Holy shit at Steve Jones. I will GIF that segment where Simon comes on stage, the look on his face is perfect. I haven't been following this show at all but why all the hate towards Nicole?
 
Jason Raize '75 - '04 said:
Holy shit at Steve Jones. I will GIF that segment where Simon comes on stage, the look on his face is perfect. I haven't been following this show at all but why all the hate towards Nicole?
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The vote was two against Marcus, and one for. She could have voted against Marcus, and kicked him off the show. Instead, she decided that making hard decisions was too much for her sensitive self, and decided to bring it to a deadlock (where the person with the lowest amount of votes goes home). She clearly thought that person would be Marcus, but she was wrong and Rachel got kicked off. She then disappeared off the stage instead of answering Steve Jones's awkward questions.

I forgive her, she's hot.
 
Skilotonn said:
I never watched X-Factor, but the reactions on Facebook about this poor Rachel this and that when I've never seen that much talk about it before got me to looking on YouTube for a video about this and I found a direct video with direct sound and...


...I had to laugh at the reactions on both ends.

I read through the last couple pages about these two and how the guy was in the bottom two these last three weeks, and shit, even HE was looking like he was counting down his final seconds of being on that stage, and I'm watching this little kid with this shit-eating grin as it goes to deadlock, looking like she already got plans for this 5 mil - then America's vote turns out to be for the guy, both of them looking shocked as hell, and then the kid baws like someone told her she couldn't get that doll at the mall she want. "Mom you promised!".

Probably she conducted herself better from the beginning of the series, probably she didn't, I wouldn't know, but that whole elimination process just came off as being a spoiled brat.

The people voted in the end, that's that. On top of that, I'm sure they'll all get deals, or probably already have deals right now. I just thought it was hilarious when reading all of the boo-hoo reactions from girls and not expecting something like this.
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You "had to laugh" at watching a 13 year old girl having her all of her hopes and dreams shattered on live TV in front of your eyes? It's even more rich that you think it makes it better that you prefaced that with, "I don't know who this person is," meaning you don't even know her from Adam.

I don't take the back stories too seriously but, she's an adopted crack baby who lives in abject poverty. That seems like kind of dick criticism.
 
Crumpet Trumpet said:
I still think Disney can strike gold with Rachel. The next Raven. That's So Crow!
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Angry Grimace said:
You "had to laugh" at watching a 13 year old girl having her all of her hopes and dreams shattered on live TV in front of your eyes? It's even more rich that you think it makes it better that you prefaced that with, "I don't know who this person is," meaning you don't even know her from Adam.

I don't take the back stories too seriously but, she's an adopted crack baby who lives in abject poverty. That seems like kind of dick criticism.
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best thing is that chris is a mama's boy living at home with no job of any kind. lulz. gg nicole.
 
WOW.

Nicole clearly does not understand her role as a judge and the ENTIRE POINT OF having the sing-off and not just letting the person with the lowest votes go home like in American Idol.
 
What happened last night can be prevented with a very simple change to the rules. Judges have to vote privately without knowing beforehand how their fellow judges voted. After the votes are in the results are revealed and if there is a tie then the audience vote is the deciding factor. This would prevent people like Nicole from chickening out, because she wouldn't know she had the deciding vote.
 
rogue74 said:
What happened last night can be prevented with a very simple change to the rules. Judges have to vote privately without knowing beforehand how their fellow judges voted. After the votes are in the results are revealed and if there is a tie then the audience vote is the deciding factor. This would prevent people like Nicole from chickening out, because she wouldn't know she had the deciding vote.
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Wouldn't be as dramatic though, which is ultimately what they care about. For all his on-air scowling Cowell and his producers have got to be loving all this.
 
VPhys said:
WOW.

Nicole clearly does not understand her role as a judge and the ENTIRE POINT OF having the sing-off and not just letting the person with the lowest votes go home like in American Idol.
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Singing for your life has never been about that even going back to American Idol (judge's save). Not once can I recall the performance mattering even one bit.
 
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