PlayStation Vita Japanese Launch Thread. "APOCALYPTIC!" says concerned Nuclear Muffin
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Callibretto
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this should be in the OP
EhrgeizVII
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There won't be. Play your UMD's on your PSP.
sakipon
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Not sure if cheaper, but it would be nice if some third party company would try their hand at designing an external UMD drive.
Havent bought one yet. Was DS only in this gen so far, but interested in some games (already bought some titles before the VITA was announced for the collection
). I wont buy something on PSN if there is a physical copy available. Also the second stick helps a lot of PSP games and maybe the screen this time has no problems at all (big PSP problem. The new E1000 seems to no interlacing or ghosting but its an overall downgrade because of no wifi/mono sound)Havent bought one yet. Was DS only in this gen so far, but interested in some games (already bought some titles before the VITA was announced for the collection
Why? You'd be tied to hardware you never owned, as UMD isn't going any further than that passport program with Vita...
Yeah and thats the most disappointing fact about the vita. Its okay to abandon the UMD, but why should we consumers have to pay for Sonys weird habit to introduce redundant storage mediums with a short lifespan. The PSP 3000 is still priced 129 to 159 euro or higher in my country. Too expensive compared to its age/tech. The best price here for the 3DS was 115 euro.
EhrgeizVII
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You don't have to pay for Sony's "weird habits". You buy a Vita, you play Vita games, and if you want to play PSP games you buy them digitally. I don't see the problem here. No one likes UMD.
Dead Prince
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anyone talked about how loud the system gets when playing game? seeing no UMD drive its expected to be quiet? how quiet?
BTW. don't forget to NOT buy the protection plan from the retail store but buy it from PSN lol.
BTW. don't forget to NOT buy the protection plan from the retail store but buy it from PSN lol.
Dead Prince
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when you don't have built in memory for a system it does lol. got to make money somewhere! must be one of those special install part of game on mem card? can't be saves or DLC you can do that on the game card itself.
i'm curious how hot it will get. the 3ds gets pretty damn hot.
djSyndrome
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I don't like Blu-Ray but that doesn't mean I'm not invested in the platform.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
um, played at TGS and on demo booths.... silent ?
(already bought some titles before the VITA was announced for the collection
you didn't have a PSP
you have no intention of now buying a PSP
you knew the Vita was coming out and wanted one
you went out and bought UMD copies of the games you were interested in
and now you are miffed that there's no UMD support on the Vita
... is my understanding correct?
The_Darkest_Red
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You think so? I've never really noticed.
DangerousDave
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UMD are the portable HD-DVD.
By the by, a little confirmation of Vita's memory setup is contained in this presentation:
http://research.scee.net/files/presentations/jordan2011/2011JordanGamingSummit.pdf
256MB of main memory is kept aside by the OS (told ya - multitasking a-go-go, the brute-force way)
The video memory is 'CDRAM'. I'm not sure what that is.
http://research.scee.net/files/presentations/jordan2011/2011JordanGamingSummit.pdf
256MB of main memory is kept aside by the OS (told ya - multitasking a-go-go, the brute-force way
)The video memory is 'CDRAM'. I'm not sure what that is.
it takes a fair bit of use but after some long sessions you can feel the heat. and by "pretty damn hot" i of course meant relative to other handhelds.
Jinfash
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Called it. I have proof.By the by, a little confirmation of Vita's memory setup is contained in this presentation:
http://research.scee.net/files/presentations/jordan2011/2011JordanGamingSummit.pdf
256MB of main memory is kept aside by the OS (told ya - multitasking a-go-go, the brute-force way
The video memory is 'CDRAM'. I'm not sure what that is.
djSyndrome
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Took a bit longer to kill, but the comparison is apt.
The_Darkest_Red
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I think it's just hard for me to tell what's coming from the 3DS and what's coming from my hands at some point.
The last level of Super Mario 3D Land comes to mind.I don't remember the PSP ever getting toasty so hopefully the Vita won't either.
i'd say that the weird habit is yours to collect games for a system yo do not own and pretend they will work on another system.
Also psp has not had a short life, 7 years now, and like every single portable, it has a propietary medium to store games.
On another topic, i think that having Uncharted as a launch title in japan may help expand the franchise there: early adopters will pick whatever game is available for the system and this one being a showcase for the system may convince a few of them and hopefully they will enjoy the game too. I see a good chance to sell +200k copies
256MB of main memory is kept aside by the OS (told ya - multitasking a-go-go, the brute-force way
The presentation reads like the machine has 256MB of main RAM total, and only some of that is available to developers.
It certainly appears as if it was actually cut from 512MB to 256MB, like was rumoured, and then denied.
What part of "256MB is available to developers" did you miss?
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PS Vita has lots of main RAM:
- 256MB is available to developers
Uno Venova
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Engadget has a look at the UI.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/13/playstation-vita-plays-it-smart-with-phone-like-ui-we-go-hands/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/13/playstation-vita-plays-it-smart-with-phone-like-ui-we-go-hands/
TheGuardian
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Nope, the presentation says the PS3 has 256MB of main RAM total, and only some of that is available to developers, not the Vita.
Oh, wait. Haha.
I was reading the next line (PS3) as PS Vita, and thought it was translated poorly or something, because the graph at the bottom is weird.
What are the lines actually supposed to display? If it's available RAM to devs, the PS3 line is wrong, and if it's the total RAM, the Vita's wrong. Mental.
I was reading the next line (PS3) as PS Vita, and thought it was translated poorly or something, because the graph at the bottom is weird.
What are the lines actually supposed to display? If it's available RAM to devs, the PS3 line is wrong, and if it's the total RAM, the Vita's wrong. Mental.
By the by, a little confirmation of Vita's memory setup is contained in this presentation:
http://research.scee.net/files/presentations/jordan2011/2011JordanGamingSummit.pdf
256MB of main memory is kept aside by the OS (told ya - multitasking a-go-go, the brute-force way
The video memory is 'CDRAM'. I'm not sure what that is.
so 256MB RAM + 128MB VRAM for games
256MB reserved for OS?
How much processor is reserved for OS? no info on them reserving a core for example. 256MB sounds a lot to just launch a web browser and friends list.
so sweet! faster than the PS3
Oh, wait. Haha.
I was reading the next line (PS3) as PS Vita, and thought it was translated poorly or something, because the graph at the bottom is weird.
What are the lines actually supposed to display? If it's available RAM to devs, the PS3 line is wrong, and if it's the total RAM, the Vita's wrong. Mental.
The lines represent what is said above
- Vita developers can use 256MB RAM
- PS3 has 256MB RAM
It is Cache DRAM, combining DRAM (dynamic RAM) with a reserved amount of cache memory on place. An hybrid of sorts between DRAM and SRAM.
They confirmed yonks ago that one of the cores is for the OS, three are available to games.
The funny thing is that the web browser doesn't, at launch, 'truly' multitask with a game - the game has to suspend to the last save state to launch the web browser simultaneously.
However, the reason I think it's that much is that the system is designed to let you run up to 6 of those other apps alongside your game. Each probably gets a fixed division of OS resources - a slice of the CPU time and 40-odd MB of RAM. That way they could guarantee you can run any combination of 6 (multitaskable) apps along with your game, while keeping everything 'hot' and without having to suspend and page memory. The browser probably isn't one at launch because (I'd guess) they haven't got its highest resource usage to fit within that ~40MB limit per app yet.
I thought the whole point for harddrive caching was to improve read speeds, wouldn't using cards circumvent that whole problem?
seems a bit brute force as you described. My multitasking apps you mean like the NEAR and chat etc?
I'm sure the games will be fine, but I have a natural aversion to power being sucked away from the game. Thats around a third of the total RAM gone, and a quarter of the CPU cores gone. That could make a big (hypothetical) difference to what a game could acheive.
That would be cool... but, sadly, no.so it's not ram that comes on a compact disc?
From what I've seen, the saving state process for games and transitions between launched applications are very fast and nearly seamless, so... is there really a necessity for "real" multitasking? There are maybe some other limitations for that function?
it wasn't similar enough
Other than the game sound, was quiet when I played it.
Didn't feel hot when we were just holding on to the 2 sides of the unit. Back touch was normal too. Played for 10 minutes before my kid hogged it. Then we just pass it between us for the rest of the hour.
I didn't notice anything abnormal hardware wise. Was more interested to break the software when I was there.
It was 6 apps, including the game when I tried it. I didn't try more than 6 because there was only 6 useful app icons on the desktop. The 7th was a tutorial I think but my memory is vague now.
Ridge Racer requires a memory card, and that game has no reason to use a full 2GB card, lol.
Namco getting kickbacks from Sony for memory card sales confirmed.
is that the launch card limit?
Uno Venova
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Is there any indepth videos of the UI of the Vita.
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