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PG2G said:
It is pretty silly that native apps show up there. Maybe once there are phones with more RAM out there the limit will be bumped up accordingly.
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Yeah that's my hope. If they're smart they'll base tomestone count on the amount of RAM - not keep it fixed.
 
Milly79 said:
Is tombstoning what we are gonna be with forever? I have to admit it's getting quite tedious having to open an app again and go through the startup if you don't have a saved state. They really need to fix it as sometimes I have 2-3/5 in the messaging app.
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Also annoying is that they don't keep the app state in memory when you back out of an app. Sometimes I might launch an app and then realize I have to go to another one, so I use the back button to go back to to the home screen. Or I might keep backing out of some long hierarchy within in app and get dumped back to the homescreen. That app becomes terminated so when I relaunch it again it has to go through the whole loading process.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff817008(v=VS.92).aspx

The Closing event is raised when the user navigates backwards past the first page of an application. In this case, the application is terminated and no state is saved. In the Closing event handler, your application can save data that should persist across instances. There is a limit of 10 seconds for applications to complete all application and page navigation events. If this limit is exceeded, the application is terminated. For this reason, it is a good idea to save persistent state throughout the lifetime of the application and avoid having to do large amounts of file I/O in the Closing event handler.
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PG2G said:
It is pretty silly that native apps show up there. Maybe once there are phones with more RAM out there the limit will be bumped up accordingly.
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giga said:
Also annoying is that they don't keep the app state in memory when you back out of an app. Sometimes I might launch an app and then realize I have to go to another one, so I use the back button to go back to to the home screen. Or I might keep backing out of some long hierarchy within in app and get dumped back to the homescreen. That app becomes terminated so when I relaunch it again it has to go through the whole loading process.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff817008(v=VS.92).aspx


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While I do this on occasion as well, we really only have ourselves to blame. We know what the design is and how to properly use the OS.
 
PG2G said:
We shouldn't have to think about it though. The current fast-app switching is kind of useless honestly :/
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I kind of disagree. The alternative would be to actively have to close an app in order to prevent it from taking up a fast-app slot. That would be more problematic I think.

It's not perfect, but I think it's the right general idea. Having more slots and preventing OS-level apps from taking mutiple slots (multiple IE or messenger, etc) would be a good first step to improving it. Being able to remove something from a slot would be good too (swipe it off screen or something)
 
Raistlin said:
I kind of disagree. The alternative would be to actively have to close an app in order to prevent it from taking up a fast-app slot. That would be more problematic I think
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I don't see a problem with using up more fast app slots as long as they increase it from the paltry five right now. I'd prefer just letting as many apps as possible be left suspended in the memory and terminated only when the OS is running low. Having a single app take up multiple slots sucks too.
 
I see both sides of the argument on multitasking, the iOS method leads to your phone becoming unusable every couple of weeks with no indication of why, but at least it does do what you want it to do when you hit the icon (open where you left it).

The truth is that the tools are there for devs to have deep linked, Tombstoning apps that are truly slick, but it takes much longer to get working than setting a plist parameter in your xcode project so very few are bothering.

Can't blame them really, when the more powerful hardware is available im sure MS will change the way it works and all those devs that did put the effort in will have even more work to do.
 
Ghost said:
I see both sides of the argument on multitasking, the iOS method leads to your phone becoming unusable every couple of weeks with no indication of why, but at least it does do what you want it to do when you hit the icon (open where you left it).
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I have never owned an iOS device with fast app switching (had a 3G) so I haven't had much experience with their implementation. Why would it become unusable? I thought it just kept things in memory until there was no longer any memory and them removed them.
 
PG2G said:
I have never owned an iOS device with fast app switching (had a 3G) so I haven't had much experience with their implementation. Why would it become unusable? I thought it just kept things in memory until there was no longer any memory and them removed them.
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Not sure. I haven't rebooted my iPad 2 in months. It's perfectly fine.
 
dallow_bg said:
Not sure. I haven't rebooted my iPad 2 in months. It's perfectly fine.
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Happened ever since they introduced multitasking on my 3gs, guess its a ram thing. Basically you end up with every app you own in the multitasking bar and anything intensive runs really poorly.
 
Ghost said:
Happened ever since they introduced multitasking on my 3gs, guess its a ram thing. Basically you end up with every app you own in the multitasking bar and anything intensive runs really poorly.
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It is a ram thing and I found that devices with 512MB or more don't suffer from it (like the iPad 2, which I haven't rebooted in a month either).

That said, what you're talking about in iOS is more akin to a task switcher. The apps in there aren't really running and some of them will probably be cleared from the ram too after a while even though they still show up in it.
 
frontieruk said:
never, it was a bit of plexiglass with the tiles on so people didn't get distracted by the handset design as the eye is drawn to the tiles, it was never a prototype it was just a way of showing how the UI looked at scale
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That sucks. I would have switch from an iphone for that.
 
Played some armed this morning, really impressed with the production, definitely the best put together non xbl game I've played. But they need to work on the design a bit, its advance wars but without the rock paper scissors systems, which meant that so far all I've had to do to win is build as many of the cheapest unit as possible. Hopefully they'll add to it.
 
VanMardigan said:
My wife's phone died that same night, also a windows phone. I thought that was all very odd, so that's why I posted it.
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Are those of you with dead battery overnight used Microcell?

http://www.wpcentral.com/att-microcell-draining-batteries

Some people think that's what kill the battery.

On the note of dead .... here is wmpoweruser take on Charlie Kindel (ex-Windows Phone team at Microsoft) comments about why Windows Phone 7 is on life support.

http://wmpoweruser.com/charlie-kindel-is-wrong-about-why-windows-phone-has-not-taken-off/

I am not sure what wmpoweruser try to argue but they pretty much agree with what Kindel was saying which is essentially the mobile phone industry prefer Google model. Copy the iPhone UI but give them (carrier and OEM free reign to pretty screw the customer by not putting in place any restriction because Android is "free". May be Paul Thurrot has a point, Microsoft should may be just give out Windows Phone OS for free and profit from the stores to gain market-share. Selling at a lost is nothing new ... they did it with Xbox.

This is probably why Microsoft always spout the mantra that they are carriers friendly. I have a feeling big change is coming this year with all the corporate shuffle going on at Microsoft.
 
antiquegamer said:
Are those of you with dead battery overnight used Microcell?

http://www.wpcentral.com/att-microcell-draining-batteries

Some people think that's what kill the battery.

On the note of dead .... here is wmpoweruser take on Charlie Kindel (ex-Windows Phone team at Microsoft) comments about why Windows Phone 7 is on life support.

http://wmpoweruser.com/charlie-kindel-is-wrong-about-why-windows-phone-has-not-taken-off/

I am not sure what wmpoweruser try to argue but they pretty much agree with what Kindel was saying which is essentially the mobile phone industry prefer Google model. Copy the iPhone UI but give them (carrier and OEM free reign to pretty screw the customer by not putting in place any restriction because Android is "free". May be Paul Thurrot has a point, Microsoft should may be just give out Windows Phone OS for free and profit from the stores to gain market-share. Selling at a lost is nothing new ... they did it with Xbox.

This is probably why Microsoft always spout the mantra that they are carriers friendly. I have a feeling big change is coming this year with all the corporate shuffle going on at Microsoft.
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its pretty clear that fragmentation is such an overblown and nerdy topic. No one really cares except for the 5% of people who visit forums and tech sites every day and in everyday use it has very little effect when apps and games work on a wide range of versions. This should be very clear to Microsoft of all companies.


Beyond that, sure, Android is a "familiar" OS and WP7 is not. To use this as your main arguing point as to why the product hasn't so far succeeded is as shortsighted as they claim Charlie to be in his article. The "windows" name in association to a phone is also not a boon to its popularity (which to be fair, the article did touch on).

What MS did prove is that you can't have a Apple/Google model hybrid. If MS wanted the level of control they have over carriers and manufacturers they should have brought hardware in house. It was a valuable lesson as people were wondering if such a mesh of roles could exist. Apple sets the rules and gets the ability to market their product wherever and however they want. MS is (mostly) letting carriers or phone manufacturers handle their phones, but the MS model isn't really beneficial to either party so there is little reason to push. The Google model lets carriers do what they want with the phone, lets manufacturers basically guarantee obsolescence, etc.

That being said, lets see where WP is at after Q1 of 2012

edit. Also, crying about not getting enough advertising and marketing push is sooooo 2006/7 Sony fans and should be met with just as much ridicule as that did
 
i don't feel the carriers or the phone makers had any issues with microsoft's model. the problem was solely at retail. retailers had a bad taste in their mouth with the kin and windows mobile. microsoft didn't do enough to educate retailers and consumers on the completely new OS.
 
Just thought I'd share a little story.

Today I went with my cousin (who was off to buy a 4S) to the three store (UK). We happened to be served by the manager. Sitting with him I had a chat, he saw me with my wp7 and asked me how I felt about it. He said he asked because he stopped selling them because "they were shit" (exact words). We had a little debate on why I thought the phone/OS was great. My final question was how the Lumia was doing. His answer was... he started to laugh. Asshole :p

smh. I didn't think the public (well phone store) perception was this bad.
 
besiktas1 said:
Just thought I'd share a little story.

Today I went with my cousin (who was off to buy a 4S) to the three store (UK). We happened to be served by the manager. Sitting with him I had a chat, he saw me with my wp7 and asked me how I felt about it. He said he asked because he stopped selling them because "they were shit" (exact words). We had a little debate on why I thought the phone/OS was great. My final question was how the Lumia was doing. His answer was... he started to laugh. Asshole :p

smh. I didn't think the public (well phone store) perception was this bad.
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wow, it's that bad in the UK too? here in the US, it's just as bad. i went into a store asking for the Titan and they told me the only new windows phones they got were the Skyrocket and the Vivid (both Android phones), WTF.
 
I went to a tmobile store and the guy asked how I liked my Radar. He said it was the first WP he liked out of the bunch, kinda odd since form factor is the main difference, but oh well. Anyway, I asked how it was selling and he said the Radar was doing really well for them.
 
Milly79 said:
I went to a tmobile store and the guy asked how I liked my Radar. He said it was the first WP he liked out of the bunch, kinda odd since form factor is the main difference, but oh well. Anyway, I asked how it was selling and he said the Radar was doing really well for them.
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it's gotta be doing well. there's a black and grey color schemed radar coming.

t-mobile really should jump on the windows phone thing. no iphone, slew of android phones but none of the "droid" hero phones that verizon offers. if promoted correctly, i think t-mobile with a hero windows phone will do very well.

hopefully, t-mo realizes this soon.
 
besiktas1 said:
Just thought I'd share a little story.

Today I went with my cousin (who was off to buy a 4S) to the three store (UK). We happened to be served by the manager. Sitting with him I had a chat, he saw me with my wp7 and asked me how I felt about it. He said he asked because he stopped selling them because "they were shit" (exact words). We had a little debate on why I thought the phone/OS was great. My final question was how the Lumia was doing. His answer was... he started to laugh. Asshole :p

smh. I didn't think the public (well phone store) perception was this bad.
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Three store - also known as the unofficial Apple store. Everything about them is Apple, Apple, Apple.

It's no surprise they stopped selling them, if they were even selling them in the first place. P4U were doing some great deals with heavy advertising in Oct/early Nov, don't know if they still pushing them though.
 
I think they are doing well promoting the Radar. They could do with a higher tier phone like Titan or Focus S ...

In another news there is a rumor of no Verizon Nokia phone.
 
Microsoft needs to let people know about windowsphone.live.com, I just blew my coworkers mind when I showed him what was there and what he could do. He remote installed an app and set up the find my phone stuff.
 
besiktas1 said:
Just thought I'd share a little story.

Today I went with my cousin (who was off to buy a 4S) to the three store (UK). We happened to be served by the manager. Sitting with him I had a chat, he saw me with my wp7 and asked me how I felt about it. He said he asked because he stopped selling them because "they were shit" (exact words). We had a little debate on why I thought the phone/OS was great. My final question was how the Lumia was doing. His answer was... he started to laugh. Asshole :p

smh. I didn't think the public (well phone store) perception was this bad.
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it is unbelievable how people are such friggin sheep... even one of my best friends (who it turns out is an Android fanboy) will not give it any credit.
It's one thing to prefer one thing over another but to dismiss.... a completely beautiful product (just different than the norm) is sad.
knuckleheads,
 
Does anybody know if I can transfer my savegames? I've had a Lumia 800 for a month, but it has to go back to Nokia (reviewcopy). I did buy geoDefense and have finished all except some Hard-levels which I want to continue once I get my own phone.
 
well, I admit I went back to Android.. with the galaxy nexus..

Was tired of using my focus and wanted some new hardware to play with..

I'm watching closely to see what Nokia does in the US.. I'm due for an upgrade in april.. would be neat to have an LTE enabled Lumia device if the rumors are true..

Might just wait until the fall of 2012 to see what is available then, though..
 
VanMardigan said:
How is ICS? I'm really interested in your take as someone who used mango for a good amount of time.
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It's still android.. but ICS is a big improvement from gingerbread in just about every way.

This was largely a hardware motivated purchase, though.. I wanted to see what a 4.65" 720p display looks like.. and it's pretty great.

I guess the easiest way to describe it is that Android 4.0 is android with a lot of the "jank" removed from it. I feel like google has tried to produce a refined user experience this time and has gotten closer than I expected them to.

Having experienced the galaxy nexus now.. I know that I'll never be happy with a standard android phone again.. I've had it a month and I've gone up 2 android versions (started with 4.01, went to 4.02 and then 4.03).. it's nice to just be able to use a AOSP rom that someone built from source and to not have any carrier or manufacturer BS on the device.. it is also a big plus that ICS lets you disable that stuff so it doesn't run or show up in your app drawer, so hopefully the experience will be better for people with normal carrier devices, too.

That said, I am probably going to end up back on windows phone at some point.. just waiting for the right device to dive back in. I'd like microsoft to catch up in terms of hardware.. I know that WP 7 is blazing fast and doesn't really need it.. but I really do want a higher resolution display.. especially after using this thing.
 
Robobandit said:
It's still android.. but ICS is a big improvement from gingerbread in just about every way.

This was largely a hardware motivated purchase, though.. I wanted to see what a 4.65" 720p display looks like.. and it's pretty great.

I guess the easiest way to describe it is that Android 4.0 is android with a lot of the "jank" removed from it. I feel like google has tried to produce a refined user experience this time and has gotten closer than I expected them to.

Having experienced the galaxy nexus now.. I know that I'll never be happy with a standard android phone again.. I've had it a month and I've gone up 2 android versions (started with 4.01, went to 4.02 and then 4.03).. it's nice to just be able to use a AOSP rom that someone built from source and to not have any carrier or manufacturer BS on the device.. it is also a big plus that ICS lets you disable that stuff so it doesn't run or show up in your app drawer, so hopefully the experience will be better for people with normal carrier devices, too.

That said, I am probably going to end up back on windows phone at some point.. just waiting for the right device to dive back in. I'd like microsoft to catch up in terms of hardware.. I know that WP 7 is blazing fast and doesn't really need it.. but I really do want a higher resolution display.. especially after using this thing.
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your welcome back at any point.
 
The Lumia advertisement is still going strong here in the UK. It is everywhere and still gets tons of TV air time, more so than any other consumer product I'd imagine
 
Jason Raize '75 - '04 said:
The Lumia advertisement is still going strong here in the UK. It is everywhere and still gets tons of TV air time, more so than any other consumer product I'd imagine
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canada is still in the cold.
brotkasten said:
Speak for yourself. I don't accept traitors just like that.





I'm kidding. I'll welcome you back, once you smashed that Nexus thing and got a real smartphone, running Windows Phone OS.
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:lol
 
Jason Raize '75 - '04 said:
The Lumia advertisement is still going strong here in the UK. It is everywhere and still gets tons of TV air time, more so than any other consumer product I'd imagine
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I find it interesting here in the US (assuming this is the OEM's decision) that I've seen tons of advertisements for the cheap phones (HTC Radar and the Samsung Focus Flash), but they have chosen to not advertise the high end devices (HTC Titan and Samsung Focus S).
 
brotkasten said:
Speak for yourself. I don't accept traitors just like that.





I'm kidding. I'll welcome you back, once you smashed that Nexus thing and got a real smartphone, running Windows Phone OS.
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haha.. only if it gets smashed by accident.

I'd like to have a poly-amorous smartphone relationship..

right now I'm envisioning the fabled Lumia 900 along side my galaxy nexus.. hopefully Nokia won't let us down and it really is coming :)

edit - if it's any consolation, I miss live tiles. Widgets just don't do it for me anymore.
 
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