well they sure dont belong to a company that actually has a movie studio that spends millions in making films, or maybe they dont belong to a company that's responsible for making almost every gadget known to man??Nintendo just makes games, they dont make tv's, laptops or blu ray players do they?They dont have Music studios either....
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well they sure dont belong to a company that actually has a movie studio that spends millions in making films, or maybe they dont belong to a company that's responsible for making almost every gadget known to man??Nintendo just makes games, they dont make tv's, laptops or blu ray players do they?They dont have Music studios either....
But the fact they did not, with the wii/ds generation, make systems so powerful has the others isn't because they couldn't.
bigtroyjon
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At least they're consistent.[Nintex];33928135 said:
Nintendo has more money than Sony.
Pureauthor
Member
Nintendo also has way less debt (as in, they don't have any.)
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
I don't think there's an assumption of tech growth to the degree you suggest, note the qualifier at the end of my post: "for the majority of casual gamers".
Yes there is still a massive market for the latest & greatest in games tech, but it's hard to ignore the fact that a compelling and profitable market exists, and is growing, for bite-sized, less-than-cutting edge gaming such as that provided by phone/tablet gaming.
Extrapolating this into the rise of an all round computing device that does games/media either on the go or at home seems like an obvious next step to me.
Maastricht
Member
I'm still curious to see what will happen with Vita being the very first portable that can credibly do first-person shooters. Last I recall those are the top selling game types on consoles. I'm not saying that therefore they will be successful on Vita, but with Unreal Engine support as well as twin-sticks and all the touch interfacing, gyro, cam and what not built in, whatever it lacks in visual polish versus its console brethren (I'm sure there will be some sacrifices), it has the potential to make up for it with controls. A good racer on it should also really benefit from better controls. I loved the PSP, but above all I thought the controls were holding it back, along with load-times. The Vita definitely cures all my worries about controls, and load-times should be ok, though I can imagine some games still being relatively slow (it's a lot of data).
Now I'm not saying that the Vita will ever be a mass market device comparable to an iPad, but I think as a gaming device it should have quite a bit of potential to sell. I've been playing Rayman Origins this week, and the idea that a game like that is rather easily ported to Vita, and then looks probably even better on it, gives me a pretty good feeling. Ditto with LittleBigPlanet, which I think should fit Vita like a glove.
Now I'm not saying that the Vita will ever be a mass market device comparable to an iPad, but I think as a gaming device it should have quite a bit of potential to sell. I've been playing Rayman Origins this week, and the idea that a game like that is rather easily ported to Vita, and then looks probably even better on it, gives me a pretty good feeling. Ditto with LittleBigPlanet, which I think should fit Vita like a glove.
AdventureRacing
Member
I just don't really see the appeal of FPS transferring to handhelds. I also don't see the COD crowd really being into dedicated gaming handhelds.
I guess we will find out soon enough.
charlequin
Banned
Well, people said that about MP3 players vs. dedicated stereos too, and yet here we are.
Why would there need to be? Just connect standard Bluetooth controllers. You can sync a Wiimote (or, I presume, a DS3) to an Android tablet right now, much less the hypothetical convergence tablets of the future.
DangerousDave
Member
No, people didn't say this ever. People always had the necessity of playing music in a portable way. Before MP3 players there were discman, and before, walkman, and before, batteries-enabled radiocassetes.
Tablets will never get home console place because you will always be able to have more graphical power in a console than in a tablet. If the tablet is as powerful as the current console generation, there will be the next one that it will be more powerful (because it will have more space to have bigger boards) and cheaper (because it require less miniaturization). And it can substitute a PC for the people that only want to use it as a media manager, to look TV, browse and look facebook.
Also, even in portable gaming, being able to connect a DS3 to a tablet won't be a substitutive. You always have been able to connect a DS3 to a PSP (and even, then, connect the PSP to the TV). But nobody did it, because is much more confortable to have a single device in your hands than use the PSP as "CPU", with TV as output and a DS3 as input.
tekumseh
a mass of phermones, hormones and adrenaline just waiting to explode
At this point, the best feature phone/tablet gaming have going is the cost of the games. IMO, however, every phone/tablet game I've tried really feels like a 5-10 minute distraction rather than a full fledged gaming experience. I would also argue that the usage of touch screen controls only will never be the equal of more advanced control input schemes like the 3DS/Vita will have and can offer. I play mainly when I travel, and the last thing I want is the quick onset of boredom I've seemed to find so far playing tablet style games. The investment in a true handheld system for me is always justifiable given that those games, again to me, seem to offer depth of play that the android/iphone/ipad have failed to offer...
PS - I would also speculate, because I've really only marginally followed the development of the Vita, that developers might be able to utilize assets to make games for both the PS3 and the Vita, and the idea of playing a handheld version perhaps via a transferred save or to play a companion type game with the handheld while on the road is really exciting to me...if in fact I'm right about the similarities between the systems and their respective abilities.
PS - I would also speculate, because I've really only marginally followed the development of the Vita, that developers might be able to utilize assets to make games for both the PS3 and the Vita, and the idea of playing a handheld version perhaps via a transferred save or to play a companion type game with the handheld while on the road is really exciting to me...if in fact I'm right about the similarities between the systems and their respective abilities.
Pureauthor
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Not saying your ultimate prediction isn't correct, but in the current market climate 'more graphical power' isn't worth a fig.
3dsWare has been supplying quality gaming at that price point for several months now. The app price point is unrealistic for anything but throwaway games or existing game ripoffs, and I think the attitude western devs have taken toward portable titles for the most part (preserving the $60 point for their AAA titles) should speak volumes about how they really feel about app store pricing.
Zoramon089
Banned
Kinda defeat the purpose of the form factor, I would rather play on a laptop then.
And MP3s have replaced stereos, or I'm reading that wrong?huh? that makes no sense at all. mp3 players vs dedicated stereos...lol... you do know walkmans and like were very popular way before mp3 was even conceived? was it ever even a war between dedicated and portable music players? your argument makes no sense at any level.
on the other hand, using your $600 tablet as poor replacement for $69 Roku, does not make any sense, unless it is temporary solution. Because that cheap as dirt Roku will be a lot better at what it does than any kind of ipad, ever... and then you can also use your ipad for things it actually does well, and those are not connected to the tv.
i can see it more easily replacing the remote control than home console/entertainment center.
Forbes fancies another go.
Take your pick, something for everyone in this one!
Forbes: Vita doomsday articles 'great for generating traffic', 'far from the reality'
Forbes: Sony PlayStation Vita Still On Track With No Price Cut Imminent
Forbes: PS Vita could well be the end of Sonys portable line-up.
Take your pick, something for everyone in this one!
Forbes: Vita doomsday articles 'great for generating traffic', 'far from the reality'
Forbes: Sony PlayStation Vita Still On Track With No Price Cut Imminent
Forbes: PS Vita could well be the end of Sonys portable line-up.
Interesting stuff. Although I agree that the unit doesn't need (and won't receive) an early price-cut, something about this passage is ringing alarm bells....
Pachter said:
It just sounds very '2005'.
MrCookiepants
Member
What the hell is a Kindle Fire? Some kinda Dark Souls related app?
Opus Angelorum
Member
Pachter said:
This annoys me.
Just because the price of something is higher it does not in any way determine its value.
OneMoreQuestion
Member
DangerousDave
Member
Even if YOU don't like anything of the announced games, there are a lot of people that really want enough of the announced games to buy a 250 console to play them.
OneMoreQuestion
Member
You're one of the lucky ones that only have to fork out $250, unlike Asia and EU. You should probably stay in America
Opus Angelorum
Member
Well beyond the next Xbox and the Playstation 4, I would agree the 'home console' at the very least won't be recognisable.
A tablet in 2020 will be immensely powerful.
Raitosaito
Member
I would personally put 250 bones for it. Sony just needs to give me more than Gravity Rush/Daze or whatever the fuck it's call. Software is king for a dedicated handheld, most of the features don't matter to me, and this is where I'm waiting for Sony to deliver.
Though many people have said the launch lineup looks amazing so maybe it's just not to my taste. If those titles are popular enough people will buy the thing.
Hunter-Zero
Member
People were dropping 250 on 3ds not long ago with a much weaker launch lineup
PSP backwards compatibility for me. I still have a ton of PSP games that I love playing (especially GT
SP & Motorstorm AE, still the 2 best portable driving games ever) and I'm looking forward to getting a shiny new piece of hardware to play them on.I'm deadly serious. Decent Vita games will just be a bonus.
Sleepy Buddha
Member
PSP backwards compatibility for me. I still have a ton of PSP games that I love playing (especially GT
I'm deadly serious. Decent Vita games will just be a bonus.
This. Got P3P on PSN to play but I'm waiting on the Vita. Then there's Persona 4 Golden coming, haven't played P4 but I'm interested and since it'll be an enhanced version, I'll get that one.
For some reason, I don't want to hog the TV to play these games. I prefer to play them either in bed before sleep or on the couch while someone else watches something else on TV...
Plus Gravity Daze/Rush. And maybe Ninja Gaiden Sigma +.
This is weird, I just realized I prefer to play Japanese games on handhelds... and western games on the TV...
I mean, it's actually the main reason I'm getting a Vita. WTF?
That really doesn't address why you think people will want to own a tablet and nothing else for their home entertainment.
Nope, they weren't, that's the point.
charlequin
Banned
No, I'm saying people always said that everyone would always need real home stereo systems, but now we've reached a time where 99% of people listen to music on laptop speakers, tablet apps, or docked iPods.
(I can see I didn't make this point very clearly, since everyone read it as saying the opposite of what I meant.)
Well, this assumes three things: linear growth of graphical capacity, linear growth in developers' capacity to use graphical capacity effectively, and immobile hardware strength relative to its portable equivalents.
On the plus side for stationary hardware, battery tech has been stalled out and that's a pretty big damper on future mobile-hardware plans. On the minus side, though, there's a lot of reason to believe that we're hitting a soft ceiling on developers' ability to maximize new graphical hardware as well as consumers' interest/ability to distinguish it, and the gap between what a console-sized device and a tablet can do has been getting smaller.
Nope, only the Go (i.e. the model no one bought.)
Well, that's just the thing. The Roku is a commodity device. Pretty soon you'll be able to get something that provides all its services for $30 (or they'll all start coming built-in to every new television.) That service is so cheap that it isn't actually an advantage to converge on it. The expensive part of a game console is the hardware that lets it actually play games and that's what can be challenged by other hardware.
Also, tablets aren't going to stay in the $500+ price range for long. Amazon and B&N have already put out mass-market $200-$250 tablets and the capability of such devices is just going to go up over time.
People will want to own whatever has the entertainment they want on it with a value proposition that makes sense to them. A tablet device with Bluetooth and HDMI is capable of providing all the benefits of a home console while also providing flexibility and features the consoles can't. My question is: what factors make dedicated handhelds vulnerable to the (very real) threat of convergence but isolate consoles?
Man, pre-DS/Wii Nintendo used to get these articles all the time from Forbes too. Let's back off of the doom and gloom and give the Vita a good year to prove itself and find its footing. Just now people are shutting up about the 3DS being a flop, and it's had several months to find solid ground.
I hope you're not talking about UMDs...PSP backwards compatibility for me. I still have a ton of PSP games that I love playing (especially GT
Pugging a tablet into a TV by HDMI removes the main positive feature of it being a tablet; the fact that you can carry it around and have it with you anywhere, including being able to view content or websites on it while you watch TV.
A Twisty Fluken
Member
The Roku purple box is $50 brand new, to your point, so 'pretty soon' is probably even a bit conservative.
Uh, no it doesn't. It's an awesome feature. You can store 5-6 movies on an SD card, watch them while traveling, and finish them in the hotel room or somewhere else on a TV. Whenever I go on a trip, I always put several movies I've never seen on SD cards and go through them on my Xoom as I go, but if I'm at a TV on the trip, I much prefer the larger screen and the better sound.
Nah, I'm all about digital. Already re-bought my UMD games on PSN because I had a PSP Go (which I lost, breaking my fragile heart). Any that don't go up on PSN (Just my Initial D: Street Stage really) I can just play on my old PSP2000. I must be the only guy on GAF desperately hankering after a Vita so I can play GT: PSP on it.
You do realise that you can also unplug the tablet, don't you?
Imagine a console that lost none of it's features when you removed the TV. That's pretty much the idea.
This. I'm interested in getting a Vita, hardware looks great. Problem is there are no games out that interest me enough and the PSP library (which I'd love to dive into) is locked off behind too much hassle for me.
Mihos
Gold Member
What hassle? You click the 'buy' button....
You're ignoring all the people who use their tablets for websites or apps while they watch TV. They are not going want to have their tablet plugged into the TV and unusable for anything else while it powers what's on the big screen. It's not just about movies.
You do realise that the main appeal of tablets are wirleess portability and multitasking? Plugging a tablet into the TV and losing the ability to use it while it on your lap while it displays content on the TV is very unappealing. Are people supposed to use their tablet as a remote control or a controller for games while it's hooked up by a 15 foot HDMI cable?
I'm sure that number is far off.
charlequin
Banned
Well, that's true of an iPod/iPhone too, but people still plug those into docks to listen to music.
The multitasking objection is a good reason not to use a tablet as a TV box but less so as a reason not to use it as a game console, since you're unlikely to be multitasking the same way while playing a game.
(And, as others are pointing out, the converse of that is now you can pause a game on the TV, undock the tablet, and continue it anywhere else.)
I have a tablet and I'm well aware of what I use it for. The device loses none of its appeal when you expand its theoretical capabilities. In fact, quite the opposite.
I've wanted the future that is being hinted at since the first time I docked my PSP Go.
we.are.the.armada
Member
I still believe this with regard to dedicated consoles but I think that part of the appeal for tablet/phones is how they are convergence devices and suddenly it's like, "It only takes accessibility to my many things". Man, it's going to be an interesting couple of years for sure.
You're one of the lucky ones that only have to fork out $250, unlike Asia and EU. You should probably stay in America
Yeah, and with current rates, America has a pretty sweet deal. I'm buying like 3 Vitas at launch, so it'll help for sure.
Also, you... you have a nice avatar, and it reminds me of this guy's post...
Soon. I hope. Sheesh.