Black Mamba
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Then if it's not a photoshop, it was obviously due to a lack of rosters being updated or some other glitch thanks to the lockout.
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Then if it's not a photoshop, it was obviously due to a lack of rosters being updated or some other glitch thanks to the lockout.
But last season he had a PER of 15.8--better than average. Any GM or coach who wanted him based on that would have been fucked. Obviously this is SSS and he could still rise to his former levels PER-wise--but anyone who watches the games knows that even last year, Corey was not contributing at the clip PER suggested he was. So if it's not predictive of wins, what the hell's the point? For pointless ESPN this-player-is-better-than-that-player style arguments? I can find lots of other stats that will tell me if a player's been good or bad this season.
ThisWreckage
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Augustin's trade value has to be through the roof now.
benjipwns
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Uhh, it's almost the exact opposite. The more you shoot, the more your PER goes up, even if you don't make more than 35% of them.
It's one of a couple known flaws that Hollinger can't/won't fix. Like the assisted % part. Although unlike that part you can't simply replace the input, you'd have to rewrite the entire thing and make it far more non-linear and harder to calculate. And I don't think it'd work with the ESPN data anymore.
It's an older stat from when we only had box scores, that has because of its wide press acceptance and replication of per game stats become far popular and easier to grasp the basics. EWA is Hollinger's attempt to translate it into projecting wins.
Diprosalic
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hey, leave my man thabo out of this.
Irving at halftime; 13 points, 3 ast, 3 reb. 1 block, zero turnovers in 13 min.
Eat those complex stats.
Yeah, doesn't he just assume a constant for assisted % when we have the actual data? I mean, like I said, I have reservations about basically all advanced basketball stats, but PER really is one of the shittiest.
lol unlikely.
what is that from. I must get this.
What's truly funny is the NY fans acting like Baron will flu game the season for the Knicks and make Amare into an all-star again.
benjipwns
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It assumes the team %, which you had to do back in 1989 through about 2002 because you didn't have any other data. Personally, it's good he's not tinkering with it so that it stays the same metric over history. (Winston and Sagarin changed the WinVal formula so much you can't use it to compare between years or properly examine past projections. Berri has a similar problem with WP, though it's not as big.)
What's not good is how ESPN treats it.
Hollinger is a far better writer than statistician, which makes sense, his background is journalism and he has always worked in sports journalism. And it's why PER is linear weight and uses boxscore stats, it's something he could calculate easily. (Look at any attempt Simmons has done to make an actual formula based rating system.) He got his fame from stats because of his ability to put words and observations to the stats. It's why he won't ever work for an NBA team but Dan Rosenbaum, Dean Oliver, etc. have been for nearly a decade. (Dean's an alright writer, but his background is engineering and statistical applications so it's no shock that his statistical models are far more complex and exacting than Hollinger's.)
That doesn't change the inherent hilarity of Jason Richardson adding 41 wins to a team.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Jazz have had probably the best injury luck in the entire league so far: Lakers without Bynum (not an injury but he's out, whatever), Hornets without Eric Gordon, and now the Bucks without Bogut (actually not an injury either, "personal matters", whatever). And no injuries to Harris or Howard. Very inflated record on the way, oh yeah, except inflated win totals don't help the team at all this year :/
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS I DONT EVEN
You can't use advanced metrics in free flowing sports to determine anything of significance.
Why don't Milsap play 30+ minutes a game? I'm confused when I see the minutes played for the players on that team in games.
Bay Maximus
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Yeah, they are doing a good job at harassing D-Rose too.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The only rational explanation for the minutes situation is that the team is desperately trying to inflate Al Jefferson's trade value so they can dump him because otherwise, him taking so many minutes and shots from Favors, Millsap, and Kanter makes no sense. And then there's the Raja Bell situation (averaging 20 minutes a game, scoring two points a game on terrible efficiency while not being guarded and not contributing anything on defense) which might be one of the worst things ever.
Agent Icebeezy
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In watching the Hawks/Bulls, they run more offense through McGrady than I thought they would. Also, a scorer is always going to be a scorer.
Net_Wrecker
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JR on OKC commentary.
I'M MARKING OUT, BRO
I'M MARKING OUT, BRO
Better than Stacey King
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
This is so the Nets season
Net_Wrecker
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JR on commentary is like the highlight of OKC's season. All downhill from here.
Grimm Fandango
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Hawks-Bulls is pretty dreadful so far.
Everyone can't have cool names like Magnum Rolle.
Yeah, Harden is pretty good but I wouldn't call him a superstar by any stretch.
bowling shoe ugly
p. sure they mean Ibaka
That was going to be my first joke but I decided on laughing_jordan.gif instead.
I love how BSPN has already anointed their FThunder vs. Heat finals. Again.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
I'm watching the Thunder game right now...how come I don't hear JR? Or is he just not going all out JR and containing his voice a bit? LOL
I'm watching League Pass, btw. DirecTV
I'm watching League Pass, btw. DirecTV
reggieandTFE
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This Bulls-Hawks game is ugly as hell. Terrible officiating and ugly ass offense on both sides: the Hawks throwing up stupid, lazy jumpers and the Bulls not being able to create any shots.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Yeah I mean, dude cant even take Thabo's spot on the starting lineup? Weaksauce
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