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[Spinning Plates]

Which is exactly what they should've done. Or are you advocating that all players wave imaginary cards after suspect challenges?

It didn't require Nani's legs to snap in two for it to be a challenge with potential to cause serious harm.

You can still appeal for a foul as you carry on playing unless you are Rooney who whilst not waving an imaginary card waves his arms at the ref as if he'd just scored a goal.

I'd expect nothing less from him though as he probably feels inferior to Kompany and usually gets frustrated whenever he plays against him so he'd be happy to see the back of him.

 

[Clegg]

I took that as a jab at Rooney as well.

Thats what I was thinking too.

Rooney probably needs that kick up the ass. No player wants to end up like Gascoigne.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

You can still appeal for a foul as you carry on playing unless you are Rooney who whilst not waving an imaginary card waves his arms at the ref as if he'd just scored a goal.

I'd expect nothing less from him though as he probably feels inferior to Kompany and usually gets frustrated whenever he plays against him so he'd be happy to see the back of him.

So it's less of a red card because players didn't get up in arms about it?

It didn't seem so bad because Nani didn't get hurt and anticipated the challenge, that's why there was no arm waving apart from Rooney who seemed to see it.

I'm really not sure what you're arguing for here.

 

[Vivalaraza]

I loved Keane saying "Nanis never gonna get involved in a 50-50" or something to that effect.

Actually a bit harsh on Nani cos he is a brave player but made me laugh none the less.

 

[José Mourinho]

He took "nothing of the man" simply because Nani saw him coming and jumped. If Nani hadn't jumped, he would have a 50/50 chance of keeping the ball at the risk of breaking his legs. How is that a brilliant challenge?

This is the point that has been made over and over. Any challenge runs the risk of breaking a leg. Why should a player be penalised and subsequently sent off for a well timed/taken two footed tackle, whilst other players get yellows for grim one footed challenges. It would be better if there wasn't a blanket rule for the tackles and each was judged on it's own merit.

 

[Kozak]

He took "nothing of the man" simply because Nani saw him coming and jumped. If Nani hadn't jumped, he would have a 50/50 chance of keeping the ball at the risk of breaking his legs. How is that a brilliant challenge?

I agree with you and I think red was right. I wish that most referees saw it this way.

This is the point that has been made over and over. Any challenge runs the risk of breaking a leg. Why should a player be penalised and subsequently sent off for a well timed/taken two footed tackle, whilst other players get yellows for grim one footed challenges. It would be better if there wasn't a blanket rule for the tackles and each was judged on it's own merit.

No it doesn't. Any bad challenge runs the risk of breaking a leg.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Interesting to compare this two footed tackle that Nani got sent off for against Villa:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc6qes_nani-tackle-vs-aston-villa-red-card_sport

Not dissimilar and people largely accepted it (apart from Hansen lol).

 

[José Mourinho]

I agree with you and I think red was right. I wish that most referees saw it this way.




No it doesn't. Any bad challenge runs the risk of breaking a leg.

So why is every two footed tackle automatically a nailed on dangerous tackle?

It's not.

 

[José Mourinho]

Interesting to compare this two footed tackle that Nani got sent off for against Villa:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc6qes_nani-tackle-vs-aston-villa-red-card_sport

Not dissimilar and people largely accepted it (apart from Hansen lol).

That is slightly worse imo. But I don't think that's a sending off either. Maybe I just like it rough, but both challenges took the ball.

 

[Kozak]

So why is every two footed tackle automatically a nailed on dangerous tackle?

It's not.

When your studs are up it is.

Look at his challenge..its ridiculously bad.

 

[Labadal]

I've been keeping an eye on Fiorentina highlights, mostly because of Jovetic. He's really good. If Liverpool decide to spend money, this guy would be a great signing.

 

[Broder Salsa]

Maybe I just like it rough

A/S/L?

I've been keeping an eye on Fiorentina highlights, mostly because of Jovetic. He's really good. If Liverpool decide to spend money, this guy would be a great signing.

Yeah he's really good. Wanted him at Chelsea too for a while now.

 

[Spinning Plates]

Two footed tackles are not the only tackles capable of breaking legs.

Giggs' tackle on Aguero from behind (one footed) could have caused an injury just as bad. Not with his leading foot but via his trailing leg and shin running through the back of Aguero's planted foot.

Kompany's is two footed but only his left foot is dangerous and even then that is only at ankle height. His right foot and leg isn't going straight into the ball, he is moving it in from the side like an 'out to inwards' motion. If both Kompany's legs were as one and going in the same way as his left foot went in then fair enough that would be worthy of a red.

 

[Yurt]

I see Kyle's point, but based on the rules, it's a red card.

And based on the rules, that wasn't a penalty, Milan.

I've been keeping an eye on Fiorentina highlights, mostly because of Jovetic. He's really good. If Liverpool decide to spend money, this guy would be a great signing.

GREAT player.

 

[José Mourinho]

When your studs are up it is.

Look at his challenge..its ridiculously bad.

As Hanson says in that video posted above, how do you slide in that direction and not show your studs? And that still doesn't change the fact that somebody could slide in studs not showing and make a bad challenge, whilst another player could slide in studs up with a well timed challenge and instantly walks.

I know that's the rule, but it's a rule I'd love to see changed. Like I said before, we should see each challenge judged on it's own merit.

I've looked at it. I think it's a well time challenge.

A/S/L?

I lol'd

 

[WJD]

Two footed tackles are not the only tackles capable of breaking legs.

Giggs' tackle on Aguero from behind (one footed) could have caused an injury just as bad. Not with his leading foot but via his trailing leg and shin running through the back of Aguero's planted foot.

Kompany's is two footed but only his left foot is dangerous and even then that is only at ankle height. His right foot and leg isn't going straight in to Nani, he is moving it in from the side like an 'out to inwards' motion. If both Kompany's legs were as one and going in the same way as his left foot went in then fair enough that would be worthy of a red.

Thing is, the referee couldn't analyse the tackle like that and had to make a decision. Foy may well be worse than most, but I'd say the debate should be more towards the video technology side than the "shit call by the ref" side.

 

[Bumhead]

He took "nothing of the man" simply because Nani saw him coming and jumped. If Nani hadn't jumped, he would have a 50/50 chance of keeping the ball at the risk of breaking his legs. How is that a brilliant challenge?

Does he jump? He evades the challenging leg, but it's not like he's leaped out of the way of a ridiculously high challenge like you see in other circumstances, such as the Spearing sending off a while back.

You can talk about leg breaking challenges all you like, but where do you draw the line. Leg breaks happen, and for both stronger and weaker challenges than Kompany's today. But leg breaks happen when clumsy defenders go in for rash challenges at the expense of winning the ball. That's not happened. Kompany has gone in, he's won the ball. He's taken the entire ball, won the challenge perfectly cleanly and the attacking player hasn't even been brought to ground in the process.

Like I've said, the letter of the law say's it's sending off and to a certain extent Foy was justified. But I thought Kompany won the challenge incredibly well and can feel agrieved that he's fallen foul of the definition of the rules of the game.

 

[Vivalaraza]

Apparently Fletcher was in the United end today along with Ashley Young.

Good to hear! Fletcher must be feeling better.

 

[faridmon]

We are awful right now, but knowing the fact that Man United have similiar crisis makes me feel better

Spoiler

not really

Was kermit banned? why?

 

[José Mourinho]

Does he jump? He evades the challenging leg, but it's not like he's leaped out of the way of a ridiculously high challenge like you see in other circumstances, such as the Spearing sending off a while back.

You can talk about leg breaking challenges all you like, but where do you draw the line. Leg breaks happen, and for both stronger and weaker challenges than Kompany's today. But leg breaks happen when clumsy defenders go in for rash challenges at the expense of winning the ball. That's not happened. Kompany has gone in, he's won the ball. He's taken the entire ball, won the challenge perfectly cleanly and the attacking player hasn't even been brought to ground in the process.

Like I've said, the letter of the law say's it's sending off and to a certain extent Foy was justified. But I thought Kompany won the challenge incredibly well and can feel agrieved that he's fallen foul of the definition of the rules of the game.

Bang on.

 

[kharma45]

Was kermit banned? why?

Yeah he's out for four months, it was something he said in the Penny Arcade thread.

 

[Spinning Plates]

Thing is, the referee couldn't analyse the tackle like that and had to make a decision. Foy may well be worse than most, but I'd say the debate should be more towards the video technology side than the "shit call by the ref" side.

Ref is about 20 yds away from the tackle and is looking around James Milner. I think Rooney gets him sent off.

 

[José Mourinho]

Rambo! 2-0

 

[Dark Machine]

Not sure if it's been posted yet, but John Barnes just talked a big load of sense on Sky News about Racism in football. Absolutely great to hear, worth watching no matter who you support. Lasts only 5 minutes too.

 

[GQman2121]

Ramires: 2-0

Maybe now the kids can come on....? I mean I know AVB is under pressure for results, but give Lukaku or Josh some minutes, please!

 

[José Mourinho]

Rambo! 3-0 :lol

 

[GQman2121]

Ramires: 3-0

 

[Carbonox]

Going by what I'm reading, it seems Torres is starting to play very very well...as a provider? I think the last game he played in I read that despite not scoring, the rest of his play has been brilliant, especially assist-wise.

 

[Yurt]

I want in on the fun!

Any decent streams?

 

[José Mourinho]

Going by what I'm reading, it seems Torres is starting to play very very well...as a provider? I think the last game he played in I read that despite not scoring, the rest of his play has been brilliant, especially assist-wise.

He got quite a few assists in the early UCL matches too. I was saying to people the other day, it's almost like he's changed his role, and he actually seems to play well at it too.

 

[Bumhead]

YYEEEAAAAHHHH

Fucking get on, 1-0 up on West Ham. Chris "The Rock" O'Grady..

 

[GQman2121]

Going by what I'm reading, it seems Torres is starting to play very very well...as a provider? I think the last game he played in I read that despite not scoring, the rest of his play has been brilliant, especially assist-wise.

Here he is Vs. Wolves. You be the judge.

 

[José Mourinho]

I want in on the fun!

Any decent streams?

If it's the Chelsea game you're talking about there's not streams as it's not televised. Listening to Radio 5Live website.

 

[TeegsD]

So apparently Downing was arrested last night?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rrested-punching-ex-girlfriend-nightclub.html

 

[Yurt]

If it's the Chelsea game you're talking about there's not streams as it's not televised. Listening to Radio 5Live website.

Oh man..

 

[Bumhead]

11 fucking minutes?

 

[Moobabe]

Going by what I'm reading, it seems Torres is starting to play very very well...as a provider? I think the last game he played in I read that despite not scoring, the rest of his play has been brilliant, especially assist-wise.

He's having to drop deeper to collect the ball because we don't play a linking midfield player; and by coming deeper he's getting involved in a lot more of the build up play.

 

[José Mourinho]

Super Frank 4-0. Love it.

 

[GQman2121]

Lampard: 4-0

So apparently Downing was arrested last night?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rrested-punching-ex-girlfriend-nightclub.html

What?!

 

[British Monsoon]

11 minutes of extra time, lol.

West Ham are utterly worthless, we just never look like scoring, zero attacking impetus, no ingenuity and a total lack of creativity. If this is the brand of football Fat Sam has been harping on about aiming towards, I want no part of it. All season we've been so dull and negative, and then he wonders why the home fans boo him and the team off the pitch, because win or lose, West Ham fans have come to expect a certain style of football that at the moment we just aren't providing.

 

[Scum]

So apparently Downing was arrested last night?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rrested-punching-ex-girlfriend-nightclub.html

Dumbass.

 

[Carbonox]

He's having to drop deeper to collect the ball because we don't play a linking midfield player; and by coming deeper he's getting involved in a lot more of the build up play.

It's definitely paying off I think (without him getting goals), as he seems to contribute well for the other players. He's very good at ball distribution I think, on top of his movement, so he's gotta do something until one day - maybe - he gets the player behind him that can help get back to being a top scorer.

 

[Moobabe]

It's definitely paying off I think (without him getting goals), as he seems to contribute well for the other players. He's very good at ball distribution I think, on top of his movement, so he's gotta do something until one day - maybe - he gets the player behind him that can help get back to being a top scorer.

It has to be Mata - Ramires, Meireles and Lampard are too similar to play in a 3 man midfield. Ramires has been immense for us this season - and 2 goals again today proves it.

 

[Bumhead]

11 minutes of extra time, lol.

West Ham are utterly worthless, we just never look like scoring, zero attacking impetus, no ingenuity and a total lack of creativity. If this is the brand of football Fat Sam has been harping on about aiming towards, I want no part of it. All season we've been so dull and negative, and then he wonders why the home fans boo him and the team off the pitch, because win or lose, West Ham fans have come to expect a certain style of football that at the moment we just aren't providing.

If it makes it any easier, we're an incredibly difficult side to play against and breakdown. Physically we're massive allover the pitch (we get accused of being "bullies" every time we beat a team in League One) and we've not lost at Hillsborough all season. Perhaps not the type of side to be making 7 changes against, and not a side that teams generally get alot of joy out of by playing hoofball if that's what West Ham have come with today (and I'm assuming.. under Allardyce..)

That said, we've lost 5 points in the last few weeks due to crumbling in massive amounts of extra time so you might win this yet.

 

[British Monsoon]

Perhaps not the type of side to be making 7 changes against, and not a side that teams generally get alot of joy out of by playing hoofball if that's what West Ham have come with today (and I'm assuming.. under Allardyce..)

That's pretty much our only speed under Allardyce, hoof it to the big man (Cole/Carew) to head it down for the little man (Baldock/Piquionne/Sears), maybe score a goal from open play, but more likely score from a set-piece and then sit back to stifle the game until full time.

Oh well, that's our cup dreams done for this year - well played to your lot though, you were thoroughly more deserving, by far the better team in the second half and created more clear-cut chances than us in the first. And hey, at least we lost to the proper Sheffield team and not the goddamn Blades.

 

[Bumhead]

Oh well, that's our cup dreams done for this year - well played to your lot though, you were thoroughly more deserving, by far the better team in the second half and created more clear-cut chances than us in the first. And hey, at least we lost to the proper Sheffield team and not the goddamn Blades.

Haha, cheers mate. I didn't go today but laughed my head off hearing some of the banter about the Pigs from both sets of fans.

That's a good result for us today. Proper cup tie by the sounds of it between two proper clubs. Praying we get Manchester United away next round now.

 

[Mr. Luchador]

So apparently Downing was arrested last night?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rrested-punching-ex-girlfriend-nightclub.html

Full of classy players...

 

[Fady K]

Wow, a Chelsea game where rather than concede in the last 10 minutes, they score THREE? I'll take it :]

 

[Ushojax]

Just watched the manc game on my Sky+. I think the red card was a borderline one but I can see why it was given. It was a dangerous challenge and with this numpty of a referee he is probably going to send you off.

United had some good performances, like Valencia and Smalling, and some shit like Nani and Jones. Aguero and Milner put in a good shift for City, but Kolarov was a disaster and should have been punished for another foul in the box in the second half, Nasri was utter, utter shit just like he was for Arsenal in the second half of last season. United didn't deserve to win 3-0 but City didn't really deserve a replay either, 3-2 is about right.

 

[kitch9]

This is the point that has been made over and over. Any challenge runs the risk of breaking a leg. Why should a player be penalised and subsequently sent off for a well timed/taken two footed tackle, whilst other players get yellows for grim one footed challenges. It would be better if there wasn't a blanket rule for the tackles and each was judged on it's own merit.

Because two footed challenges are illegal, period.