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US PoliGAF 2012 | The Romney VeepStakes: Waiting for Chris Christie to Sing
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"I didn't really start following politics until August 28th, 2008 so i'm sorry i was unaware, LAMESTREAM MEDIA!"
Joe Shlabotnik
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Please don't be a person who falls for this canard like I did in 2000. Confession time: I voted for Nader twelve years ago. With the HUGE caveat that this was in New York, and I would have voted for Gore if New York was within fifty percentage points of contention. Still, I was bored/disenchanted enough with the "establishment" options to toss (away) my vote to a guy who would "shake things up".
Anyway it turned out one of those "twin" candidates would invent a $4 trillion war which was likely the furthest thing from the other candidate's mind. Whoopsie.
There are always substantive differences between the party candidates. It's your prerogative to vote for who you want to be President, and I think voting for anyone is preferable to not voting at all, but I thought we already learned a very hard and very recent lesson about the pox-on-both-houses fallacy.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Thanks, man.
Nice to see that somebody appreciates me : )
I appreciate everyone here, believe it or not. I do more reading than posting (that's probably good for everyone) but I find it good to have my political beliefs/opinions challenged. It's easy to get caught up in the partisanship and the back and forth over which side is lying (c'mon, they all are) and who the good or bad guys are (they're all bad. especially Democrats), but a lot of discussions here have made me think hard about long-held beliefs about the role of government in our lives. Thank you everyone for the discussions. Really.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
My brother subscribes to the, "fuck 'em all" platform and it frustrates me because he's never bothered to really look at what happens in our government beyond the nightly news, which of course distills every issue down to, "neither side will cooperate lolz!" I don't think he's ever voted, actually.
RustyNails
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I wont believe any of this until you prefer Al Gore over Ronald Reagan!
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
L O L
Also, apparently CNN is telling people that they're going to "Let the candidates go after each other all night" during tomorrow's debate. If true, should be fantastic to see now that Romney finally started ripping Gingrich.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Forgot to mention--Rasmussen is now saying Gingrich got a huge jump after the debate and now trails Romney by 3. While watching the debate and the crowd reaction, the only thing I could think of was, "Gingrich is going to take SC."
Here is former Democratic Senator Chris Dodd explaining why SOPA/PIPA are just and why the actions of Wikipedia et. al are an "abuse of power."
This is your daily reminder that it isn't as simple as Republicans = bad, Democrats = good.
This is your daily reminder that it isn't as simple as Republicans = bad, Democrats = good.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I still don't think it is going to happen, but stranger things have.
So glad that dipshit Dodd is gone.
ClovingWestbrook
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Dodd was and is still a cancer on the human species family tree.
We'll see. December industrial production came out today:
Industrial production in December posted a healthy gain but the manufacturing component was even more robust. Overall industrial production rebounded 0.4 percent after dipping 0.3 percent in November. The latest number came in slightly lower than the consensus forecast for a 0.5 percent jump. By major components, manufacturing made a 0.9 percent comeback, following a 0.4 percent drop in November. The market median forecast for the manufacturing component was for a 0.5 percent gain. Econoday has added this component to its consensus forecasts. In December, utilities fell 2.7 percent while mining output expanded 0.3 percent.
Within manufacturing, durable goods rose 0.9 percent in December. Wood products, primary metals, and machinery registered gains of more than 2 percent. Some weakness was seen in nonmetallic mineral products, aerospace and miscellaneous transportation equipment, and furniture. Nondurable goods advanced 0.8 percent in December. Textile & product mills, petroleum & coal products, chemicals, and plastics & rubber products all gained 1.0 percent or more. Paper and apparel & leather fell.
Overall capacity utilization rebounded to 78.1 percent from 77.8 percent for November. Market expectations were for 78.1 percent.
The manufacturing sector appears to have regained some momentum and it is broad based.
Within manufacturing, durable goods rose 0.9 percent in December. Wood products, primary metals, and machinery registered gains of more than 2 percent. Some weakness was seen in nonmetallic mineral products, aerospace and miscellaneous transportation equipment, and furniture. Nondurable goods advanced 0.8 percent in December. Textile & product mills, petroleum & coal products, chemicals, and plastics & rubber products all gained 1.0 percent or more. Paper and apparel & leather fell.
Overall capacity utilization rebounded to 78.1 percent from 77.8 percent for November. Market expectations were for 78.1 percent.
The manufacturing sector appears to have regained some momentum and it is broad based.
That was for December, and the mid-January regional report you quoted seems to confirm momentum into January. I've seen a number of optimistic manufacturing forecasts showing it growing faster than the economy overall in 2012; I know TA has posted some as well. This seems to reinforce them.
RustyNails
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Chris Dodd took the most from financial institutions. And he crafted the finreg bill. He was worse than Ben Nelson and every other "blue dog" combined.
People(especially politicians) should be more defined by their actions rather than the letter next to their name of network news.
Dodd, as evidenced many times in his career, is a self-serving scumbag.
Anticitizen One
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Obama vs. Romney is going to be hilarious because they are virtually identical candidates
Whoever wins. WE LOSE
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
lol wtf?
Oh god, not this shit again.... Have you even read their positions or is lazy = cynicism these days?
empty vessel
Member
I can.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
It's South Carolina.
Phoenician_Viking
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Good economic news are very good for Obama. My biggest concern was that the economy would go to shit, and Americans would blame Obama, and vote Republican.
RustyNails
Member
Which is exactly why his approval rating isn't in the shitter.
speculawyer
Member
I'm sure Gingrich knows more about running as a GOPer in the south than any of us.
The Librarian
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Great Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert segment last night. Especially the end. Apparently Jon Stewart can use the funds from the Super PAC to pay any fines he might receive.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...-coordinating-on-super-pac.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...-coordinating-on-super-pac.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
Anticitizen One
Banned
"positions" change depending on which way the wind is blowing.
I'll still vote for Obama but I can tell you that the next 4 years will be virtually identical no matter which guy wins.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
lol. So if Romney would've won in 2008 we would've had financial regulation reform, health care reform, student loan reform, got out of Iraq, repeal of DADT, etc., right?
smokeandmirrors
Banned
The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.
They seem logical until you realize that the free market couldn't solve all issues, especially ones that are dependent on a functioning society. The idea that the free market mimics survival of the fittest is however true to a point. Both the free market, and survival of the fittest both adapted to better suit survival - survival of the fittest by animals evolving so that they can better communicate and socialize with one another so they can help each other better survive - and the free market by poisoning itself to the point where people got fed up and started acting like a society and creating rules and regulations to better increase the odds of survival of humans and the rest of the world.
The simple truth is the world started out with a completely free market, and over time people placed limitations over it so it wouldn't suck so bad. Paul's "I made myself on my own, and so can you if you would just believe in the power of liberty" is a lie, a seemingly logical lie when you start with half truths based on partial observations.
RustyNails
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There's a fine line between political apathy and being an ignorami. Actually there isn't. Romney is running on premise of more tax cuts, less government regulations, less spending, neocon like hawkish foreign policy and repealing of Obamacare. Obama wants rich to pay more taxes, adequate government regulations and spending, healthcare law, and a foreign policy which doesn't make you want to kill yourself. So which part of Obama and Romney will be similar in the next 4 years, apart from sucking up to Israel which every politician does?
Oh, wow. This was great.
A27_StarWolf
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RustyNails
Member
Convince what?
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
What are you blabbering about? You won't find many here who offer blanket support for Democrats but nice job trying to argue as such.
SouthernDragon
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^ Uh, no one here likes Dodd. Hell, most people in here don't like Democrats by and large either, but it's hard to find Republicans to agree with. Note general lamentation that Huntsman was not the candidate. I know I would have preferred that.
I certainly hope PoliGAF isn't that easy to boil down to.
I certainly hope PoliGAF isn't that easy to boil down to.
elrechazado
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One is surrounded by corporate interests and ex hedge fund managers, believes in the worst bush era abuses of executive power with respect to secrecy, indefinite detention, and expanding war and conflict across the globe.
The other is a republican.
A27_StarWolf
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there was a little bit of sarcasm there, but I still think its true. Not all of you of course.
lol...oh god, comedians after comedians today.
ClovingWestbrook
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If its not all of us no need to make such a blanket statement.
RustyNails
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Exactly. End the Iraq War already.
For me it's not so much "rah rah Democrats!" as it is I literally don't understand how someone who isn't an old, bigoted millionaire could rally behind the policies the current Republican party is supporting.
Just some notes about Keystone, since it's all over the newswire up here in Canada:
- Many Canadians don't want Keystone either, as it's seen as shipping refinery jobs to the States. Strangely enough, the US wouldn't gain any jobs from this in the long run, since the US has more than enough capacity to refine bitumen.
- Canada lacks refineries -- many projects were shut down mid-way years ago -- in favor of pipelines. Many Canadians, especially Albertans, were mad at this.
- Many political analysts are trying to frame this in various ways (ie. China, environmentalists, etc), but the feeling on the ground is definitely the refinery issue.
- Many Canadians don't want Keystone either, as it's seen as shipping refinery jobs to the States. Strangely enough, the US wouldn't gain any jobs from this in the long run, since the US has more than enough capacity to refine bitumen.
- Canada lacks refineries -- many projects were shut down mid-way years ago -- in favor of pipelines. Many Canadians, especially Albertans, were mad at this.
- Many political analysts are trying to frame this in various ways (ie. China, environmentalists, etc), but the feeling on the ground is definitely the refinery issue.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Democrats have a shitty record with regards to media censorship, I don't think that's news to anyone.
reggieandTFE
Member
Look at these job #s over the last year from a sampling of midwest states.
I guess that disastrous tax hike enacted by Gov. Quinn in IL really destroyed the state economy. I wonder if little Mitchie is regretting the state funds wasted on his idiotic billboards blanketing I-65 last year up in NW Indiana.
I guess that disastrous tax hike enacted by Gov. Quinn in IL really destroyed the state economy. I wonder if little Mitchie is regretting the state funds wasted on his idiotic billboards blanketing I-65 last year up in NW Indiana.
PhoenixDark
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I think you'll find that most of us have a bit more refined understanding of politics and government than "my team good, your team bad", and as such would not blindly vote for one team or another simply because they are "my team". Most people here in PoliGaf vote for what we believe is best for the welfare of the US, citizens, and humanity as a whole - the fact that they usually are democrats has everything to do with the positions that democrat candidates value and very little to do with the label.
Mortrialus
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Christians+Righting Authoritarianism= Pure fuckness. Seriously, that made my jaw drop.
: /
speculawyer
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Can you comment a bit from a Canadian perspective:
1) Aren't some people gung ho about building a pipeline to the west coast since we all know that a lot of that a lot of that oil would fetch a better price going to China.
2) Is the difficulty of building pipelines across native American lands one of the significant obstacles of ever accomplishing (1) such that a pipeline down to Cushing, OK is more of a "Plan B" that is easier to do?
Such a tease. I thought a candidate might have said that but it was just some southern preacher . . . and they say that stuff all the time.
Ah that bit was so great, I was rolling.
A27_StarWolf said:
/smh
dig that hole StarWolf, just keep digging.
ClovingWestbrook
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Not happening.
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