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AcceptableGhost
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God Hand is amazing, easily in the top 5 of best PS2 games. The rest of that list mostly containing Capcom games as well of course though.
Finally starting to see controversial opinions I agree a lot with, I loved Disgaea, but didn't like anything that came after from Nippon Ichi.
Seraphinianus
Banned
- Bayonetta is a better Devil May Cry game than DMC4.
- I think DmC is still a good idea for the franchise and can turn out to be great entry in the series.
- Games like Gran Turismo, Forza, and other gear-head minded racing games are incredibly boring.
- Final Fantasy XII is the best modern entry in the FF series.
- I think DmC is still a good idea for the franchise and can turn out to be great entry in the series.
- Games like Gran Turismo, Forza, and other gear-head minded racing games are incredibly boring.
- Final Fantasy XII is the best modern entry in the FF series.
Correctomundo
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If you're starting a fetish site, I better get a cut.
Oh yeah, guess I should post one of my own.
KOTOR is boring, everytime I see it on steam sale, I go to play it again, but I hate the combat, it feels slow and boring for what should be a star wars game. After Baldur's Gate 2, DA:O was the only Bioware games I really liked. Mass Effect I like in the same sense as going to see a 'fun' movie, I enjoy it at the time, but find it pretty forgettable.
Metroid Prime games are boring.
The World Ends With You isn't all that.
KOTOR is boring, everytime I see it on steam sale, I go to play it again, but I hate the combat, it feels slow and boring for what should be a star wars game. After Baldur's Gate 2, DA:O was the only Bioware games I really liked. Mass Effect I like in the same sense as going to see a 'fun' movie, I enjoy it at the time, but find it pretty forgettable.
Metroid Prime games are boring.
The World Ends With You isn't all that.
Drinky Crow
Banned
none of the final fantasy games have been particularly great. in fact, even the best ones -- 5 and 8 -- are still mediocre, as rpgs go.
skyward sword is the second worst zelda game.
batman arkham asylum is a better metroid game than all three prime games.
skyward sword is the second worst zelda game.
batman arkham asylum is a better metroid game than all three prime games.
civilstrife
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We agree! Stop that. Get out of my brain.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Metroid Prime sucked.
The cutscenes in The Twin Snakes were great and what Kojima wanted. The changes to the music sucked though.
The cutscenes in The Twin Snakes were great and what Kojima wanted. The changes to the music sucked though.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
PC people really need to understand Halo in proper context. It shouldn't be compared to the best PC FPSes. But to every console FPS that came before it. Halo 2 especially, bringing online play, was a revolution, for consoles. Halo found a lot of solutions for how to do an FPS well on consoles.
In point of fact, I think the best Bungie Halo is the final one, Reach. Reach isn't popular with a lot of Halo fans for the very fact that it changes some stuff up. But it's a good game, and more comparable to good PC first person shooters. Reach is also incredibly configurable out of the box... as multiplayer games, the Halo games are so popular because of the sheer number of ways they can be played, another factor that gets overlooked.
But in absolute terms, the first three Halo games are probably not as refined as the best PC games in a number of ways. One thing Halo does have that most games on any platform lack is AI; Bungie's trademark free roaming AI is really something, that becomes apparent when one replays the games. It's telling that in the 3rd game and in Reach, the campaign has a scoring system and is meant to be played multiple times as a competitive co-op game. There's meat on those bones.
DQ series >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FF Series
Serious Sam 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most modern shooters
Regenerating health in a shooter is one of the biggest cop outs in recent memory
Wind Waker is graphically overrated
The boomerang looked more comfortable than the current PS1/2/3 controller
FIFA 11 is the worst FIFA game since the series incorporated 360 degree ball control
Tekken is terrible
The Kirby games are mediocre at best
Kirby 64 is one of the worst games i've ever had the misfortune of playing
Banjo Tooie >>>>>> Banjo Kazooie
Prototype is trash
Serious Sam 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most modern shooters
Regenerating health in a shooter is one of the biggest cop outs in recent memory
Wind Waker is graphically overrated
The boomerang looked more comfortable than the current PS1/2/3 controller
FIFA 11 is the worst FIFA game since the series incorporated 360 degree ball control
Tekken is terrible
The Kirby games are mediocre at best
Kirby 64 is one of the worst games i've ever had the misfortune of playing
Banjo Tooie >>>>>> Banjo Kazooie
Prototype is trash
Rahxephon91
Banned
Yeah people aren't hyping it because it's a good game. That's impossible.
Posts like these read like a lame attempt to downplay the game by someone who is bitter because they bought into the hype and didn't like it.
"It's not really good, people just like it because it's different "
Lame.
AcceptableGhost
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The Xbox and Xbox 360 single handedly made both PC gaming and console gaming worse at the same time.
I think that Devil May Cry 4 is a better game than Devil May Cry 3. DMC3 is a competent game, for sure, but it has a lot of enemies that are incredibly dull to fight against and the difficulty levels seem lazy. I think that it gets so much praise because it's great for those that care a ton about DMC's combo system, but I don't think that DMC's combo system is something worth caring a ton about. DMC4 recycles environments and boss battles, but I'd rather play that dice game five times than fight through another room full of those lame statues.
DMC1 is the best in the series.
DMC1 is the best in the series.
Darksiders was poor wannabe Zelda game that got most of it's love for it's artwork and "serious" setting. Take the same game, make it more colourful and able to laugh at itself and no one would have paid it much attention at all.
Regenerating Health should only be in "easy" modes.
Regenerating Health should only be in "easy" modes.
FateBreaker
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Why single this game out when even Zelda games have been poor wannabe Zelda games for about a decade?
1. I have never enjoyed a Valve game, or played one to completion
I have tried:
-Half-Life 2 (I've played through the first 2 or 3 hours of this game like 3 times, and have not once had the drive to come back after turning it off)
-Portal 1/2 (this one I blame more on me not being a big fan of puzzle games in general. I did find the games very clever though.)
-TF2
-L4D
and have found every one of them to be boring and visually unappealing.
2. PS3 controller is better than 360 controller (though really, both are fine)
3. Mario and Zelda both have shitty controls that severely diminish my enjoyment of what would otherwise be fantastic games (generally).
I have tried:
-Half-Life 2 (I've played through the first 2 or 3 hours of this game like 3 times, and have not once had the drive to come back after turning it off)
-Portal 1/2 (this one I blame more on me not being a big fan of puzzle games in general. I did find the games very clever though.)
-TF2
-L4D
and have found every one of them to be boring and visually unappealing.
2. PS3 controller is better than 360 controller (though really, both are fine)
3. Mario and Zelda both have shitty controls that severely diminish my enjoyment of what would otherwise be fantastic games (generally).
HamPster PamPster
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Super Crate Box is a bad game and wouldn't have garnered any attention on GAF if Wario wasn't some crazy savant at the game posting crazy scores that got everyone interested. The disc gun can go die in a fire
I bought Tactics Ogre day one and never bothered booting it up after I read you couldn't compare equipment in a shop or menu screen. Screw that, I'm sure its a great game but if in 2011 you can't match features FFT (from the same team no less!) had a decade ago then I won't bother. I played Gods Eater Burst instead and never looked back.
Also, Gods Eater Burst is better then Monster Hunter. Now that Tri G has the same lock on maybe people will recognize it!
I bought Tactics Ogre day one and never bothered booting it up after I read you couldn't compare equipment in a shop or menu screen. Screw that, I'm sure its a great game but if in 2011 you can't match features FFT (from the same team no less!) had a decade ago then I won't bother. I played Gods Eater Burst instead and never looked back.
Also, Gods Eater Burst is better then Monster Hunter. Now that Tri G has the same lock on maybe people will recognize it!
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Some of the responses of this thread stated that this is one of the worst threads in GAF, but others saying that they enjoy it and this thread is great.
...So I am not sure whether I should feel bad or not.
Regardless, lots of interesting opinions here!
...So I am not sure whether I should feel bad or not.
Regardless, lots of interesting opinions here!
That describes most every game talked in the iOS thread though.
blazinglazers
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AcceptableGhost
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Neogaf should just make a full on trolling forum.
I loved it when it was a PC game. I don't like the controls on iOS but my purchase had nothing to do with Wario.
T.M. MacReady
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*high five*
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Well, "trolling" was not my intention at all when making this thread. I just thought it would be interesting, that's all.
I guess I couldn't do anything if you feel that way, though.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
- Mass Effect 2 is my favorite of the series so far.
- Oblivion is my favorite of the TES series and imho, much better than Morrowind (which was still a good game, but man is it ugly and drab!)
- Dante's Inferno was a very enjoyable game, despite it being considered a "rip-off" of God of War. Liked it better than even Bayonetta, which I bought around the same time. Which leads me to....
- Devil May Cry 4 was a fantastic game. Played through and beat it twice on the 360 and PS3. Sure, you had to backtrack through the whole game again. Only complaint was they could have used different bosses for the backtracking not to mention they show up.... again. Still, fantastic game nonetheless!
- Oblivion is my favorite of the TES series and imho, much better than Morrowind (which was still a good game, but man is it ugly and drab!)
- Dante's Inferno was a very enjoyable game, despite it being considered a "rip-off" of God of War. Liked it better than even Bayonetta, which I bought around the same time. Which leads me to....
- Devil May Cry 4 was a fantastic game. Played through and beat it twice on the 360 and PS3. Sure, you had to backtrack through the whole game again. Only complaint was they could have used different bosses for the backtracking not to mention they show up.... again. Still, fantastic game nonetheless!
TheNatural
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Mine?
I dislike first person shooters so much. I've tried to get into them, and I haven't been able to since the N64 era and Goldeneye. Whether it be PC or console, it's not fun to me. The limited point of view and tank controls whether it be dual analog, keyboard and mouse, or whatever - I don't see how people get into it. I hate shit jumping or coming at me as well in it, and feeling helpless when the point of view gets knocked out of whack where you can't see an enemy that should be simple as fuck to attack because its out of your view.
Not only that, but the theme of them are cliched as fuck. Either a recreating of WWII or "Modern Warfare" or dur, aliens. Bravo, very intuitive. They can all fuck off in a fire.
I have similar problems with RPGs as well, but no need to go into that.
I dislike first person shooters so much. I've tried to get into them, and I haven't been able to since the N64 era and Goldeneye. Whether it be PC or console, it's not fun to me. The limited point of view and tank controls whether it be dual analog, keyboard and mouse, or whatever - I don't see how people get into it. I hate shit jumping or coming at me as well in it, and feeling helpless when the point of view gets knocked out of whack where you can't see an enemy that should be simple as fuck to attack because its out of your view.
Not only that, but the theme of them are cliched as fuck. Either a recreating of WWII or "Modern Warfare" or dur, aliens. Bravo, very intuitive. They can all fuck off in a fire.
I have similar problems with RPGs as well, but no need to go into that.
You will love this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbE2SMCK5Q0
EmCeeGramr
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In case that post a while back didn't make it obvious:
Okami has come to hold a massive sacred cow status that even the Zelda series hasn't had in over half a decade. Okami is still a good game! The art style alone makes it worth a shot. But I can't help but think that the novel (and yes, beautiful) art style, combined with the "Zelda competitor" hype at a time when Zelda was starting to experience backlash/fatigue, and Clover's tragic untimely demise (not to mention Okami's disappointing sales), combine to create a reality distortion field where Okami is treated as a masterpiece when it has huge and readily apparent flaws, many of which are the same sorts of flaws that 3D Zelda has, but far worse. When people say that Okami "dethroned" Zelda or is "a better Zelda," it's like an alternate universe where a slightly better Killzone 1 "dethroned" Halo.
Okami has come to hold a massive sacred cow status that even the Zelda series hasn't had in over half a decade. Okami is still a good game! The art style alone makes it worth a shot. But I can't help but think that the novel (and yes, beautiful) art style, combined with the "Zelda competitor" hype at a time when Zelda was starting to experience backlash/fatigue, and Clover's tragic untimely demise (not to mention Okami's disappointing sales), combine to create a reality distortion field where Okami is treated as a masterpiece when it has huge and readily apparent flaws, many of which are the same sorts of flaws that 3D Zelda has, but far worse. When people say that Okami "dethroned" Zelda or is "a better Zelda," it's like an alternate universe where a slightly better Killzone 1 "dethroned" Halo.
TheNatural
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Oh yeah, definitely fuck that noise. Those enemies actually seem to kill too compared to just being annoying. Of the few FPS's I've played since Goldeneye, Perfect Dark had those little alien things on the last level that do that shit. Metroid Prime, not completely a FPS, but it had Metroids attaching to your head. Duke Nukem Forever had plenty of shit like that, but that had it's own problems. Even the little I played of Half-Life had those small little weird fuck aliens.
Fuck it. It's not scary or fun for that shit to happen in a game, it's just annoying.
I don't believe it's been the result either. So far this thread has mostly just been joking, good humour, and some decent little conversations. The quotation marks really help, even if some people miss it.
We don't need a full forum like this, but this thread is good to have around.
PatrickLyons
Member
twitchy RTS games like starcraft aren't actually fun. anything is fun if you play it with your friends. competitive multiplayer is the lie that covers up a truly mediocre genre.
any game that lasts longer than 20 hours was at minimum a total failure by the producers to edit themselves. your story is not that interesting. your gameplay is not that tight. I'm bored and just need closure. the only exception I can see for this are strategy games where the game moves incredibly slowly like the Total War games. The number of games I've beaten in the last 5 years where I actually was upset that it was over is 1: arkham asylum.
Most RPGs could get by with about 1/10th the combat and 1/10th the intra-party banter. In this regard, Shining Force II may have been as good as that genre has ever been. Very very few battles that are all fun and different and drive the plot. On the total opposite end of the spectrum is unplayable garbage like Dragon Quest.
RPG mechanics in games of other genres almost universally make them worse. Either (a) I am going to eventually max out my character anyway so what was the whole point of making me choose the upgrades (arkham asylum, elder scrolls, fable), or (b) they are a content wall that prevents me from playing around with the fullness of the content created in one play-through (the way most games handle character classes). Either way, they should be abolished in favor of a system more like Zelda or Metroid.
edit: Okami was a piece of shit. I played the entire game. The graphics were painful to look at and gave me eye strain. The audio ranks up there with the worst I've ever experienced, in particular the dialogue, to the point where I played half the game muted. The combat was fun but got old quickly. The painting controls were unreliable. The story was probably the one solid redeeming feature of an otherwise painful game, but it was far too drawn out.
any game that lasts longer than 20 hours was at minimum a total failure by the producers to edit themselves. your story is not that interesting. your gameplay is not that tight. I'm bored and just need closure. the only exception I can see for this are strategy games where the game moves incredibly slowly like the Total War games. The number of games I've beaten in the last 5 years where I actually was upset that it was over is 1: arkham asylum.
Most RPGs could get by with about 1/10th the combat and 1/10th the intra-party banter. In this regard, Shining Force II may have been as good as that genre has ever been. Very very few battles that are all fun and different and drive the plot. On the total opposite end of the spectrum is unplayable garbage like Dragon Quest.
RPG mechanics in games of other genres almost universally make them worse. Either (a) I am going to eventually max out my character anyway so what was the whole point of making me choose the upgrades (arkham asylum, elder scrolls, fable), or (b) they are a content wall that prevents me from playing around with the fullness of the content created in one play-through (the way most games handle character classes). Either way, they should be abolished in favor of a system more like Zelda or Metroid.
edit: Okami was a piece of shit. I played the entire game. The graphics were painful to look at and gave me eye strain. The audio ranks up there with the worst I've ever experienced, in particular the dialogue, to the point where I played half the game muted. The combat was fun but got old quickly. The painting controls were unreliable. The story was probably the one solid redeeming feature of an otherwise painful game, but it was far too drawn out.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Here's a good one!
That engines in the coming generation of hardware will be designed from the get-go to perform adequately on a whole range systems. Everything from an iPad to a PS4. That doesn't dictate that the games will always be on everything, but that's up to publishers. Budgets continue to rise and it might be suicide to not support a platform that's a few modifications away from running.
That engines in the coming generation of hardware will be designed from the get-go to perform adequately on a whole range systems. Everything from an iPad to a PS4. That doesn't dictate that the games will always be on everything, but that's up to publishers. Budgets continue to rise and it might be suicide to not support a platform that's a few modifications away from running.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Most RPG mechanics in RPGs try to be too original.
There's a fine line between clever and stupid, Thunder Monkey.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Hm...controversial, controversial. It would probably be that I don't like stories in games, I feel like the lack of believability is astounding, but more astounding is the fact that many people can handle this.
To me, the cutscenes of most AAA games are on par with a daytime soap opera; chicks with big tits, awkward pauses, unintelligible plot lines with obvious "underlying" themes.
There are exceptions of course, but even games with good scripts/acting may fail to engross me because of current graphical limitations alone.
Games that last are games that know how to work within their means, their current limitations. A lot of popular games right now won't have staying power because they don't know how to do that.
To me, the cutscenes of most AAA games are on par with a daytime soap opera; chicks with big tits, awkward pauses, unintelligible plot lines with obvious "underlying" themes.
There are exceptions of course, but even games with good scripts/acting may fail to engross me because of current graphical limitations alone.
Games that last are games that know how to work within their means, their current limitations. A lot of popular games right now won't have staying power because they don't know how to do that.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
And yet here I am straddling like a $2 dolla ho!
I can't quite tell if you are telling me I am wrong, or trying to explain to me why I am correct. While I 'get' the perspective that Halo was something sort of groundbreaking, I don't agree with it, largely all the things it 'achieved' in your opinion had largely been done before. It just got popular. That's it I suppose. Still not a good game. IMO.
Either way I guess it is:
What do I win?
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
This is the thread that saved GAF.™
No, but this has been very revealing and probably the first thread in weeks I've read every post in.
D:
chixdiggit
Member
I really like the Kinect. I even have 930/1000 gamer score on Kinect Adventures. And to make it even more odd, I'm mostly a die hard PC gamer.