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[thekad]

Warren would have a decent shot at getting the nomination if she wanted it. You want a way to excite the base? You pick her.

And PD can continue his Harvard professor shtick.

 

[Byakuya769]

Sorry guys, I won't be old enough by then.

 

[The Librarian]

lets make sure she actually wins her race first

Well yeah. I was factoring that into my post. :lol

 

[SD-Ness]

Warren would have a decent shot at getting the nomination if she wanted it. You want a way to excite the base? You pick her.

She's too liberal to win the nomination.

 

[Byakuya769]

I don't think Warren could win a general Presidential election given her experience. And she's 62 now, herself.

Hmm. She was a Republican prior to 1995???

 

[gcubed]

Well yeah. I was factoring that into my post. :lol

you have two democrats vying for that seat. She is a bit more liberal/populist, but Scott Brown has convinced me that he's not a republican

 

[YoungHav]

LOL @ people still delusional on whether or not Newt Gingrich is racist or not. This stupid racist dogwhistling has been going on since 2007 or so. Fuck Sarah Palin too.

Is that real or photoshop.?

I just read this post. Sorry, but thats bullshit. If you're OFTEN accused of being racist, it's not just because you're conservative. Seeing as you bring up the 'only racism if you're white' remark, it tells me the following:

1) You don't have a good understanding of tact when it comes to race relations.
2) It wouldn't surprise me if you don't have a lot of black friends/associates.
3) You're young (we already know that).

Now, I'm not saying you're racist because I don't think you are, at least from reading your comments here. What I do believe is like many others, you don't know that what you say can be construed as having racist undertones. Let me give you an example:

A co-worker of mine who I don't believe is racist brought up 'kinky hair' when talking about black people. Now, being married to a black woman for the last 7 years, my ears are a little more sensitive to certain key words and phrases than someone who isn't around black people that much. I consider them said in ignorance and yet nevertheless, somewhat disrespectful. But living in Spokane, WA which is overwhelmingly white, it's not surprising that people aren't aware of how such terms can be taken as offensive.

Having a daughter who is half black, half white, it concerns me that people such as yourself don't understand how their verbiage can be taken as offensive. That just because blacks don't have to worry about hoses and dogs on their asses that the country has overcome its racist past of injustice and two class system. As often as you like to mention that a black person was accepted into a University or received a job because of their color of their skin, it's much more common for them to be turned down from a position due to their skin color.

My advice to you is to educate yourself. Study up on the history of minorities in this country because if you do, you will realize that while this country has made great strides, there is still much left to be done.

Thank you Michael, Thank you Michael, Thank you Michael!

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

How exactly do you know this? You don't think that stereotype existed in the 40's and 50's?

Read Why American's Hate Welfare by Martin Gilens. It goes into detail showing the progression in the media and by politicians of labeling black people as lazy welfare recipients.

Pre Civil Rights Act, poverty in America was depicted as poor whites

After the Civil Rights Act, poverty was depicted as poor blacks.

 

[The Librarian]

She's too liberal to win the nomination.

Not necessarily. It's not like the Republicans will be able to attack her for being a "left-wing extremist" any more than they will any other candidate. What's the one thing you know about her? She likes to take it to the banks, and Wall Street isn't popular at all.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

Cuomo 2016

Meh. He's done a pretty decent job as governor so far, but the way he talks about some things reminds me of Obama crowing about "the biggest cuts in history." Republicans are winning the war on language. I think Warren could do well as a national candidate, but even if she lost she'd do a much better job of pushing back against conservative cultural hegemony.

 

[Sirpopopop]

Rusty Nails vs. Empty Vessel 2016.

Empty will be running on the Republican platform of course. Rand Paul will be his VP.

 

[YoungHav]

I can't believe Gingrich gets a positive bump out of doubling down on his passive aggressive racism.

This country's immaturity continues to amaze me. Are you a racist homophobe? Then you have a great political career ahead of you! Stick your dick in another woman and you're done!

 

[Door2Dawn]

She's too liberal to win the nomination.

Bullshit.

Messaging is everything.

 

[SD-Ness]

Not necessarily. It's not like the Republicans will be able to attack her for being a "left-wing extremist" any more than they will any other candidate. What's the one thing you know about her? She likes to take it to the banks, and Wall Street isn't popular at all.

Even though WS is not popular at the moment, I can't see a candidate like Warren succeeding. Her position with the banks will alienate her, not with voters, but with fundraising. Politicking with WS is essential for a successful presidency for both parties. Just because "the people" don't like WS doesn't mean the successful candidate isn't getting donations from wealthy WS employees.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Jimmy Carter 2016.......if he makes it to 2016.

 

[gcubed]

Meh. He's done a pretty decent job as governor so far, but the way he talks about some things reminds me of Obama crowing about "the biggest cuts in history." Republicans are winning the war on language. I think Warren could do well as a national candidate, but even if she lost she'd do a much better job of pushing back against conservative cultural hegemony.

i'm not fully against conservative cultural hegemony

 

[I H8 Memes]

Newt Gingrich has always reminded me of John Wayne Gacy.

 

[SD-Ness]

Jerry Brown 2016

 

[Invisible_Insane]

i'm not fully against conservative cultural hegemony

An obsession with deficit reduction at 8.5% unemployment suggests you should be. We ignore some of the best possible solutions to national problems (UHC, etc) because conservative solutions are largely the only ones that get discussion.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Warren would have a decent shot at getting the nomination if she wanted it. You want a way to excite the base? You pick her.

A liberal professor from Harvard AND Massachusetts? Who scares the shit out of Wall Street? Give me a break.

Mark Warner or Brian Schweitzer

 

[ToxicAdam]

I could feasibly see a person like Warren winning the nomination, but she would get creamed in the GE. A northeastern liberal is insta-death on the national stage.

That's why Sherrod Brown is the best candidate the Dems have right now. Midwestern, working class guy that has cache with the establishment left.

 

[Mortrialus]

Considering some of the stuff Obama has done throughout his first term, he'll probably replace Joe Biden with John Boehner.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Obama's going to use the WH time machine and go get 1994 Mitt Romney and bring him into the future and make him his running mate.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

I could feasibly see a person like Warren winning the nomination, but she would get creamed in the GE. A northeastern liberal is insta-death on the national stage.

That's why Sherrod Brown is the best candidate the Dems have right now. Midwestern, working class guy that has cache with the establishment left.

I'm not trying to say it was the most competitive election of all time or anything, but I'd hardly call that insta-death. (Kerry was -3 million in the popular vote.)

 

[YoungHav]

Obama's going to use the WH time machine and go get 1994 Mitt Romney and bring him into the future and make him his running mate.

lmao I wish this were possible.

 

[ToxicAdam]

I know Bush wasn't at the depths of his unpopularity in 04, but it was one of the easiest incumbents to run against and Kerry failed.

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

Question: Is the "Why should I be penalized for being rich" complaint just as valid as a "why should I be penalized for not having kids" complaint? Fundamentally? Why should people with no dependents be forced to give more of their income to the government simply because they don't have children?

 

[ToxicAdam]

Question: Is the "Why should I be penalized for being rich" complaint just as valid as a "why should I be penalized for not having kids" complaint? Fundamentally? Why should people with no dependents be forced to give more of their income to the government simply because they don't have children?

Because the government prefers families and population growth?

 

[Oblivion]

Man, this is some great news to wake up to (yes, I sleep very late, fuck off). The return of Newtmentum brings a smile to my face.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

I know Bush wasn't at the depths of his unpopularity in 04, but it was one of the easiest incumbents to run against and Kerry failed.

An incumbent during wartime is automatic.

 

[adamsappel]

Is that real or photoshop.?

Please. There's a lot of things even Republicans can get away with, but being in photos wearing Nazi swastikas on your shirt collar isn't one of them. What's the other button say? Something, and Catholic?

 

[RustyNails]

I know Bush wasn't at the depths of his unpopularity in 04, but it was one of the easiest incumbents to run against and Kerry failed.

Swift Boat veterans for Truth, courtesy of Karl Rove.

 

[Mr. B Natural]

I know Bush wasn't at the depths of his unpopularity in 04, but it was one of the easiest incumbents to run against and Kerry failed.

It wasn't Bush that beat Kerry, it was the well tuned machine behind him.
That machine doesn't appear to be operating at its previous capacity anymore.

 

[Mike M]

Romney has part of his money in the Cayman Islands

 

[Meadows]

Please let Newt get the nomination!

The lulz would be awesome.

Paul would be interesting but threatening, Romney would be boring, Santorum/Gingrich would be fucking hilarious.

 

[Plinko]

I wonder how this talk of open marriages will impact SC. Today should have been a semi-victory lap for Newt, instead people are talking about his personal life again.

Can't wait for tonight's debate

Romney REALLY needs to go after Gingrich hard tonight. Last debate could have single-handedly lost him the SC primary, even though some on GAF deny it. He's down in the polls already.

The "open marriage" think is NOT going to go over well with the American public. If he somehow miraculously got through to face Obama he'd have no shot.

 

[Plinko]

SC "yawning" at Gingrich's past problems.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...rs-dull-the-sting-of-newts-past.php?ref=fpblg

I have no doubt it won't affect him at all in SC.

As for Florida (and other places), I think that will be a different story. The GOP is absolutely insane if they push this guy to the forefront now.

 

[DasRaven]

Cain officially endorses... "The People" then goes right back to hocking his website.
This is almost as bad as those Time magazine covers.

 

[Evlar]

Oh man. I just can't wait to hear the family values conservatives I know try to push Newt Gingrich.

 

[reggieandTFE]

I could feasibly see a person like Warren winning the nomination, but she would get creamed in the GE. A northeastern liberal is insta-death on the national stage.

That's why Sherrod Brown is the best candidate the Dems have right now. Midwestern, working class guy that has cache with the establishment left.

What's the sense in OH? Is Brown going to win? Strickland would have coasted if he ran for re-election this year.

 

[ToxicAdam]

What's the sense in OH? Is Brown going to win? Strickland would have coasted if he ran for re-election this year.

Yes, Brown is going to win. Republicans are going to throw a lot of money at the election, but their candidate is awfully green.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Romney REALLY needs to go after Gingrich hard tonight. Last debate could have single-handedly lost him the SC primary, even though some on GAF deny it. He's down in the polls already.

The "open marriage" think is NOT going to go over well with the American public. If he somehow miraculously got through to face Obama he'd have no shot.

Republicans seem to have little problems with unfaithfulness (when the accused is republican) especially when the ex can be smeared effectively; as others pointed out, Cain only lost support after multiple women appeared. They're far more interested in someone who can "bully" Obama in a debate/campaign, and Gingrich is the best option.

Of course Gingrich would be destroyed in a general election, especially amongst women.

 

[Wray]

I could feasibly see a person like Warren winning the nomination, but she would get creamed in the GE. A northeastern liberal is insta-death on the national stage.

Warren would easily win the GE in 2016 if she was the nominee. Especially with 2016 demographics. But a woman liberal candidate with those demographics? That'd be an easy lock, especially with a base that would be excited with a far left candidate.

She would have a much harder time getting out of the primary's than she would have beating a republican in a GE.

Cuomo 2016

Cuomo would be 2016 Democratic version of Romney. DO NOT WANT.

 

[KingK]

Warren would easily win the GE in 2016 if she was the nominee. Especially with 2016 demographics. But a woman liberal candidate with those demographics? That'd be an easy lock, especially with a base that would be excited with a far left candidate.

She would have a much harder time getting out of the primary's than she would have beating a republican in a GE.

I don't see how Warren could possibly win the GE in 2016 if the Republicans run someone like Christie, Daniels, or Huntsman. She would get destroyed by any somewhat moderate Republican. As much as I would love Warren to win presidency, America is just too far right for that to happen.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Republicans seem to have little problems with unfaithfulness (when the accused is republican) especially when the ex can be smeared effectively; as others pointed out, Cain only lost support after multiple women appeared. They're far more interested in someone who can "bully" Obama in a debate/campaign, and Gingrich is the best option.

Of course Gingrich would be destroyed in a general election, especially amongst women.

Also, Cain's women problems was new news. Gingrich's shittiness is already baked in.

 

[Wray]

I don't see how Warren could possibly win the GE in 2016 if the Republicans run someone like Christie, Daniels, or Huntsman. She would get destroyed by any somewhat moderate Republican. As much as I would love Warren to win presidency, America is just too far right for that to happen.

Because moderates are irrelevant in GE's. Especially in 2016 when Democrats are going to have an absolutely huge demographic advantage. And if you think that Christie, Daniels, or Huntsman would carry the Latino vote, you're in for a rude awakening. No candidate will win a GE without carrying the Latino vote for a long long time.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I don't see how Warren could possibly win the GE in 2016 if the Republicans run someone like Christie, Daniels, or Huntsman. She would get destroyed by any somewhat moderate Republican. As much as I would love Warren to win presidency, America is just too far right for that to happen.

This. I think people grossly misinterpret the politics of this country, perhaps because the current republican party is so extremist. Warren would have no shot

Christie has to be the front runner. Assuming the economy gets better NJ will too, and he'll take credit for it. Plus it's four more years to lose some weight.

There will be a leadership hole for democrats in 2016, assuming Obama wins. His VP most likely won't run due to age, Hillary is gone, and I don't see many up and comers on the horizon.

Hence me believing we'll see a return to moderate democrats, ie Mark Warner

 

[Invisible_Insane]

Also, Cain's women problems was new news. Gingrich's shittiness is already baked in.

Not sure I buy the Efficient Gingrich Market Hypothesis. It works against him with new voters, reinforces negatives with values voters, and even trivially new information is likely to be further damaging.

 

[adamsappel]

“I hope so and I believe so in the state of South Carolina because you have a mass of Christian people here,” Everly said. “And I believe if you truly look at your own self, if you — whoever has no sin, throw the first stone at him.”

I thought they loved this book. I can quote Catcher in the Rye better than this, and I haven't read it in almost 30 years.

 

[KingK]

Because moderates are irrelevant in GE's. Especially in 2016 when Democrats are going to have an absolutely huge demographic advantage. And if you think that Christie, Daniels, or Huntsman would carry the Latino vote, you're in for a rude awakening. No candidate will win a GE without carrying the Latino vote for a long long time.

I think you're really over-stating the effect of the demographic changes for 2016. I just can't see a liberal candidate like Warren getting enough Latino votes to counter balance her massive loss in moderates to someone like Christie if he is the Republican. As of right now, as far as I can tell, Christie is by far the most likely front-runner for 2016.

I hope that I'm wrong and you're right, but I just don't see it.