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US PoliGAF 2012 | The Romney VeepStakes: Waiting for Chris Christie to Sing
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Some mormons (the crazy/apocalypse-lusting ones) are claiming that Mitt Romney is fulfilling a prophecy that Joseph Smith made about the "Constitution hanging by a thread" (Glen Beck uses this wording all the time) and that a "white horse" would raise up and save the constitution.
It's known as the "White horse" prophecy though there was a "red horse" in it too. But most don't remember the red horse.
It's not official doctrine. Some interpret it to go on to talk about the US becoming a theocracy. Others interpret it as a sign of the times. Others just dismiss it (I think Romney did this), and others point out that shortly after making this prophecy Joseph Smith ran for president and was probably talking about himself.
speculawyer
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Would that be Scott Walker or Rick Scott? Never mind . . . who cares about either?
The Chosen One
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The difference between Obama's birth certificate and Romney's tax return:
Obams - Was being asked to provide proof of citizenship in a way few (if any) other presidential candidates were asked.
Mittens - Is being asked to provide financial documentation which every single presidential candidate has done in the modern era.
Obams - Largely ignored the calls for his birth certificate and when asked directly he handled it in a calm stern fashion.
Mittens - Became a complete stammering mess on multiple occasions when asked about the release of his tax returns even though a blind man could see the questions coming a mile away.
Obams - Outside of wild conspiracies from the fringes, there was never any questionable details uncovered. No embarrassing info. Nothing to make you say, "Ah, that's why he didn't want to release it right away".
Mittens - We're already finding out that he's paid a very low income tax rate and that he has funds in the Cayman Islands. Meaning, there's already evidence why he wants to keep this stuff under wraps.
That said, I agree liberals need to be careful not to get conspiratorial on what's in Romney's tax returns. It's not that he did anything illegal. It's just his tax returns (especially if it goes back several years) will show how rich guys game the system. That in itself is pretty damning when the mood of the country has shifted to questioning economic inequality.
Obams - Was being asked to provide proof of citizenship in a way few (if any) other presidential candidates were asked.
Mittens - Is being asked to provide financial documentation which every single presidential candidate has done in the modern era.
Obams - Largely ignored the calls for his birth certificate and when asked directly he handled it in a calm stern fashion.
Mittens - Became a complete stammering mess on multiple occasions when asked about the release of his tax returns even though a blind man could see the questions coming a mile away.
Obams - Outside of wild conspiracies from the fringes, there was never any questionable details uncovered. No embarrassing info. Nothing to make you say, "Ah, that's why he didn't want to release it right away".
Mittens - We're already finding out that he's paid a very low income tax rate and that he has funds in the Cayman Islands. Meaning, there's already evidence why he wants to keep this stuff under wraps.
That said, I agree liberals need to be careful not to get conspiratorial on what's in Romney's tax returns. It's not that he did anything illegal. It's just his tax returns (especially if it goes back several years) will show how rich guys game the system. That in itself is pretty damning when the mood of the country has shifted to questioning economic inequality.
speculawyer
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But don't you see? Newt asked for forgiveness from the right god. It is not like they would be loving Newt if he asked for forgiveness from Allah.
The Chosen One
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I should add that Romney's image is slowly changing from a Job Creator to a Corporate Raider.
This is very similar to how the Bush campaign gradually morphed John Kerry into an rich out of touch north easterner flip-flopper during the mid/late stages of the Democratic primary in '04.
Romney has to be really careful right now that the Gordon Gekko image doesn't take a permanent hold in the voter's psyche.
This is very similar to how the Bush campaign gradually morphed John Kerry into an rich out of touch north easterner flip-flopper during the mid/late stages of the Democratic primary in '04.
Romney has to be really careful right now that the Gordon Gekko image doesn't take a permanent hold in the voter's psyche.
That was my favorite part of the response. Because he was framing it in a way that made him sound sympathetic, when he was the one causing the pain by having an affair. And he got an applause line out of it. Masterful.
Romney's rapidly growing image as a corporate raider is one he should be increasingly worried about.
Someone might need to double check this one, but I'm pretty sure South Carolina has a 100% record at picking the GOP presidential candidate, and it sure looks like Newt will pull it off. And it will come after Santorum won Iowa and Romney won New Hampshire. Why, it might make this primary quite entertaining after all.
jamesinclair
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So the Obama police state shut down meaupload?
That guy is doing everything he can to lose the youth vote. Everything. Hes leaving no stone unturned.
Look, if megavideo was actually a problem, the private market would use the invisible hand to correct the problem. Why do we need big government to come in and regulate, killing jobs?
That guy is doing everything he can to lose the youth vote. Everything. Hes leaving no stone unturned.
Look, if megavideo was actually a problem, the private market would use the invisible hand to correct the problem. Why do we need big government to come in and regulate, killing jobs?
To get off the subjects of the race real quick, here's an interesting philosophical point I've been thinking about recently. I was reading this article that details the story of an idiot right winger's idiot brother who tried to start a business but was stifled thanks to Obama's job killing regulations and such. The whole article is amusing, but what was noteworthy was the author's thesis:
It's funny, isn't it? If a poor person fails to become rich, it's entirely his fault, and no one should ever help these people out. But if one of the beloved "job creators" can't get richer, it's everyone else's fault, and we all have to accomodate to help these people out as much as possible.
It's funny, isn't it? If a poor person fails to become rich, it's entirely his fault, and no one should ever help these people out. But if one of the beloved "job creators" can't get richer, it's everyone else's fault, and we all have to accomodate to help these people out as much as possible.
They are! The invisible hand has seen it fit to pay for shills in the government to create regulation to cripple the Internet and further restrict US citizen rights.
mckmas8808
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But you forget to add that if you became rich by working hard, then the government didn't play any part in that. The successful person did it completely by themselves, until the business fails and then yes government is to blame again.
Dude, don't come in with that "police state" thing I mean just look at what justice Obama dealt to those in charge of the financial crisis.....oh wait...
perfectchaos007
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Would be nice if Gingrich could win SC. That would mean a different candidate has won each of the 3 primaries/caucus'. Can't call Romney an inevitable with those results
Byakuya769
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jamesinclair
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Youre right, corporate private security state.
I expect Blackwater to be conducting TSA style scans at local mall by 2014.
Thats what Im hoping for too.
The Buddy can win Florida, and Ron Paul is huge in nevada right?
perfectchaos007
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Big Libertarian base, but also a big mormon community in Nevada due to its proximity to Utah. Romney is still favored in Nevada at this point but I can't imagine Paul finishing worse than 2nd there
marathonfool
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How do you guys even stomach a Republican debate? Especially with this candidate field.
I'd like to invite all of my fellow PoliGaffers to #ga. We often discuss politics and similar topics in there. Connect your IRC client to irc.wiicafe.com or irc.browsingtheinternet.com (wiicafe seems to be more reliable, for me at least). If you need help, PM me.
Then, join #ga. Rule #1 (think Fight Club, but not) has been abolished; the floodgates have been opened!
Looking forward to seeing you there.
Then, join #ga. Rule #1 (think Fight Club, but not) has been abolished; the floodgates have been opened!
Looking forward to seeing you there.
Drinking games. And I'm being completely serious.
I'm usually idling in there, but it would make a great debate watching venue!
Let PoliGAF hold you tight, live and in primetime.
jamesinclair
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Wow, and look at what pops up on my news feed an hour later....
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/nyc-police-developing-electronic-frisking-device-171749275.html
It is not 'immoral' to follow the rules. Mitt is doing nothing different than what all of us do and try to use every tax break they can to pay as little as possible. It's his huge pile of money that gives him more leverage than the average joe.
Salvor.Hardin
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Just watched last night's debate. It's interesting to see how Romney is a fantastic speaker right up until someone challenges him. And then he falters, stumbles, mumbles, meanders and gets an odd flush of passive-aggressive-aggressive against his opponent which is a complete u-turn from his otherwise cool and calm package.
Some might say that his past successes and positions meant that he was never abruptly challenged on personal issues so he doesn't know how to handle the stress. But that's odd because he's been in politics for a decent amount of time now and should have shed that easy-to-fluster mind set. Personally, I think he just doesn't understand why everyone gives him as hard of a time as he's having winning that nomination, and he knows it has much to do with him Mormonism. Jon Stewart is so right, Mitt Romney is the purest form of the Republican dream, such that it's nothing short of baffling for gopers to demure the sight of its crystal creation.
Which makes me wonder, is Mitt Romney the Republican Frankenstein Monster, a creation distilled with the perfect visual and verbal cues of its creator, that its result is so ghastly that it must be cast aside. Will the Republicans finally begin to question the validity of their economic prowess? Or is it simply that Mitt's religion is too acidic for the party?
Some might say that his past successes and positions meant that he was never abruptly challenged on personal issues so he doesn't know how to handle the stress. But that's odd because he's been in politics for a decent amount of time now and should have shed that easy-to-fluster mind set. Personally, I think he just doesn't understand why everyone gives him as hard of a time as he's having winning that nomination, and he knows it has much to do with him Mormonism. Jon Stewart is so right, Mitt Romney is the purest form of the Republican dream, such that it's nothing short of baffling for gopers to demure the sight of its crystal creation.
Which makes me wonder, is Mitt Romney the Republican Frankenstein Monster, a creation distilled with the perfect visual and verbal cues of its creator, that its result is so ghastly that it must be cast aside. Will the Republicans finally begin to question the validity of their economic prowess? Or is it simply that Mitt's religion is too acidic for the party?
Phoenician_Viking
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I think that the Republicans are being really strategically stupid on the long run (15-20 years) in talking bad about illegal immigration. The Hispanic population is growing rapidly, and stats like Florida, Texas do have significant Latino population which could tip these stats to the democrats in a presidential elections in the future.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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This will have no affect on your life whatsoever. Don't be so paranoid.
Synth_floyd
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Anyone else think the audiences of these debates have jumped the shark? It's annoying to hear them cheer and boo the dumbest things.
Refrigerator
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I wonder if this has any to do with Romney's wealth and privileged upbringing. It does not seem as if he was raised in an environment where his beliefs or worldview were either questioned or threatened. His was and is a life of extreme wealth and excess, and except for minor bumps (like his 1994 lost to Kennedy) he has the air of a man who is used to getting his way. He seems incapable of trench battles, looks uncomfortable issuing face-to-face criticisms in debates and appears to lose his composure easily.
In some respects he reminds me of Gingrich, but without the intellectual snarl or outright sleaze. Neither seem to have a core political identity, instead choosing to support or criticize whatever policies best serve to further their careers.
You missed one:
Being a natural born citizen is a requirement to be President so asking for a birth certificate is looking for proof of that requirement. Revealing your taxes is not and really just serves for political fodder.
And since John King pressed the issue, saying that it is "tradition" and Romney's father released 12 years of tax returns, I look forward to him asking the same thing of Obama about his academic records, which is also pretty much tradition.
Wow, that reminds me of the 3-pointer he sunk at the military base, or when he stopped that baby from crying.
Dude is just a charming mofo. Probably why the majority of the country still likes him.
maximum360
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LOL.
Colbert on Morning Joe. He comes in and is immediately greeted by a supporter with a "Colbert" sign who says she will be voting for Herman Cain. Mission accomplished!
Colbert on Morning Joe. He comes in and is immediately greeted by a supporter with a "Colbert" sign who says she will be voting for Herman Cain. Mission accomplished!
The fact Obama's mother was an American citizen is all the proof that should have been needed, or are we questioning his parentage now?
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Is there a Conservative in this thread that can contribute without making my skin crawl?
RoninChaos
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I saw part of the debate and I'm curious; what's this elite media that's protecting Obama? Where is this "liberal" media I keep hearing about? It seems to me that talk radio is dominated by right wing radio. You have fox news, who is watched by a lot more people than CNN or MSNBC. ABC, CBS, and NBC don't really have very strong news shows.
Is it just that some of the facts being brought up are things the candidates don't want to talk about, or do facts have a left leaning slant?
Is it just that some of the facts being brought up are things the candidates don't want to talk about, or do facts have a left leaning slant?
RoninChaos
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Obama, or any other representatives' GPA doesn't really seem as relevant as a person in power, who has the ability to make economic policy that is DRASTICALLY slanted in their favor. There's nothing wrong with wanting to see where someone stands with their financials when they're in the position to create lasting monetary policy, and the can help control the economic trajectory of this nation and the hundreds of millions of people in it.
So, yeah, academic records and financial records aren't even remotely close to the same thing. In other words, shut the fuck up, Kosmo.
I think ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. do get more viewers than cable networks (by virtue of not needing to pay for cable to watch them), so there's that. But you're right, the 'liberal media' is just a conservative meme that's been used to maximum effectiveness to discredit any station that doesn't tow the conservative line. The problem is the other cable networks themselves have fallen victim to it and have now hitched their wagon to some silly notion of 'neutrality' in an effort to shed the liberal media label. CNN is probably the worst in this respect.
As Colbert would say, reality has a well-known liberal bias.
Pai Pai Master
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I understand why he's hesitant to release the tax documents, but why exactly is his tax rate so low? I don't even know what these guys do for a living to be making so much money.
The Librarian
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It's just the victimhood a large part of the Republican party likes to play. It's brilliant, actually. In Newt's case especially. Think about it. If he got the crowed and the Republican base all riled up about how the "liberal media" is trying to tear him and the majority of Republicans down, how do you think the base will react if the media tries to bring up Newt's ex-wife?
RoninChaos
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EXACTLY. In a political climate where there is real outrage at income inequality, this is a HUGE deal. So of course he doesn't want to release his tax return. He'll get fleeced. All that bullshit where he was like "I know what it's like to struggle, and what it's like to worry you're going to get fired" goes right out the window when people see, on paper, in plain english, how much money he has.
People pushing for tax cuts for the wealthy when a large chunk of the wealthy already pay less than the average American is a big fucking deal. Then, you have the perceived presidential front runner for the GOP saying "Hey, I want to eliminate capital gains taxes, because it will help middle america!". We all know that won't help middle america or anyone who doesn't have investments. It would help the rich, who are already paying less in taxes as a percentage than the average American.
What's worse is that a guy like Romney would stand to gain TREMENDOUSLY from capital gains going away. THAT is why this guy's financials are important. If Romney wins the White House, he is in prime position to enact fiscal policy that would beneft him tremendously while harming our country's financial structure, and harming the average american by reducing government services etc. Idiots like Kosmo and the like demanding academic records are either stupid, or blatantly dishonest if they don't understand why this is an issue and why Romney is trying to dodge it.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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We all know the motivation behind the request for Obama's academic records.
The Librarian
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Warren's campaign rakes in a million in 24 hours. 
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4367
And that's just running for a senate seat in MA.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4367
And that's just running for a senate seat in MA.
Byakuya769
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Yep. Ignore stellar performance while at Harvard Law School, and focus on underwhelming undergraduate grades to bitch about affirmative action.
Refrigerator
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It seems that Presidents of recent vintage have released their academic records, though. That's not to defend the dog-whistling that's involved in this case, but there is precedent in that.
maximum360
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Campaign Obama >>>>>>> the current steaming pile of republican nominees.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-hDt2E8MoE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-hDt2E8MoE
Supreme Court rules Congress can re-copyright public domain works
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ress-can-re-copyright-public-domain-works.ars
Not really sure how I feel about this...
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ress-can-re-copyright-public-domain-works.ars
Not really sure how I feel about this...
acheron_xl
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I'm really surprised Alito is opposed to it.
Refrigerator
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Considering conservative outrage at the Supreme Court referencing instances of international law in their judgements, I'm a bit surprised by how that vote ended up.
To whom exactly would they be restoring the copyright to?
acheron_xl
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Do they ever lose?
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