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[Oblivion]

Holy shit, just saw Chichikov's position, and he's ALMOST as left wing as Obama. :O

 

[A27_StarWolf]

Yeah, these kinds of tests are only accurate to the first approximation; they're never as granular as I'd prefer. In my experience Political Compass is better than most. It's well established which way most of NeoGAF leans, and the results validate that. While you may be more centered than it displays, it placed you about where you'd expect to be relative to the rest of us, given your declared ideological viewpoint.

I'm sorry but even as a New Media Designer, I think a lot of Abstract art inst art Xp

Soooo... what can we start talking about now?

 

[teh_pwn]

Center/leftist libertarian.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I'm sorry but even as a New Media Designer, I think a lot of Abstract art inst art Xp

Soooo... what can we start talking about now?

You'd mentioned you liked Newts ideas on the economy. Any particulars? And independent of that, what kind of ideas are you looking for from the candidates to create jobs?

I'm not trying to grill you, just trying to break out of the broad strokes and into policy.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

You'd mentioned you liked Newts ideas on the economy. Any particulars? And independent of that, what kind of ideas are you looking for from the candidates to create jobs?

I'm not trying to grill you, just trying to break out of the broad strokes and into policy.

Can we stop pretending this is a useful concept?

Also I really, really, really, really hate the word "jobs."

Really.

 

[Snake]

Relatively accurate.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Can we stop pretending this is a useful concept?

Also I really, really, really, really hate the word "jobs."

Really.

What concept? We have an unemployment crisis in this country.

 

[Tim-E]

You'd mentioned you liked Newts ideas on the economy. Any particulars? And independent of that, what kind of ideas are you looking for from the candidates to create jobs?

I'm not trying to grill you, just trying to break out of the broad strokes and into policy.

I think being grilled is a good way to get one to think a bit more about their beliefs in order to strengthen them or to think about other ways of thinking. As long as you don't get flustered, thoughtful discussion is always a good thing.

 

[Cyan]

Because he said he doesn't need to do any reading.

Heh, oh right.

I think being grilled is a good way to get one to think a bit more about their beliefs in order to strengthen them or to think about other ways of thinking. As long as you don't get flustered, thoughtful discussion is always a good thing.

Thoughtful discussion maybe, but being grilled is a good way to cement beliefs in your brain for no good reason.

 

[SolKane]

Can we stop pretending this is a useful concept?

Also I really, really, really, really hate the word "jobs."

Really.

"Job creator" is without a doubt the stupidest political neologism in this cycle.

 

[Tim-E]

Heh, oh right.



Thoughtful discussion maybe, but being grilled is a good way to cement beliefs in your brain for no good reason.

True. "Grilled" may not be the word I was looking for, but you get my point.

 

[GhaleonEB]

PPP just tweeted this:

Newt posted his best numbers of our 3 day field period tonight​

IIRC they had him up six in their last poll. Romney must be flipping out at this point.

 

[Officerrob]

Hmmm, in the same area as Gadhi and Nelson Mandela. Not too shabby

 

[KingK]

PPP just tweeted this:

Newt posted his best numbers of our 3 day field period tonight​

IIRC they had him up six in their last poll. Romney must be flipping out at this point.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in Romney's HQ right now.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

What concept? We have an unemployment crisis in this country.

You don't have to tell me; I'm job-hunting (and not by choice). It's more of a language complaint--it seems like we're focused on employment to the exclusion of the broader problems that are depressing it. I also think it's nearly impossible to have an intellectually honest conversation about "creating jobs." It's not something it makes sense to take credit for.

 

[jamesinclair]

PPP just tweeted this:

Newt posted his best numbers of our 3 day field period tonight​

IIRC they had him up six in their last poll. Romney must be flipping out at this point.

How many votes are going for Cain? is Cain eating into Romneys numbers!?!?

 

[The Librarian]

I've left the Cain Train and I've boarded the Newt Toot.

 

[GhaleonEB]

How many votes are going for Cain? is Cain eating into Romneys numbers!?!?

Hah. I wanna know how Colbert is doing.

The final poll was just posted:

Newt Gingrich heads into South Carolina election day as the clear front runner in the state: he's now polling at 37% to 28% for Mitt Romney, 16% for Rick Santorum, and 14% for Ron Paul.​

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/01/newt-expands-south-carolina-lead.html

Closing caveat:

Usually when we poll in the closing days before an election and find someone ahead by 9 points we'll say with a pretty high degree of confidence that person's going to win. I'm not comfortable saying that about South Carolina. A primary election with a lot of new news in the closing days for voters to absorb is fertile ground for a final result that's at odd with the polls. Mark Blumenthal's piece today for Huffington Post about 'expecting the unexpected' tomorrow is well worth a read. Gingrich will probably win tomorrow- but there's a higher than normal chance for a surprise given everything that's gone down in the last 48 hours.​

Still, tomorrow might go down as the most entertaining day in the cycle so far for me.

 

[ezekial45]

I'm watching Bill Maher right now, and Buddy Roemer is one of the guests. I didn't he was in the running for the GOP nom as well (sorta). He's a pretty intelligent guy and also very honest. I'm surprised he didn't catch on.

 

[Brinbe]

Late, but

Pretty similar to others on here.

And holy shit @ that bounce by Newt. And this Newtmentum may well continue with two more debates next week.

 

[Cyan]

He's a pretty intelligent guy and also very honest.

I think I see the problem.

 

[Suikoguy]

I have to admit, I did not expect to see Mittens collapse like this.

Spoiler

I know it's not over yet, but still...

Also interesting, guess who won in the last primary in SC? McCain

 

[ezekial45]

If Colbert's stunt really did put a dent in SC's polls, then I can't wait to hear the candidates talk about it.

 

[KingK]

I'm watching Bill Maher right now, and Buddy Roemer is one of the guests. I didn't he was in the running for the GOP nom as well (sorta). He's a pretty intelligent guy and also very honest. I'm surprised he didn't catch on.

His biggest issue he's running on is campaign finance reform and getting money out of politics. It's not hard to realize why he hasn't advanced at all (as unfortunate as it is). I really would have liked to see him get into some of the debates and at least get to make a splash and spread his message, similar to Paul.

 

[jamesinclair]

I'm watching Bill Maher right now, and Buddy Roemer is one of the guests. I didn't he was in the running for the GOP nom as well (sorta). He's a pretty intelligent guy and also very honest. I'm surprised he didn't catch on.

Unlike the other candidates, hes not a billionaire, so he missed the first GOP criteria.


I need Romney to lose. We all know a romney win means the lol-train is over.

Santorum can hang on for a couple of more (southern) races before dropping out and endorsing the newt.

Also, longer primary = more debates = more ron paul

 

[ezekial45]

I think I see the problem.

lol

good point.

 

[speculawyer]

I'm watching Bill Maher right now, and Buddy Roemer is one of the guests. I didn't he was in the running for the GOP nom as well (sorta). He's a pretty intelligent guy and also very honest. I'm surprised he didn't catch on.

And now you know why you haven't heard of him. Rachel Maddow had him on her show a few times.

 

[Oblivion]

I'm watching Bill Maher right now, and Buddy Roemer is one of the guests. I didn't he was in the running for the GOP nom as well (sorta). He's a pretty intelligent guy and also very honest. I'm surprised he didn't catch on.

Are there any right wingers on the show tonight?

 

[A27_StarWolf]

You'd mentioned you liked Newts ideas on the economy. Any particulars? And independent of that, what kind of ideas are you looking for from the candidates to create jobs?

I'm not trying to grill you, just trying to break out of the broad strokes and into policy.

What Newt supports (economic):

-Stopping the tax increases for 2013, while we are still recovering economically
-The Death Tax, if I understand it correctly.
-an OPTIONAL Flat Tax rate sounds like a good idea. That way the lower income bracket isn't screwed
-Breaking up bigger banks, and giving smaller independent banks more room to grow.
-His FDA and EPA reform ideas sound good in theory. Focus on getting more solutions, encourage working with corporations developing technology and such
-I'm not terribly turned off at the sound of a balanced budget
-Bringing back more money to NASA, better goals with NASA


What I want:
-Better explanation of "Obamacare" or something that works as well in countries like England
-Be open to diplomatic ideas with Iran, but don't be afraid to stop them when they go to far
-Someone with big ideas, and someone who is very leader like.
-A more aggressive policy on immigration.
-Make the military efficient, keep the ability to fight on two fronts
-Elimination of Super PAC's
-Getting rid of SOPA and PIPA and pushing anti SOPA and PIPA laws that make Thensure they don't happen again
-Government cutting, and making it more efficient. This should be a higher priority than increasing taxes.
-Bring back manufacturing to the US
-more, I guess that's good for now.

 

[ezekial45]

Are there any right wingers on the show tonight?

Matt Lewis, who wrote a book on Sarah Palin.

 

[Oblivion]

Matt Lewis, who wrote a book on Sarah Palin.

Sweet. I hate it when he ony has on dirty libruls (not a joke).

 

[Black Republican]

i still think mitt can pull a win in SC, even if newt wins there i dont see him doing any good elsewhere. i think this year the old trend of SC picking the likely GOP nominee will die .

 

[balladofwindfishes]

What Newt supports (economic):
-an OPTIONAL Flat Tax rate sounds like a good idea. That way the lower income bracket isn't screwed

how can you have an optional tax rate?

 

[KtSlime]

What Newt supports (economic):

-Stopping the tax increases for 2013, while we are still recovering economically There are no tax increases, simply a return to what they should be
-The Death Tax, if I understand it correctly. You mean an estate tax - if you are trying to encourage the people with the best educations to be productive members of society, why give them all of their dead parent's money?
-an OPTIONAL Flat Tax rate sounds like a good idea. That way the lower income bracket isn't screwed Flat taxes are not fair to the population
-Breaking up bigger banks, and giving smaller independent banks more room to grow. This seems okay, but when was the last time the government broke up a corporation? Ma Bell?
-His FDA and EPA reform ideas sound good in theory. Focus on getting more solutions, encourage working with corporations developing technology and such We don't need any regressions in environmental laws, I am quite fine with a companies inability to dump mercury into drinking water
-I'm not terribly turned off at the sound of a balanced budget Balanced budgets are okay, but are more often than not used to cut programs people desperately need.
-Bringing back more money to NASA, better goals with NASA This is reasonable


What I want:
-Better explanation of "Obamacare" or something that works as well in countries like England The healthcare system should be a single payer, however this is not possible due to the current Blue-Scare*
-Be open to diplomatic ideas with Iran, but don't be afraid to stop them when they go to far What is too far? Are they allowed to use nuclear for energy?
-Someone with big ideas, and someone who is very leader like. Newt is more weasel like than leader like - but I guess if you gave him a ermine coat and crown he could look quite regal.
-A more aggressive policy on immigration. What's wrong with immigration? What Native American tribe are you from?
-Make the military efficient, keep the ability to fight on two fronts We have no need for this capability
-Elimination of Super PAC's Now we are seeing eye to eye
-Getting rid of SOPA and PIPA and pushing anti SOPA and PIPA laws that make Thensure they don't happen again Here here
-Government cutting, and making it more efficient. This should be a higher priority than increasing taxes. You lost me. If all money comes from the government buying things for the government, why would you want the government to decrease how much it buys?
-Bring back manufacturing to the US Not possible, but look on the bright side - China will lose their manufacturing industry to Africa in the next 15-20 years.
-more, I guess that's good for now.

Response inline.

*Coining it now, look forward to it in future history books.

 

[Zabka]

Matt Lewis, who wrote a book on Sarah Palin.

"Blah blah blah both sides blah blah blah"

Matt Lewis is a schmuck. Roemer's alright.

 

[Sirpopopop]

What Newt supports (economic):
Bring back manufacturing to the US

Well... manufacturing never really left.

 

[RDreamer]

Starwolf's list made me search out Newt's views on the "Death Tax" (fuck I hate calling it that). He's claiming that it's hurting family farms and small businesses. Except when I looked it up you're not taxed until the estate is larger than FIVE MILLION dollars. I think eliminating the estate tax would help a completely different type of person (someone like, say Mitt Romney's kids) far more than it would help the family farms of America.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

What Newt supports (economic):

-Stopping the tax increases for 2013, while we are still recovering economically There's definitely an argument for this, but EGTRRA is an piece of shit legislation and the sooner it dies the better.
-The Death Tax, if I understand it correctly. Newt likely opposes the estate tax, which only affected 2% of the population before EGTRRA, and even less after that. If you think wealth inequality is problematic and social mobility is important, then you should support an estate tax.
-an OPTIONAL Flat Tax rate sounds like a good idea. That way the lower income bracket isn't screwed An optional flat tax is merely a massive cut for the highest earners. Taxation should be more progressive, not less. Flat taxes don't necessarily hurt lower income earners, by the way, but the way many of the tax plans by Republicans this year have been designed, they would have that effect.
-Breaking up bigger banks, and giving smaller independent banks more room to grow. You mean banks should be more regulated?
-His FDA and EPA reform ideas sound good in theory. Focus on getting more solutions, encourage working with corporations developing technology and such
-I'm not terribly turned off at the sound of a balanced budget Mandating a balanced budget is an excellent way to ensure that the people most dependent on the government receive huge benefit cuts in times of economic distress.
-Bringing back more money to NASA, better goals with NASA I personally don't understand the fixation with NASA. Or manned spaceflight, for that matter.


What I want:
-Better explanation of "Obamacare" or something that works as well in countries like England It's not very hard to explain. There's some regulatory reform to prevent some of the abuses of the industry, with an individual mandate to ensure that people buy coverage and penalties for people who don't.
-Be open to diplomatic ideas with Iran, but don't be afraid to stop them when they go to far Define "go too far."
-Someone with big ideas, and someone who is very leader like. Gingrich certainly has lots of ideas, but a great deal has been written on his leadership, and the record is by and large not positive.
-A more aggressive policy on immigration. Aggressive towards who?
-Make the military efficient, keep the ability to fight on two fronts These goals are contradictory, and besides, we've never actually had the ability to fight on two fronts. It's fairly well established that the war in Iraq compromised operations in Afghanistan. The recent outline from the DoD is simply acknowledging what we've known for the past ten years: we can fight one war, and mess shit up quite thoroughly somewhere else (at extraordinary human and financial cost.)
-Elimination of Super PAC's
-Getting rid of SOPA and PIPA and pushing anti SOPA and PIPA laws that make Thensure they don't happen again
-Government cutting, and making it more efficient. This should be a higher priority than increasing taxes. I'll have to run down the statistics, but the US government is actually already extraordinarily efficient when compared to that of other countries. We prevent ourselves from doing many of the things that would reduce costs the most: DHHS does not bargain with drug companies for lower rate, even though its buying power would enable it to reduce costs considerably.
-Bring back manufacturing to the US This is a widely held misconception. The United States does a lot of value-added manufacturing (cars and the like). We don't do much low-skilled manufacturing in the US; that's what China is for. It is substantially unlikely that it will be profitable for corporations to return low-skill manufacturing operations to the United States, and it's not clear that we should want them to.
-more, I guess that's good for now.

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[GhaleonEB]

What Newt supports (economic):

-Stopping the tax increases for 2013, while we are still recovering economically
-The Death Tax, if I understand it correctly.
-an OPTIONAL Flat Tax rate sounds like a good idea. That way the lower income bracket isn't screwed
-Breaking up bigger banks, and giving smaller independent banks more room to grow.
-His FDA and EPA reform ideas sound good in theory. Focus on getting more solutions, encourage working with corporations developing technology and such
-I'm not terribly turned off at the sound of a balanced budget
-Bringing back more money to NASA, better goals with NASA

Not sure if you realize this, but your first three items contradict with the last one; they are steep tax cuts followed by the desire for a balanced budget.

Implementing those three would further explode the deficit by trillions. This is one of the great contradictions from the GOP candidates (and most of the party): they claim to want a balanced budget, but promote policies that would (and have) increase it. I'm an advocate for a balanced budget as well, but that requires both increased taxes (particularly on the wealthy) and some cost controls in healthcare (which is the biggest driver of our deficit going forward).

We can't keep cutting taxes by trillions and then expect to get a balanced budget. We're in the current pickle in large part because of the Bush (now extended by Obama) tax cuts. Toss in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, along with Medicare Part D, and that's about 90% of it right there. All Republican policies, incidentally.

The healthcare bill cuts the deficit by over a trillion, and that's a lowball estimate. It's one of the reasons I support it, warts and all. (I'm all for fixing the warts. )

Thanks for the list.

 

[A27_StarWolf]

As being someone who lives close to certain areas of manufacturing... or at least what is left of it.

It has certainly left to an extent, very much when it comes to the steel industry.

 

[A27_StarWolf]

Your first three items contradict with the last one. Implementing those three would further explode the deficit by trillions. This is one of the great contradictions from the GOP candidates (and most of the party): they claim to want a balanced budget, but promote policies that would (and have) increase it. I'm an advocate for a balanced budget as well, but that requires both increased taxes (particularly on the wealthy) and some cost controls in healthcare (which is the biggest driver of our deficit going forward).

We can't keep cutting taxes by trillions and then expect to get a balanced budget. We're in the current pickle in large part because of the Bush (now extended by Obama) tax cuts. Toss in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, along with Medicare Part D, and that's about 90% of it right there. All Republican policies, incidentally.

The healthcare bill cuts the deficit by over a trillion, and that's a lowball estimate. It's one of the reasons I support it, warts and all.

interesting, I'll take that into thought and consideration.

I guess I've always thought that we should first make the government more efficient and cut useless things, then talk about higher taxes.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

As being someone who lives close to certain areas of manufacturing... or at least what is left of it.

It has certainly left to an extent, very much when it comes to the steel industry.

The United States is the world's largest manufacturer, with a 2009 industrial output of US$2.33 trillion. Its manufacturing output is greater than of Germany, France, India, and Brazil combined. [...]

The U.S. produces approximately 18% of the world's manufacturing output, a number that has declined as other nations developed competitive manufacturing industries.[108] The job loss during this continual volume growth is the result of multiple factors including increased productivity, trade, and secular economic trends.[113] In addition, growth in telecommunications, pharmaceuticals, aircraft, heavy machinery and other industries along with declines in low end, low skill industries such as clothing, toys, and other simple manufacturing have resulted in U.S. jobs being more highly skilled and better paying.[citation needed] It has been argued that the decline in US manufacturing has not been primarily driven by American unions and lower foreign wages

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[Al-ibn Kermit]

According to fivethirtyeight.com, Newt has a 64% chance of winning SC but Romney has a 93% chance of winning Florida. It's possible that Newt will win SC but still not eventually get the nomination but I would like to see a neck-and-neck race until Super Tuesday. It's really amazing how fast Romney lost his momentum.

 

[KingK]

interesting, I'll take that into thought and consideration.

I guess I've always thought that we should first make the government more efficient and cut useless things, then talk about higher taxes.

the thing is, while the government is far from perfect in efficiency, it is much more efficient than the right paints it to be. The amount of money to be saved by "cutting the waste" and such isn't even close to enough to balance the budget. I'm all for doing so, but until you start talking about tax increases, you're not taking the budget seriously at all.

 

[Clevinger]

I personally don't understand the fixation with NASA.

How dare you.

I guess I've always thought that we should first make the government more efficient and cut useless things, then talk about higher taxes.

Depends on what you mean by "useless" things. Republicans like to myopically say things like volcano monitoring and fish populations are "useless," but it couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[watershed]

According to fivethirtyeight.com, Newt has a 64% chance of winning SC but Romney has a 93% chance of winning Florida. It's possible that Newt will win SC but still not eventually get the nomination but I would like to see a neck-and-neck race until Super Tuesday. It's really amazing how fast Romney lost his momentum.

Just goes to show how soft his support is. That whole 25%, 4 years, millions spent thing might actually be true.

 

[The Librarian]

According to fivethirtyeight.com, Newt has a 64% chance of winning SC but Romney has a 93% chance of winning Florida. It's possible that Newt will win SC but still not eventually get the nomination but I would like to see a neck-and-neck race until Super Tuesday. It's really amazing how fast Romney lost his momentum.

Isn't that because all the polling is being done on SC and we haven't gotten a lot of polling data on the race post-surge in Florida?

 

[Cloudy]

I find it really incredible that Obama is getting more positive vibes for singing a few lines than taking out OBL. Idiocracy indeed lol

Isn't that because all the polling is being done on SC and we haven't gotten a lot of polling data on the race post-surge in Florida?

Florida has early voting and apparently a lot of folks have voted alread

 

[RDreamer]

I guess I've always thought that we should first make the government more efficient and cut useless things, then talk about higher taxes.

That's an interesting philosophy to have, but wouldn't that depend on the starting point? At what point do you define taxes as being at a normal rate, and then what is "higher" and what is "lower?"

If you get into trouble and then find out that something you last did was what got you into that trouble shouldn't you go back to that starting point and then figure things out? Basically it's proven that the Bush tax cuts were one of the big things that got us into budget trouble. Should we not roll those back and then figure things out from that point? That is the last point we were good with things.

And again it's a starting point problem. If you go back to that point with taxes is it really "higher?" I mean it's higher than now, but in an overall sense is it higher?

Basically the statement you made makes no real sense. It's just rhetoric that a lot of people will blindly agree with before looking at things. Of course we need government to be more efficient and cut useless things. But that should really be an all the time thing. Saying that should come before higher taxes is trying to say someone wants useless things in government and wants higher taxes because of it. No one wants that.

 

[jamesinclair]

I find it really incredible that Obama is getting more positive vibes for singing a few lines than taking out OBL. Idiocracy indeed lol

If he played the sax, there wouldnt even be a gop primary.