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[Geneijin]

Okay lets say you're right. Let's say I concede, everything I said about moe is wrong. What does that mean? Fuck all. I still hate K-ON, I still hate all the companies that have over-saturated the market with year after year of moe shows, and still hate everyone involved with the companies, and I still hate the fans for creating an environment where only moe shows do really well and thus mostly those shows get made.

Way to totally miss the point of the discussion. Are you even interested in having one? Are we even having one now? You're deflecting the discussion yet again.

If you're going to hate something, know what it is you're condemning. Being an ignoramus just reflects poorly on you and your attitude in general. It also doesn't mean you should intentionally misrepresent a community and propagate poor stereotypes.

 

[Mortrialus]

Way to totally miss the point of the discussion. Are you even interested in having one? Are we even having one now? You're deflecting the discussion yet again.

If you're going to hate something, know what it is you're condemning. Being an ignoramus just reflects poorly on you and your attitude in general. It also doesn't mean you should intentionally misrepresent a community and propagate poor stereotypes.

You act like moe isn't already famous for being a poorly defined term.

 

[cajunator]

I buy the cute anime and will continue to buy it, so I am part of the problem.

Or am I part of the solution?

 

[Geneijin]

You act like moe isn't already famous for being a poorly defined term.

Yet its definition is somehow what you say it is? The prevalent definition of moe is much closer to its meaning than what yours is. If you want to make up definitions for yourself, go ahead. But if we're talking about film theory, and you want to debunk that because it isn't closest to your own, then good luck. Of course we'll be at a crossroad when your definition of it is in the minority and not the commonly held definition of it.

 

[cajunator]

Moe to me means "cute" pure and simple. whether that's what it actually means or not is of irrelevance to me. I consider some cars to be moe. Like the Nissan Pivo. That car is cute as fuck. Maybe I'm just odd or something.

 

[PdotMichael]

The slang term "Moe" describes the using of stereotypical elements (glasses, cats ears...) to define a character as "cute".

Any other definition is wrong

 

[Dynamite Ringo Matsuri]

I kinda figured this thread would eventually devolve into some form of bickering, but damn it, it's derailed due to K-On and moe? Not like this man, not like this :/

 

[cajunator]

The slang term "Moe" describes the using of stereotypical elements (glasses, cats ears...) to define a character as "cute".

Any other definition is wrong

I agree with this.

I kinda figured this thread would eventually devolve into some form of bickering, but damn it, it's derailed due to K-On and moe? Not like this man, not like this :/

Oh yes, like this.
Your avatar seems to agree.

 

[7Th]

That's why I was joking. Well, that and Re Cutie Honey...

But the Anno-directed parts in each are good!

The best parts of Re:Cutie Honey and KareKano aren't directly related to Anno, although he certainly facilitated their existance.

 

[Instro]

I kinda figured this thread would eventually devolve into some form of bickering, but damn it, it's derailed due to K-On and moe? Not like this man, not like this :/

I'm sure there is some correlation between all of this.

 

[Dynamite Ringo Matsuri]

Oh yes, like this.
Your avatar seems to agree.

Rin isn't moe though. She's a space-case jellyfish.

Anyway, does anyone know if Evangelion will ever get a Blu Ray rerelease? I still have the original ADV DVDs and those are far from being good since a lot of the footage was culled from VHS masters IIRC.

 

[cajunator]

Rin isn't moe though. She's a space-case jellyfish.

Anyway, does anyone know if Evangelion will ever get a Blu Ray rerelease? I still have the original ADV DVDs and those are far from being good since a lot of the footage was culled from VHS masters IIRC.

sorry. the best you will get is the Remake movies.

 

[Risette]

Rin isn't moe though. She's a space-case jellyfish.

Anyway, does anyone know if Evangelion will ever get a Blu Ray rerelease? I still have the original ADV DVDs and those are far from being good since a lot of the footage was culled from VHS masters IIRC.

It'll happen. And it was shot on 16mm film so they will not be upscales.

The Platinum DVDs are a good holdover until then, tho.

 

[Mortrialus]

sorry. the best you will get is the Remake movies.

Gainax hasn't done that yet? Given how much a cash cow Eva is or them, you'd think they would have gotten right on that as soon as blu ray was released for commercial use.

 

[cajunator]

Gainax hasn't done that yet? Given how much a cash cow Eva is or them, you'd think they would have gotten right on that as soon as blu ray was released for commercial use.

nope. After Platinum they did the remakes.
That's been it so far.
Seeing as how Evangelion is the #1 cash cow anime of all time pretty much, they will inevitably milk it further.
The Platinum DVDs are really nice though.

 

[Dynamite Ringo Matsuri]

It'll happen. And it was shot on 16mm film so they will not be upscales.

The Platinum DVDs are a good holdover until then, tho.

Yeah, someone tried to sell me on the idea of the Platinum rerelease and it sounded great for the time, but I just got a new 51" plasma and the Platinum discs would likely look grainy/blurry on a screen that size. I hope the Blu Rays come with the resurgence in popularity due to Rebuild. All I need is that and Cowbow Bebop on Blu Ray and I'm set.

 

[SD-Ness]

After watching End of Eva, I'm reporting back. The first half was great. The second half was not great. I still maintain, as I said in my OP, that the show would be really great if it was longer, as in at least twice as long, maybe not absurdly long like Naruto or DBZ, but maybe around 50 episodes.

Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, and Gurren Lagann all end rather well, but I think this is because they have less to explain. Their foundations are pretty easy to pick up and run with: bounty hunters, itinerant warriors, and so on. These shows have less baggage, and one feels content after episode 26. Neon Genesis Evangelion is just too stuffed with backstory and content. While I don't find its philosophizing and pyschologizing that profound, I think it would be better if it was less jammed into an episode and instead gradually eased in.

With that said, the original episodes 25 and 26 are just ridiculous as an ending. They're artsy and experimental, yeah, but not proper ways to end a show, especially after building it up so much. I read that there were time constraints and budget problems, so I assume this was a quicker and more cost effective way of finishing up. But it really made no sense to me. Perhaps they could have used ep 25 and done something with 26. But End of Eva, I guess, makes up for it in the end.

Does anyone know what the fan reaction to eps 25 and 26 was in Japan when NGE originally aired? Was End of Eva planned or was it a response to fan response?

Anyway, I'm glad that End of Eva actually clears up a good chunk of the questions one has after watching ep 26 - most importantly, what comes next after Shinji kills Kaworu.

But I didn't really dig the second half's avant-garde approach to a final ending. It's just too much. This is stretching it a bit but it sort of reminded me of Kubrick's 2001 A Space Odyssey, which I like a lot. It was as successful in that movie but not as successful here.

But the first half of End of Eva was pretty dope. I love the scene when Asuka fights the remaining Evas - she looks so psycho! As well as when Shinji reacts to the corpse of Eva 02.

Does anyone know what Gendo Ikari says to Ritsuko Akagi before he shoots her? It's inaudible, which I assume is intended, but what's the speculation?

Anyway, I'm most definitely a Misato fan all the way. Heh. But clearly the best character is...

 

[Risette]

EoE and Ep25/26 tell the same story in different ways.

 

[Branduil]

Does anyone know what Gendo Ikari says to Ritsuko Akagi before

Spoiler

he shoots her?

It's inaudible, which I assume is intended, but what's the speculation?

He says

Spoiler

Inception>Paprika.

 

[SD-Ness]

He says

Spoiler

Inception>Paprika.

Inception suffers from the same problem as NGE.

 

[Risette]

Inception suffers from the same problem as NGE.

Inception has far more problems that aren't even in Eva.

What does Inception or Paprika have to do with this thread anyways. Ugh, Branduli.

 

[Branduil]

Inception has far more problems that aren't even in Eva.

What does Inception or Paprika have to do with this thread anyways. Ugh, Branduli.

The same thing that moe arguments and bickering about super robot shows has to do with it.

 

[cajunator]

Branduil's wrong anyway.

 

[cajunator]

The same thing that moe arguments and bickering about super robot shows has to do with it.

Eva contains moe elements and super robot elements. Its relevant.
Kind of.

 

[Mortrialus]

He says

Spoiler

Inception>Paprika.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrUvol0Hr7U#t=13m07s

Spoiler warning.

 

[cajunator]

He really says "moe is good for you".

 

[Mortrialus]

He really says "moe is good for you".

And Ritsuko calls him a liar.

 

[cajunator]

And Ritsuko calls him a liar.

She deserved to get shot then.

 

[Branduil]

lol.

What?

Both are sorely lacking in Chiaki Omigawa.

 

[cajunator]

Both are sorely lacking in Chiaki Omigawa.

Hmm. you have a point here.

 

[Fox318]

Is that like the Apple Store, but less crappy computers and more angst?

That's what I hope!

I would probably go just to pick this up.

 

[Dynamite Ringo Matsuri]

^is that Girlfriend of Steel? Are any of the Eva games any good? I rememeber opening up a copy of Gamer's Republic eons ago and seeing Evangelion on N64, and wondering about it.

 

[Demon Lizardman]

I just thought of something, WETA plans on doing the effects on the live action film
http://www.cgsociety.org/index.php/...neon_genesis_evangelion_concept_art_from_weta

Also, this series is pretty much like if David Lynch made a Giant robot cartoon.

 

[Trent Strong]

That is the plot though; Eva is about aliens from outer space. The religious imagery is all just window dressing.

And that's why all the religious imagery is just a big troll by Anno.

What the? At the end of EOE, everyone on the planet mergers into one consciousness (or something, who knows really). You can't explain that with aliens. Something supernatural/metaphysical is definitely happening at that point.

 

[Hellsing321]

I just thought of something, WETA plans on doing the effects on the live action film
http://www.cgsociety.org/index.php/...neon_genesis_evangelion_concept_art_from_weta

Also, this series is pretty much like if David Lynch made a Giant robot cartoon.

That movie is never getting made. Its been in development hell forever.

 

[FO-totality]

I wanna stay out of the argument a little bit, but I share Mortrialus's feeling on looking through new seasonal shows and just being let down. All I see are school life shows with "cute" female casts and I just feel...disappointed.

I might see a movie that looking interesting, but that's really it.

 

[Dynamite Ringo Matsuri]

That movie never getting made. Its been in development hell forever.

One can only hope. Otherwise it'll get the Bayformer treatment and Shia cast as Shinji and set in Neo New York-3 or some other abomination :l

 

[FO-totality]

That movie is never getting made. Its been in development hell forever.

A man can dream, can't he?

 

[Crash Station]

Rin isn't moe though. She's a space-case jellyfish.

Anyway, does anyone know if Evangelion will ever get a Blu Ray rerelease? I still have the original ADV DVDs and those are far from being good since a lot of the footage was culled from VHS masters IIRC.

I don't know how you can say Rin, or any of the KS girls for that matter, aren't moe. They are TOTALLY moe. Hell, the whole concept of the game could be interpreted as "a girl you want to protect" which is one of the moe definers.

 

[Risette]

I wanna stay out of the argument a little bit, but I share Mortrialus's feeling on looking through new seasonal shows and just being let down. All I see are school life shows with "cute" female casts and I just feel...disappointed.

I might see a movie that looking interesting, but that's really it.

Not all of those shows are bad. K-ON and iDOLM@STER are some of the good ones, for example.

 

[Branduil]

Not all of those shows are bad. K-ON and iDOLM@STER are some of the good ones, for example.

You misspelled Hanasaku Iroha.

 

[Hellsing321]

You misspelled Hanasaku Iroha.

You misspelled Wandering Son.

 

[Branduil]

What the? At the end of EOE, everyone on the planet mergers into one consciousness (or something, who knows really). You can't explain that with aliens.

Why not? Especially since that is the explanation.

You misspelled Wandering Son.

Wandering Son is a show with a mainly female cast?

 

[Risette]

You misspelled Hanasaku Iroha.

Why would I get him to watch something woefully inconsistent and often times quite ugly due to the lack of talent at PA Works? Don't pick on people with misleading recommendations, Branduli.

 

[Dynamite Ringo Matsuri]

I don't know how you can say Rin, or any of the KS girls for that matter, aren't moe. They are TOTALLY moe. Hell, the whole concept of the game could be interpreted as "a girl you want to protect" which is one of the moe definers.

Lol, I was being facetious dude. Anyhow, true, the characters in KS do share some moe-esque traits, but I associate moe characters with being really flat archetypes that possess little depth nor undergo much development, which isn't the case for the cast of KS. KS is more similar to Neon Genesis than say.. K-On.

 

[Branduil]

Why would I get him to watch something woefully inconsistent and often times quite ugly due to the lack of talent at PA Works? Don't pick on people with misleading recommendations, Branduli.

Well I assumed he cared more about characterization and story. But yes, if you're all about pretty animation, K-on and Idolmaster are the way to go.

 

[FO-totality]

Not all of those shows are bad. K-ON and iDOLM@STER are some of the good ones, for example.

But none of them interest me, even in the slightest.

It's like all my friends who enjoy Skrillix:

Me: "I enjoy and I'm open about a lot of music, really, I am! My musical tastes are very eclectic. But honestly, 99% of dubstep is not good."

Them: "Yeah...but Skrillix is not like them, he's better!"

Me: "Fine, I'll try it...." *** "Nope. Did not enjoy."

Yes. I just compared moe to dubstep. What now?

 

[Risette]

But none of them interest me, even in the slightest.

But have you tried them out yet? You might like them!

Even if the concept doesn't interest you, you may realize that concept is worthless once you watch these great shows. It's all about the execution.

 

[Crash Station]

Lol, I was being facetious dude. Anyhow, true, the characters in KS do share some moe-esque traits, but I associate moe characters with being really flat archetypes that possess little depth nor undergo much development, which isn't the case for the cast of KS. KS is more similar to Neon Genesis than say.. K-On.

That's not really what moe is.

 

[Branduil]

concept is worthless

Check off another box on the bingo card.