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KingK said:
Even with a huge Gingrich win here, I can't see him winning the nomination. No way does the GOP establishment let that happen.



They have Anderson Cooper. He's pretty good usually. But yeah, they generally suck.
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Yeah, I like Cooper, but that's about it on CNN...
 
Amir0x said:
Even though what newt actually says is insane, he actually understands what these debates are really about. Soundbites.

All Newt will have to do is make some alpha male-esque stab at Obama's record, reprimanding the media or liberals and "socialism", and that will be the soundbite used by all media outlets the next day - effectively a win for Newt.

Obama would have to be really, really careful not to be out-soundbited.
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And that's why it would be such a delicious series of debates to watch. Romney is a measured speaker but he's boring until he gets flustered and even then it's just a gaffe. Gingrich is strong with rhetoric and a loose cannon. He would stir the pot, make false accusations and just piss off Barack on live television. And what does Obama do when he's pissed off? Some pretty bad ass shit. He has these marvelous rejoinders that sit on the cusp of wit and spite. They're rare but always fun to watch.
 
Clevinger said:
I truly don't understand why Wolf Blitzer has a job. He's this perfect storm of unattractive, dumb as bricks, incompetent, and speaks in the most boring monotone on earth.
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He's a total robot, I've seen him on camera outside of work and he's no more human. I guess CNN likes to have no bias, no opinion, no personality so he's the total embodiment of the bland, flavorless CNN persona.
 
Gary Whitta said:
How come Santorum didn't do better? He had the momentum coming out of Iowa and this is the first southern primary, where'd you'd expect a big social conservative to play better. Isn't he the Huckabee of this cycle?
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He had momentum out of Iowa, but he performed dismally in NH. Then, most voters were breaking towards Romney until Newt's debate performance Monday night. Thereafter, his support skyrocketed and everyone's stagnated. There simply was little opportunity for Santorum to surge.
 
Amir0x said:
The best attack of the debate on Thursday actually came from Santorum, handily deconstructing the various controversies which Newt was involved with and why this is going to be massive baggage going into the general. He even made a pointed attack about Newt being big on ideas ("an idea a minute") and very poor on execution of said ideas.

This was easily the best attack of the night... but it was impossible to soundbite. Newt goes for the big soundbite up front, and that is all anyone talked about for the next 36 hours. Nobody remembers a single thing about the rest of the debate.

If Obama tries to beat Newt on substance, he'll get many Santorum-esque losses in the debates. Where substantively he has the better points overall, but he simply couldn't compete with Newt's large mouthed condemnations acting as a de facto representation for the anger that many Americans feel right now
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I think this is more due to the fact that Santurum is an uninspired public speaker.
Obama is a much better debated, you throw a Gingrich over the plate for him and he knock that shit out of the park.

Opiate said:
Fareed Zakaria? He sticks out even more prominently than Cooper does, to me.
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GPS feels like something that they're pirating from a better station.
 
I called it!

I believe it was Clovingsteam who said, and I quote, "Not going to happen."
 
Salvor.Hardin said:
The biography goes in a bit more detail about why Jobs thinks America is lagging behind. As I recall he was quite interested in getting Obama to make some changes for the better and stressed on vocational training. According to him, either workers are over-qualified, or under qualified, leaving few factory workers with an understanding of the machinery they're working with. And that's where China excels.
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That's barely coherent. As if law and accountancy firms don't spend a lot of money training their employees. Why should the government train people to make a pittance? Jobs just wanted more subsidies and loved his Chinese cheap labor.
 
Chichikov said:
I think this is more due to the fact that Santurum is an uninspired public speaker.
Obama is a much better debated, you throw a Gingrich over the plate for him and he knock that shit out of the park.
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Obama is not that good of a debater. He's decent at best. He's a great speaker, and the words always sound great falling out, but he's not very aggressive and he's not always effective at connecting certain concepts to the lives of the every day voter. Not being aggressive worked next to McCain, considering the ideas people had about McCain - and McCain was a fucking terrible debater. But the American public is feeling quite angry and lost right now, and they want an vocal spokesman to rally those feelings. Obama is definitely not that person.

Newt is definitely the superior candidate in the modern debate format, it's not even close really. Being the better debater has nothing to do with facts as they relate to the presidential race.
 
Gingrich is the GOP candidate I least want in the White House.

My prediction: GOP rallies behind Newt because they feel just as persecuted as he was by CNN *snicker* and he gets the nom.
 
Byakuya769 said:
That's barely coherent. As if law and accountancy firms don't spend a lot of money training their employees. Why should the government train people to make a pittance? Jobs just wanted more subsidies and loved his Chinese cheap labor.
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The idea is to train people who are making a pittance in America to be useful to companies so that they can use them. In any case, it would make one a poor CEO to bring those jobs to America where it would cost the company more. Apart from patriotism, which is a fairly tired concept, companies like Apple don't have any obligation to local employment.
 
It's very hard to bet against the Republican establishment, I agree. They've run such an incredibly tight ship for so long that a loss of this nature (i.e. Newt taking the nomination) would be unprecedented in the last 30 years.

If he does win the nomination, it would indicate how strong the fractures inside the party have become. Two years ago, they began to lose a few congressional seats because of these fractures -- not the biggest deal, and the party worked hard to try and pull the groups back together again. But the presidential nominee? That's a far bigger deal.
 
When Wolf Blitzer said (just a few moments ago) that they were ready to make a "dramatic announcement", I thought for a second they were going to call Romney winning and throw a wrench into all of this lol.
 
IS there even an establishment candidate this time around?


Kud Dukan said:
When Wolf Blitzer said (just a few moments ago) that they were ready to make a "dramatic announcement", I thought for a second they were going to call Romney winning and throw a wrench into all of this lol.
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Blitzer is a master of hype; he's more like a carnival barker than a newsman.
 
How about that Nikki Haley. This reminds me of the Indiana primary in 08, when Evan Bayh was Hillary's biggest surrogate in the state and seemed like her key to victory. As the results came in proclaiming an Obama win, he was sitting at a computer hitting F5 watching the returns.

Welcome to the club Haley
 
Well, it's a competition for delegates now. What's the calendar looking like post-Florida? Is Super Tuesday favorable ground for Gingrich or Romney?
 
Does anyone believe Jindal or Christie or Jeb Bush isn't waiting in the tall grass, waiting for this deadlock to play out so they can ride in at the last minute as the (comparatively unvetted and certainly unbloodied) savior?

EDIT: NBC just said this is the first time in history that Iowa, NH and SC have been won by three different candidates.
 
I'll be really interested to see a recent poll about Gingrich and his numbers with independent and woman voters.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Does anyone believe Jindal or Christie or Jeb Bush isn't waiting in the tall grass, waiting for this deadlock to play out so they can ride in at the last minute as the (comparatively unvetted and certainly unbloodied) savior?

EDIT: NBC just said this is the first time in history that Iowa, NH and SC have been won by three different candidates.
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Christie could do it and win.

The other two would have absolutely no shot.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Does anyone believe Jindal or Christie or Jeb Bush isn't waiting in the tall grass, waiting for this deadlock to play out so they can ride in at the last minute as the (comparatively unvetted and certainly unbloodied) savior?

EDIT: NBC just said this is the first time in history that Iowa, NH and SC have been won by three different candidates.
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JINDAL? LMFAO jesus christ no. That must have the same statistical likelihood of the sky turning into pink elephants or something.

Christie endorsed Romney; he's not jumping in. And Jeb Bush has no desire right now... and nobody can even stomach the word Bush in a presidents name for the moment. It's that toxic.

It's basically too late for any new candidate to be effective in any event.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Wow Gingrich now beating Romney in electability by 9%. Ability to beat Obama by far the biggest factor in voting with 45%.
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*spits water*

This is a CLEAR sign how out of touch people in the GOP are if they think Gingrich is more electable.

One thing to remember, though--this is South Carolina. Some of the craziest right-wingers are voting today.
 
You can't win if you don't run. No political party will nominate someone who got no votes in any of the States. It will be either Gingrich or Romney.
 
Good analysis on MSNBC, basically pointing out that that micro-stat on electability is a HUGE blow for Romney, as big a disaster for him as the overall election result because electability has been Romney's #1 selling point all along. Newt has now obliterated that.
 
Gary Whitta said:
It may not be one of those three but if this deadlock continues to the convention SOMEONE is going to try to seize the opportunity.
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that's just not how the system works. These candidates already are splitting delegates. Anyone who jumped in now would have such immense organizational problems it'd be just ridiculous. Even making it on the ballot in most of the remaining states would be complicated at this stage without the organizational system in place.

There is no chance that anyone will jump in now. These are the four candidates remaining; Santorum is about to be out shortly and Paul is only doing it for shits and gigs like always.

It's Romney vs. Gingrich.
 
I literally can't imagine the delegates gathering at the Republican Convention and leaving with Newt Gingrich as the nominee. I would predict a delegate coup before that happening, even if he has enough delegates "locked up".
 
Gary Whitta said:
It may not be one of those three but if this deadlock continues to the convention SOMEONE is going to try to seize the opportunity.
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There's no way it will go all the way without Romney eventually clinching it. New Jersey, New York, California etc. primaries will see crushing wins by Romney.
 
Amir0x said:
that's just not how the system works. These candidates already are splitting delegates. Anyone who jumped in now would have such immense organizational problems it'd be just ridiculous. Even making it on the ballot in most of the remaining states would be complicated at this stage without the organizational system in place.

There is no chance that anyone will jump in now. These are the four candidates remaining; Santorum is about to be out shortly and Paul is only doing it for shits and gigs like always.

It's Romney vs. Gingrich.
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Ha, maybe I'm being too influenced by the fake campaign on the West Wing where they had a brokered Democratic convention and last-minute candidates came out of the woodwork.
 
Gary Whitta said:
Does anyone believe Jindal or Christie or Jeb Bush isn't waiting in the tall grass, waiting for this deadlock to play out so they can ride in at the last minute as the (comparatively unvetted and certainly unbloodied) savior?

EDIT: NBC just said this is the first time in history that Iowa, NH and SC have been won by three different candidates.
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Jindal can't back anyone else with a straight face. He was so absurdly devoted to Perry, and has said multiple times that he wouldn't endorse another candidate. There was an article about it on the front page of New Orleans's newspaper yesterday.

Bobby Jindal said:
"While I don't plan to endorse anyone else in the primary, I look forward to supporting the nominee," Jindal said. "America cannot afford four more years of Barack Obama."
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Edit: Oh, you meant as a candidate themselves? Definitely not Jindal, no.
 
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