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If Newt wins Florida...Mittens might overheat and go insane.

Mittens was HYPER defensive this morning on Fox, and they went after him hard - "how could you be so hopelessly unprepared..."

The fact that Fox is siding with Newt is BAFFLING. They have to know he can't get elected.
 
Mittens was HYPER defensive this morning on Fox, and they went after him hard - "how could you be so hopelessly unprepared..."

The fact that Fox is siding with Newt is BAFFLING. They have to know he can't get elected.

i don't think they're siding with Newt. It's just that even Fox News can't be so hopelessly disconnected with reality to act like Romney didn't fuck up last week. Remember both Newt and Romney are Republicans; the Republican viewership of Fox News would surely have followed the race and understand what happened to a degree. They have to maintain some semblance of remote credibility with the far right to keep up the laughable 'fair and balanced' schtick.

And anyway, at worst it could have been considered a round about prep talk. "Yo, Romney, shit got real. You done fucked up. Now you gotta huddle up and prepare to drive. It's game time, bitch. WAKE UP."
 
The Republican Party can't reform themselves unless they can change the radio and Fox News culture that keeps pushing it further and further right. Some Republicans are so wrapped up in it that you'd think they were living in the goddamn Mirror Universe from the crazy shit they say.

I disagree. The party will change once their current blueprint becomes irrelevant. The country is becoming far too diverse for them to continue demonizing Hispanics, dog whistling on blacks, going hard right on social issues, etc. Things won't change over night, but soon we'll see a more realist, even populist GOP emerge.

The problem is that if Romney loses to Obama, the tea party/hard right will argue the GOP threw away an easy election thanks to a weak, moderate candidate. They'll want their Goldwater, but I just don't see it happening given the crop of sane-ish GOP governors ready to run in 2016 (Christie, Daniels, McDonnell, etc).

In short the party has to become more moderate, and in some ways more libertarian unless they want to deal with a shrinking electoral map thanks to Colorado, New Mexico, and possibly Nevada and Arizona.
 
Ann Coulter:
“Apparently, South Carolinians would rather have the emotional satisfaction of a snotty remark toward the president than to beat Obama in the fall,” Coulter, the author of “Demonic: How the Liberal Mob Is Endangering America,” said. “We saw it in the debates when Gingrich would say things that didn’t really make sense. That is what you usually associate with Democrats, which I described in my last book, ‘Demonic,’ how mobs behave.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/22/c...-and-keep-the-bath-water-video/#ixzz1kFctM76o

Even Ann Coulter is out against Newt. This is the first time I've seen the GOP so divided.
 
Wired has a very nice article about Solyndra (and the history of VC in the green energy sector). I recommend anyone interested go check it out.
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2012/01/ff_solyndra/all/1

It makes you wonder if government should be in the VC business at all.
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Here's all you need to know why solar went bust:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DgMlT0lfJNA/TxnMr0D9tJI/AAAAAAAAQtg/MWo2vFEJALo/s400/natgas1.jpg

That article is a bit confused. Solar hasn't gone bust at all . . . it has gone ballistic. US solar panel manufacturers are struggling . . . but the solar PV market is BIGGER THAN EVER. Installers, contractors, solar plant developers are extremely busy with residential, business, and industrial scale projects. Yes, cheap silicon and cheap Chinese manufacturing have hurt thin-film and US silicon makers, respectively. But to paint it as a bust is to completely misunderstand reality.

Natural gas really hasn't hurt solar much . . . it has has hurt wind more than solar.

The VCs that expected to take over energy biz were definitely naive. Silicon Valley has been a huge success since we have been getting better and better at digital electronics . . . but that is a fundamentally different thing. A bit is massless abstraction. As long as you can accurately represent a bit, you can keep making it smaller in volts, size, charge, magnetism, etc. But energy deals with the real world. A volt is a volt, a watt is a watt, and a BTU is a BTU. You can add some smarts to do things more efficiently, but it is fundamentally different than the digital electronics world.
 
Fuck yes. Go Gingrich!

Romney's Achilles' heel: Latinos and old people. He lost them something like 50-14 to McCain last time, and Florida has a lot of old people.

Why would Romney be worse than Gingrich when it comes to old voters? I thought the reason McCain got the senior vote was because he himself was old.
 
Mittens was HYPER defensive this morning on Fox, and they went after him hard - "how could you be so hopelessly unprepared..."

The fact that Fox is siding with Newt is BAFFLING. They have to know he can't get elected.
They know he can't win the nomination. So at this point, it is in their interest to drag it on for better ratings. Romney still has it in the bag.
 
Mittens was HYPER defensive this morning on Fox, and they went after him hard - "how could you be so hopelessly unprepared..."

The fact that Fox is siding with Newt is BAFFLING. They have to know he can't get elected.

Do you make more money as the underdog or on top?
 
Liquidation would've meant thousands of jobs lost.

Bankruptcy doesn't necessarily mean liquidation, and job loss isn't always a bad thing for the economy, when it's getting rid of inefficiency and clearing space for other better-run companies to take a shot.

Plus, if jobs were such a big issue, wouldn't something like the keystone pipeline and its 120k projected jobs be more of a priority? Or is placating the environmental lobby with 3+ years of red tape and a (temporary?) rejection so that they'll break out the checkbooks for Obama '12 even more important? After all, there'll be more damage to the environment when Canada builds a different pipeline and ships the oil elsewhere in tankers, but that doesn't matter because it won't be happening in our backyard. And we'd rather get our oil from the Saudis anyway because they're the best.
 
That article is a bit confused. Solar hasn't gone bust at all . . . it has gone ballistic. US solar panel manufacturers are struggling . . . but the solar PV market is BIGGER THAN EVER. Installers, contractors, solar plant developers are extremely busy with residential, business, and industrial scale projects. Yes, cheap silicon and cheap Chinese manufacturing have hurt thin-film and US silicon makers, respectively. But to paint it as a bust is to completely misunderstand reality.

Natural gas really hasn't hurt solar much . . . it has has hurt wind more than solar.

The VCs that expected to take over energy biz were definitely naive. Silicon Valley has been a huge success since we have been getting better and better at digital electronics . . . but that is a fundamentally different thing. A bit is massless abstraction. As long as you can accurately represent a bit, you can keep making it smaller in volts, size, charge, magnetism, etc. But energy deals with the real world. A volt is a volt, a watt is a watt, and a BTU is a BTU. You can add some smarts to do things more efficiently, but it is fundamentally different than the digital electronics world.

Europe is a huge market for solar and I believe that due to the recent debt crisis, European governments (notably Germany, which is one of the biggest buyers of solar panels in Europe) have made large cuts to their subsidies for solar panels.

I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't think the US has been able to make up for the recent decrease in demand in Europe. I do know that Europe was a big market for a lot of solar panel companies so really, we need large subsidies for solar in this country and we need Europe to get back on their feet financially to give the green energy sector some stability. Probably in 5-10 years, the market will bounce up again.
 
Why would Romney be worse than Gingrich when it comes to old voters? I thought the reason McCain got the senior vote was because he himself was old.

Old people love Newt... and I wouldn't worry about that Newtmentum abating with two more debates coming tomorrow and Thursday. Florida is his to lose now, especially now that he has SOME money to defend himself from Rom-bot's onslaught of ads.

And Romney losing among Hispanics shouldn't be surprising considering he's even to the right of Newt on immigration issues.
 
oh man. I wonder how much money he and his PACs are going to manage to spend in 8 days. It's gonna be a lot.

His bundlers were watching the SC results to determine future support. They're since agreed to at least match Newt's spending in Florida, which is currently around $5m. So he'll have $10m for the 10 days, which is pretty damn good.

I'm curious about the Hispanic turnout. Newt has been refusing to go hard right on immigration since the primaries began, and perhaps it reaps benefits in some Hispanic endorsements here. It would be VERY interesting if not only did Newt win Florida, but he did it in part thanks to dominating the Hispanic vote. Romney went hard right on immigration in 08 and he's doing the same nonsense this time
 
by the way, Nate Silver is implying that pollster has a bit of a Gingrich bias so don't get too incredibly excited yet. And keep in mind that PPP, which is a great pollster, had them at a tie today.
 
His bundlers were watching the SC results to determine future support. They're since agreed to at least match Newt's spending in Florida, which is currently around $5m. So he'll have $10m for the 10 days, which is pretty damn good.

I'm curious about the Hispanic turnout. Newt has been refusing to go hard right on immigration since the primaries began, and perhaps it reaps benefits in some Hispanic endorsements here. It would be VERY interesting if not only did Newt win Florida, but he did it in part thanks to dominating the Hispanic vote. Romney went hard right on immigration in 08 and he's doing the same nonsense this time

Newt is also Catholic and not a Scientologist or whatever Mittens is.
 
^But Why? Is there a policy reason or do they just like his age/ornery attitude.



HOoooooooooooly shit, I thought he was a long shot in Florida but he's already ten points ahead? If he doesn't implode in the next week, Santorum may just drop out and give Newt his endorsement making Newt's lead over Romney even bigger.

Read this a while ago in December, http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/newt-gingrichs-secret-weapon-old-people.php so it might be a bit out-of-date, but I'd say it still applies.

Newt Gingrich’s Secret Weapon: Old People

If 2008 was the year a generation of impressionable young voters rallied behind Barack Obama, Newt Gingrich is hoping 2012 is the year the elderly strike back. And so far, his plan seems to be working.

The former Speaker has made senior citizens a key plank of his strategy since the beginning of his run. Gingrich’s first major speech after declaring his candidacy was in front of a conference on Alzheimer’s disease. And after his campaign collapsed, he identified the elderly as a crucial part of his comeback plan, making the nation’s “grotesquely underfunded” research into treating the disease a centerpiece of his fundraising speeches.

“I’m going to campaign on, how do we deal with Alzheimer’s, which really affects millions of Americans,” Gingrich told FOX News’ Neil Cavuto in June.

Seniors’ place in his campaign is perhaps the best lens for explaining some of Newt’s most perplexing early decisions, like his tendency to tack left on entitlements and right on Obama conspiracy theories. You might say, to understand Newt Gingrich you have to understand elderly anti-Obama thinking.

A lot of people were shocked in May, for example, when Gingrich came out strongly against Paul Ryan’s proposal to replace Medicare with a private voucher system, dismissing it as “right wing engineering.”

Similarly, Gingrich turned heads when he dipped into birther territory to praise the “stunning insight” behind a Dinesh D’Souza book’s absurd claim that Obama supported a laundry list of longtime Democratic priorities because of his shady foreign roots.

“What if [Obama] is so outside our comprehension, that only if you understand Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior, can you begin to piece together [his actions]?” Gingrich told the National Review in 2010. “That is the most accurate, predictive model for his behavior.”

Guess which demographic hated the proposed changes to Medicare the most, but also was most likely to open that all-caps chain e-mail about the font in Obama’s birth certificate? Hint: it’s the one surrounding Gingrich in his primetime interview with Sean Hannity last night.

His attention to older white voters, who were central the GOP’s 2010 wave, seems to be paying off. So far, Gingrich is attracting a disproportionate share of the senior vote across the board. And given that Iowa and Florida are two of the five oldest states, there’s plenty to recommend the strategy. Indeed, the most dramatic movement for Gingrich so far is in Florida, where one PPP poll showed him with a 47-17 lead over Romney.
 
I disagree. The party will change once their current blueprint becomes irrelevant. The country is becoming far too diverse for them to continue demonizing Hispanics, dog whistling on blacks, going hard right on social issues, etc. Things won't change over night, but soon we'll see a more realist, even populist GOP emerge.

The problem is that if Romney loses to Obama, the tea party/hard right will argue the GOP threw away an easy election thanks to a weak, moderate candidate. They'll want their Goldwater, but I just don't see it happening given the crop of sane-ish GOP governors ready to run in 2016 (Christie, Daniels, McDonnell, etc).

In short the party has to become more moderate, and in some ways more libertarian unless they want to deal with a shrinking electoral map thanks to Colorado, New Mexico, and possibly Nevada and Arizona.

I just can't see the current base of the party, 50/60/70 year old white people, losing the with-us-or-against-us mentality that's been carefully cultivated over the past decade. Another part of the problem is that a fiscal conservative (not libertarian) who's socially liberal fits in pretty well with the Democratic party as it exists today, so why bother fighting with the crazies?

If it happens, a Republican push towards the center will only follow a Democrat push back to the left. I think this actually hinges more on how the Congressional elections play out this year than anything.
 
Why are so many Hispanics in that poll supporting Ron Paul?

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That article is a bit confused. Solar hasn't gone bust at all . . . it has gone ballistic. US solar panel manufacturers are struggling . . . but the solar PV market is BIGGER THAN EVER. Installers, contractors, solar plant developers are extremely busy with residential, business, and industrial scale projects. Yes, cheap silicon and cheap Chinese manufacturing have hurt thin-film and US silicon makers, respectively. But to paint it as a bust is to completely misunderstand reality.

Natural gas really hasn't hurt solar much . . . it has has hurt wind more than solar.

The VCs that expected to take over energy biz were definitely naive. Silicon Valley has been a huge success since we have been getting better and better at digital electronics . . . but that is a fundamentally different thing. A bit is massless abstraction. As long as you can accurately represent a bit, you can keep making it smaller in volts, size, charge, magnetism, etc. But energy deals with the real world. A volt is a volt, a watt is a watt, and a BTU is a BTU. You can add some smarts to do things more efficiently, but it is fundamentally different than the digital electronics world.

Curious, what are some good resources to follow on solar energy?
 
Read this a while ago in December, http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/newt-gingrichs-secret-weapon-old-people.php so it might be a bit out-of-date, but I'd say it still applies.

Wow his commitment is pretty scary.

Why are so many Hispanics in that poll supporting Ron Paul?

He wants more immigrants to be allowed in the country (legally) I believe. Although I believe he opposes any kind of amnesty. Maybe there's just a lot of third generation Cuban voters in that poll?
 
Ann Coulter:


Even Ann Coulter is out against Newt. This is the first time I've seen the GOP so divided.


Wow, two plugs in one small paragraph. I am impressed.

The comment section on there is actually pretty insightful on how some Republicans view their choice.
 
Bankruptcy doesn't necessarily mean liquidation, and job loss isn't always a bad thing for the economy, when it's getting rid of inefficiency and clearing space for other better-run companies to take a shot.

Plus, if jobs were such a big issue, wouldn't something like the keystone pipeline and its 120k projected jobs be more of a priority?

An independent study not funded by TransCanada estimated that between 500 and 1400 temporary construction jobs would be created with a negative economic impact in the long term due to rising gas prices and environmental costs.
 
Bankruptcy doesn't necessarily mean liquidation, and job loss isn't always a bad thing for the economy, when it's getting rid of inefficiency and clearing space for other better-run companies to take a shot.

Plus, if jobs were such a big issue, wouldn't something like the keystone pipeline and its 120k projected jobs b e more of a priority? Or is placating the environmental lobby with 3+ years of red tape and a (temporary?) rejection so that they'll break out the checkbooks for Obama '12 even more important? After all, there'll be more damage to the environment when Canada builds a different pipeline and ships the oil elsewhere in tankers, but that doesn't matter because it won't be happening in our backyard. And we'd rather get our oil from the Saudis anyway because they're the best.

HAHAHAHAHAH WTF?

Also, Canadian-US pipelines are already well under capacity.
 
Why would Romney be worse than Gingrich when it comes to old voters? I thought the reason McCain got the senior vote was because he himself was old.

because old voters are the ones that buy into the "obamacare is a socialist plot to pull the plug on grandma" narrative. All gingrich has to do is constantly compare the affordable care act with the MA healthcare mandate to trick older florida citizens into thinking that Romney already tried to pull the plug on grandma.
 
The truth about the south is much of them want anyone but the mormon. Its rather ironic too considering how much of a piece of shit Newt is. There is no way anyone with half a brain could even begin to think Newt was a good christian or anything of the sort but they would rather have that than a mormon.
 
“What if [Obama] is so outside our comprehension, that only if you understand Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior, can you begin to piece together [his actions]?” Gingrich told the National Review in 2010. “That is the most accurate, predictive model for his behavior.”

Wow. I thought I could not be shocked anymore with how much ultra right live in their own fantasy land. In fact, I would feel bad even attributing this insane logic to anyone but Newt himself.

Yeah, I mean who but an anti-colonialist Kenyan could support... Uh... What could this even be talking about. It hurts my head just trying to make sense of this statement.
 
I'm sorry, Newt has less than a 0% chance of being elected unless the Eurozone collapses. He is THAT unelectable. Everyone knows this. Dems know this. Republicans know this. Every poll and operative and pundit knows this. There's probably not a single dissenting voice from people in the know about this fact on Earth. Unlike what Open Source is implying, this is absolutely nothing like the Hillary v. Obama race. Both those candidates were immensely liked by their bases, and had huge enthusiasm. There is no enthusiasm for Newt whatsoever. His ufavorability ratings are so high they're shocking.

This is what is called a Republican Apocalyptic scenario: a candidate so bad that he wouldn't just lose the presidency, he'd destroy Repub down ticket races. It's plausible he'd lose 41 states or more.

If you consider yourself a Republican Bulbo, and I'm sure you do, pray right now.

Don´t you think that Republicans will fall in line behind him? I see him as a bigger threat to Obama´s reelection than Romney to be honest.
 
Ann Coulter:

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/22/c...-and-keep-the-bath-water-video/#ixzz1kFctM76o

Even Ann Coulter is out against Newt. This is the first time I've seen the GOP so divided.

Coulter's a weird wingnut. She hated McCain, even to the point of saying that she's vote for Hillary instead, and was one of the far right nimrods who insisted that they only lost the election cause they didn't nominate a "real" conservative. Yet here she is supporting Mitt the Massachusetts moderate Mormon. Wtf?
 
Curious, what are some good resources to follow on solar energy?

I'm often looking directly at prices of components (I watched panel prices there go from $2.50+ down to half that) since I keep talking about (but don't get around to doing) a solar project.

But Joe Romm's Climate Progress is pretty good. In fact they completely tore the silly wired article apart:
Wired Pulls a Charlie Sheen on Clean Energy: Experts Easily Debunk Absurd Hit-Job on Solar and Wind Power
 
Don´t you think that Republicans will fall in line behind him? I see him as a bigger threat to Obama´s reelection than Romney to be honest.

In the end it always falls to the independents, not the base.

Actually, the best thing about Gingrich is how much him being a nominee fires up the Democratic base as well as some of the independents who voted for Obama back then.
 
Wow. I thought I could not be shocked anymore with how much ultra right live I. Their own fantasy land.

Yeah, I mean who but an anti-colonialist Kenyan could support... Uh... What could this even be talking about. It hurts my head just trying to make sense of this statement.

To be fair, one of the first things Obama did after he got sworn in was send back a bust of Winston Churchill to Britain. The British government had given that statue as a gift to George Bush after 9/11 where it was displayed in the White House and so they were really pissed off at the gesture of Obama denying such a gift.

The reason Obama didn't like it was precisely because Winston Churchill was a piece of shit who exemplified the colonial attitude of Britain back then. It was during Churchill's second term that the British government suppressed the rebellion in Kenya and Obama's own grandfather was among those tortured by the colonial puppet regime.

So yeah, I think Obama definitely has a righteous dislike of western colonial activities. Saying that that opinion gives a predictive, accurate model of his behavior is still insane though.
 
Don´t you think that Republicans will fall in line behind him? I see him as a bigger threat to Obama´s reelection than Romney to be honest.

And independents? His favorability ratings are inline with Palin. Southern conservatives want a candidate to insult Obama in a debate. They believe this act alone will make him electable. It's just willful ignorance mixed with a small touch of old school racism.
 
I wonder if Romney's hard, hard right stance on immigration will screw him over with the hispanics in Florida. He saw all the heat Perry was getting for his surprisingly humane treatment of illegals and decided to go full retard on the issue to garner some tea party votes, almost like he wanted to prove himself not a "moderate" republican.

He was warned by that strategy but didn't heed. I hope he gets fucked over for it.
 
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