Newt lost because it was kind of a tie between all four and Newt is able to keep momentum going and wash off attacks only if he puts in strong debate performances where he clearly outshines the rest of them. Romney has the organization, endorsements, and ads necessary to keep going but he is a lousy candidate in terms of what Republicans want. Romney will probably win Florida but the race keeps going. There is a lot that can happen, especially if Santorum drops out. I feel this will be a battle right up to the final delegate.
PoliGAF Jan 26 Debate/Florida Primary Topic
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Seriously, I can attest to this, where has winter been?? I'm in Atlanta and we have been having the mildest winter ever. It's been so unnaturally warm it's almost frightening.
Romney will talk about Obamacare because that's what the Tea Party wants to hear about. Except the moment he talks about it, SuperPACs will run ads about Romneycare and how he's a secret liberal, to discourage voter turn out for Romney.
Sye d'Burns
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Newt has had two debate performances in a row that do not speak highly to the claim that he is the one to debate Obama. In the first Florida debate he tried to look above the fray and Romney's throwing the kitchen sink at him, while Romney didn't shine, did take a bit of luster off The Debater.
In this second debate, I really thought The Chosen One said it well:
John King trying to grow his balls back after getting them cauterized by Newt. The interview speaks for itself, though.
I voted for Obama last election and out of curiosity I watched the last few republican debates. I don't know who I'm going to vote for but its good to stay informed. If anything, I consider myself more of a Independent than a democrat after these debates. It was nice hearing republican side of thought. Sad though that we seem to be so divided. I live in New York and things are pretty liberal here, at least in my environment.
Gingrich keeps on with this 'anti-religion" mentality and I honestly don't see it. Is it because some states are passing abortion laws and gay marriage? Either way, I just don't like how he expresses himself on the "issue". I feel as if he's playing the victim role or trying to sneak in some "cheap" votes. Right now, I wouldn't vote for him.
Mitt, I can't seem to relate to him for some reason. He just doesn't seem real to me and rubs me off the wrong way. Just another guy in a suit you know?
Santorum got to me emotionally out of all the guys. His story regarding his child hit a soft spot. Besides that though, I don't agree with his foreign policy. He seems pretty hands on and thats something we don't need. All this talk about Iran, call me naive, I just see a dog with no bark. Leave them alone and lets get on with our lives. Plus, he seems to be pretty attached to his faith to the point where it will affect his presidential decisions. I like to think I'm a person of faith as well (Christian), but I don't need a president like that and we are a country of many faiths.
With Paul, I found my self nodding most of the time when he talked. I would be nice not to be so involved in foreign affairs when we have problems here. I know Santorum said that its that very mentality that allowed us to be attacked during WW2. I took high school history many years ago but weren't we selling weapons at the time despite the fact that we say we were neutral? Plus foreign aid can best used here. Give when you can give, not when you can't. I agree with some of his budget cuts, especially some of the wasteful aspects of our "military" spending. You can't honestly tell me that literally every dollar is being put to good use. It just isn't.
I guess thats my two cents, an undecided voter.
Gingrich keeps on with this 'anti-religion" mentality and I honestly don't see it. Is it because some states are passing abortion laws and gay marriage? Either way, I just don't like how he expresses himself on the "issue". I feel as if he's playing the victim role or trying to sneak in some "cheap" votes. Right now, I wouldn't vote for him.
Mitt, I can't seem to relate to him for some reason. He just doesn't seem real to me and rubs me off the wrong way. Just another guy in a suit you know?
Santorum got to me emotionally out of all the guys. His story regarding his child hit a soft spot. Besides that though, I don't agree with his foreign policy. He seems pretty hands on and thats something we don't need. All this talk about Iran, call me naive, I just see a dog with no bark. Leave them alone and lets get on with our lives. Plus, he seems to be pretty attached to his faith to the point where it will affect his presidential decisions. I like to think I'm a person of faith as well (Christian), but I don't need a president like that and we are a country of many faiths.
With Paul, I found my self nodding most of the time when he talked. I would be nice not to be so involved in foreign affairs when we have problems here. I know Santorum said that its that very mentality that allowed us to be attacked during WW2. I took high school history many years ago but weren't we selling weapons at the time despite the fact that we say we were neutral? Plus foreign aid can best used here. Give when you can give, not when you can't. I agree with some of his budget cuts, especially some of the wasteful aspects of our "military" spending. You can't honestly tell me that literally every dollar is being put to good use. It just isn't.
I guess thats my two cents, an undecided voter.
BruceLeeRoy
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Does anyone on the planet support Santorum? Poor dude looks lost out there.
Sye d'Burns
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He obviously frequents NeoGAF.
While I don't support Santorum, he blasted a whole clean through Romney on the Romneycare tonight
It wasn't so much Wolf as it was Wolf and Romney in tandem. Gingrich had the crowd when he called BS question. Wolf looked a little weak. Gingrich pounced, said can't we call a truce and get down to real issues. Wolf said "you said this, it is an issue" and then Romney jumped in with something to the effect of, "Wouldn't it be nice if people would be willing to repeat on stage what they say on the trail." The crowd went full Romney at that.
Seemed a little disingenuous considering the man couldn't remember his personally approved message earlier but it was definitely effective.
speculawyer
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A bunch of anti-gay, anti-abortion, and anti-birth control zealots. But that is about it.
Al-ibn Kermit
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If you don't want Romney, then he's the only Republican candidate with no huge skeletons in his closet.
Plus he's probably the default candidate for all the evangelicals.
BruceLeeRoy
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I haven't followed him at all but I have to say its pretty entertaining watching the kind of "What the f#$* is he going to say now?" looks he is getting from the other 3 candidates anytime he is speaking.
Yea its pretty harsh here at times lol.
Except Romney is barely different from Obama on the issues. Obama even based his health care plan on Romney's!
Evangelicals are iffy on Romney because he's a Mormon who believes God gave Joe Smith golden tablets with hieroglyphs that formed the basis of the Book of Mormon that includes multiple levels of heaven and being able to become a god yourself if you get to the highest level.
Sye d'Burns
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I'm not buying that. I think it's as simple as evangelicals think Romney is a mush on pro-life compared to the other two and even Paul.
Well Romney is weakly pro-life compared to the other candidates. He let his health plan cover abortion.
People are free to believe what they want, however there are a few lines that should not be crossed, and politicians from the right have been doing their damnedest to cross every one of them.
Creationism is not a science and does not belong in science classes
Do not revise history, the founding fathers were not Christian, and the US law is not designed around Christian values.
Equal rights should be granted to everyone, that includes homosexuals
Not all situations are equal, prochoice leaves moral decisions to mothers where it belongs
Atheists are not at war with religion, we simply want to continue secular reasoning which is what the country was founded on
It would be nice if atheists weren't more hated than rapists and had a chance at an elected position
That's all.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
He's basically a moderate, and that shit just ain't gonna fly with the GOP of today. Especially not when they're gunning for the incumbent president as hard as Republicans are. It's the only reason Newt appeals to anyone; as someone pointed out before he's getting next to no support from other politicians or those who worked with him. But he's perceived as the guy who will slap Obama around in a debate and to many GOP voters that's important.
Your hyperbolic description makes mormonism sound retarded. But if you read the Old Testament, some of it would sound just as bizarre. So the only fair conclusion is that they are both very true.
Having a small moment aren't you?
Blame the GOP.
You got meltdown from a clear, ordered list? Maybe you're having a moment.
It clearly had nothing to do with what I said. I commented on someone's response regarding the forum and I agreed. He goes on and gives me a list of the issues of the GOP. Both topics aren't very close. It wasn't needed.
Sye d'Burns
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Kind of. I can't remember the exact wording, but I took it to mean that he wanted to beat them there in the present. I can't remember what he said, but it was worded badly.
Sye d'Burns
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He sort of just admitted to it.
I think it was a well laid out moment at any rate. Would that all moments were so lucidly ordered. Kudos to you, ivedoneyourmom
I only wish they were this open with every one who's not rich, white, Christian male.
Though in fairness, that dude was a dumbass anyhow if you have no idea that the party you joined openly despises you.
I guess it could be called a moment if one wanted to call it such. I try to remain calm and rational whenever I can.
The bigger topic was this "war on religion" or whatever people want to call it. I believe some gaf members go overboard in the theist vs. atheist threads, sometimes this includes myself, however the problem really comes down to the points I listed both with the GOP and the average american voter, and I believe that is why some gaf members and other vocal atheists can be as you say "harsh". Few want to take your faith away from you, most simply want to keep the distinction between religion and government that we currently have, or had in the recent past at least and promote rational thought and education.
I'm sorry I chose to quote your post specifically, it was not my intent to direct my message towards you, I was just contributing the the greater narrative.
tl;dr The reason many gaf atheists are big meanie heads is because they get blamed for the "war on religion" when all they want is for the world to be a better place.
AlteredBeast
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Just got done watching the debate and I gotta say that romney looked pretty good overall. Newt is definitely weakened, and I gotta say, Santorum actually sounded pretty reasonable at most times.
The crowd definitely had a Mitt slant, though. They hung on his every word.
The crowd definitely had a Mitt slant, though. They hung on his every word.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Now I wish I had watched.
jamesinclair
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One way to tell that the world (or at least this country) is warming is to take a look at the map the USDA puts on the back of seed packets, which shows that winter temperatures have risen pretty much everywhere in the U.S. The Department of Agriculture released an update to the 1990 version of its "Plant Hardiness Zone Map," which classifies the U.S. into 26 different temperature zones based "average annual minimum winter temperature" so plant growers can decide what sort of seeds will germinate and thrive where they live. The 1990 version is based on data collected from 1974 to 1986, while the new one's based off of a broad timespan of 1976 to 2005. The new map reveals much milder winters than in the past.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/01/americas-gardens-are-warmer-2012/47926/1990 vs 2012
Look at Ohio!
One way to tell that the world (or at least this country) is warming is to take a look at the map the USDA puts on the back of seed packets, which shows that winter temperatures have risen pretty much everywhere in the U.S. The Department of Agriculture released an update to the 1990 version of its "Plant Hardiness Zone Map," which classifies the U.S. into 26 different temperature zones based "average annual minimum winter temperature" so plant growers can decide what sort of seeds will germinate and thrive where they live. The 1990 version is based on data collected from 1974 to 1986, while the new one's based off of a broad timespan of 1976 to 2005. The new map reveals much milder winters than in the past.http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/01/americas-gardens-are-warmer-2012/47926/
1990 vs 2012
Look at Ohio!
And if you
Let's face it. Believing in the global warming hoax is not very cool. You want to be cool don't you?
EDIT: Global Warming: It's not cool! would be a good slogan :lol
Hell, since people are already talking about global warming:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#46154554
Ron Christie being a GW denier isn't that surprising, but he also doesn't believe in evolution. This man teaches at HARVARD for god's sake!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#46154554
Ron Christie being a GW denier isn't that surprising, but he also doesn't believe in evolution. This man teaches at HARVARD for god's sake!
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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WTF
Narpas Sword0
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I know an afghani Muslim republican
WTF is wrong with that person? Republicans can't stop fear mongering about Muslims and Arabs.
gutter_trash
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can't Rick just drop out?
Ron Paul gave the best answer when it came time to talk about relations with Central and South American countries
Rick Santorum still in the Cold War mentality just embarrassed himself, please drop out Rick and let Newt win
Ron Paul gave the best answer when it came time to talk about relations with Central and South American countries
Rick Santorum still in the Cold War mentality just embarrassed himself, please drop out Rick and let Newt win
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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le luh lemme.. uh...I have a bracelet too. From......uhhhh uhhhhh......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r_jTgGeVU4&feature=related
Damn. How shallow and how embarassing.
I remember during the elections in 2008 when the OBAMA IS A MUSLIN smear attack was in full swing, some Muslim Republicans confronted some of these people at John McCain rally.
To me as a Muslim it is the oddest thing in the world to find out there are Muslim Republicans. Conservatively social and fiscal responsibility I can understand and respect even if I don't agree with it. Those values can even be common among the religions and could be argued for but when a party openly shits on you as a people, denies the existence of Palestine, is always ready to bomb your countries into oblivion while always hungry to take the resources, and continues to equate Muslims with dark colored terrorists how can you support the party at all?
Not one candidate has distinguished themselves over the stupidity. Even if I agree with a point or two with any of the republican candidates I can never respect them with their constant fear mongering of Muslims.
There was some article detailing the McCain campaign that highlighted that he only decided to stop some of the attacks against Muslims from his own rallies when some prominent rich American Muslims who are Republican and donate millions to the party stood up and spoke out against McCain.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Some good points but I'd like to see some examples of Romney (you can include Ron Paul, Jon Huntsman, etc, also) attacking Muslims and equating them with terrorists. Otherwise you are just smearing the entire Republican party.
http://www.crescentpost.com/2011/12/newspaper-mitt-romney-says-muslims-are-peace-loving-people/
Dude Abides
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In any event it's not like the Dems are substantively much better on the Israel/Palestinian issue, so other stuff could make him favor the GOP. Maybe he doesn't like gays and doesn't like unions, and that outweighs the GOP's ball-licking of Israel for him.
planar1280
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Obama in the debates was still a novice in politics. After dealing with the worst in politics in the last 4 years he is going to destroy any Republican nominee that comes at it because he is very prepared for all kinds of shit that could hit the fan.
Salvor.Hardin
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The real edge Obama is going to have over Romney is a deep structural understanding of government and the policy process. He'll be able to offer very precise and realistic rejoinders which could potentially leave Romney seeming more lost than ever. I do expect Mittens to brush up on his economic facts, but the problem of debating an eloquent incumbent is that he has 4 years of experience to shoot back with, and if you're on the receiving end and haven't been in congress, you're shit out of luck.
planar1280
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1. Romney can't debate Obama on healthcare
2. Obama will use the populist tone on Romney on Taxes
3. Obama will eat up all of Romney's Hispanic votes when it comes to immigration
4. Romney does not have a leg to stand on Foreign politics
If debates will reflect people's voting habits, Obama will have this in the bag provided the unemployment rate stays below 8.5
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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But debate is also a skill and Obama is out of practice. Also, he tends to lose his tongue a lot when asked questions. It's not his strong point.
planar1280
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