Watching a homophobe kill his career on facebook

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That'd only work if being gay is some kind of a binary switch where instead of 0, the switch is turned to 1. But it's not like that. There are many permutations of sexual attractions these days that I'd say that being gay is not simply the opposite of being straight. I believe the scale that Kinsey used for sexual attraction was more accurate in representing the diverse range of human emotion. So while there are those who are exclusively straight and those who are exclusively gay, the rest of us fall in between in terms of our attraction to the opposite and same sex. Thanks to restriction and shame placed by society at large, however, many are not willing to admit even to themselves, of how much they are attracted to the same sex.
It's a difficult thing to determine not just because of things hindering the honesty of self-reports, but also defining what attraction even is, and I don't mean just defining the word, but all the factors involved in being attracted to whatever type of person like biology, social influences, curiosity, personality dynamics, personal history with each gender, etc. And even then, some things like the misattribution of arousal paradigm open up worlds of possible states of confusion and the issue of distinguishing temporary states from permanent nature, assuming it's even permanent in the first place.

I think we can all agree that the first thing that has to go is all the hangups we have about being honest and able to discuss these things. How can we figure something out if we can't even talk about it?
 
The people in the comments below seem like assholes as well. Kind of funny to see their names being crossed out to hide their identity.
 
Why is anybody talking about whether something is an "error in nature" or not? Even if you could demonstrate that homosexuality is "unnatural" or whatever, that still doesn't mean it's "bad", "wrong" or something that ought to be prevented. To argue the opposite is fallacious, a mere appeal to nature.

But even the notion that you could do this is laughable, since something being a "mistake" implies that "nature" created us purposefully, e.g. with intent, rather than us being just a product of slow adaptive changes via natural selection. Homosexuality can no-more be an error than any other variation in human phenotype. We have philosophical ideals that we as a society strive towards, but these are not themselves derivations of Darwinian principles, e.g. "homosexuals are bad because they won't pass on their genes!" This is not to say that we view all genetic variation as valid; we attempt to cure many things we call diseases or disorders, but the way we decide what is within the acceptable range of variation is NOT by imagining what "mother nature" (a nonsensical notion to begin with) might want.

Being homosexual is not bad, but I do think it is wrong because it certainly isnt right. This is looking at it from a simple stand point of reproduction.

And before anyone gets pissy at me I have nothing against homosexuals.I have them in my family and love them just as much as my other family members. Sad that I have to put this comment but I feel as people will get butt hurt for my opinion.
 
Serious question: If he had Roman Polanski's film making skills, would you pay to watch his movies?

Sure. No point in denying myself a great movie just because one of people involved is dumb. Heck, if I wanted to do such boycott I would have to stop watching movies at all, as I'm sure there are people with even worse opinions involved in production of all movies, they just aren't dumb enough to post them on their social network.
 
Not sure why that would kill his career in and of itself. However, the first responder seems to know a bit more about his character.
 
Being homosexual is not bad, but I do think it is wrong because it certainly isnt right. This is looking at it from a simple stand point of reproduction.

Good / Right and Bad / Wrong are synonyms (at least, in the way you're using them). You need to clarify your position.

Let us suppose that you want to know what is "right" from the "stand point of reproduction". Is the moral good from this perspective whatever maximizes your reproductive success, therefore making homosexuality "wrong"? Does the reproductive success of your family factor into this anywhere? For example, if a homosexual man helps raise and support the children of his brothers and sisters, thereby maximizing the success of his own genes (since they share them), is this also a good, or is it bad because he himself is not reproducing?

Historically, many homosexuals have reproduced for various reasons, and many will continue to do so in the future, especially when one considers medical advances. If homosexuals reproduce frequently via artificial means, does this make homosexuality "right", or is it still "wrong", despite them being perfectly capable of reproductive success?

More generally, why should "the standpoint of reproduction" have any bearing on our morality? For example, enhancing your reproductive success may come at the cost of somebody else's fortune, happiness or even their life. I think you would agree that, for instance, knocking up as many women as you can for reproductive purposes is not a moral good.
 
Being homosexual is not bad, but I do think it is wrong because it certainly isnt right. This is looking at it from a simple stand point of reproduction.

And before anyone gets pissy at me I have nothing against homosexuals.I have them in my family and love them just as much as my other family members. Sad that I have to put this comment but I feel as people will get butt hurt for my opinion.
The reproduction argument has been thoroughly refuted. It's basically just a way for homophobes to clear their throats before they say something bigoted, like how racists say "I'm not a racist, but..." or "I have lots of black friends" before they complain about colored people.

If you're going to condemn homosexuality as "wrong" because gay people can't reproduce, you also have to condemn oldness as "wrong," people who were born sterile as "wrong," people who get their tubes tied as "wrong," and so on. No thinking person is persuaded by this nonsense.
 
If you're going to condemn homosexuality as "wrong" because gay people can't reproduce, you also have to condemn oldness as "wrong," people who were born sterile as "wrong," people who get their tubes tied as "wrong," and so on. No thinking person is persuaded by this nonsense.

It also means that anybody who is celibate is "wrong" as well.
 
Being homosexual is not bad, but I do think it is wrong because it certainly isnt right. This is looking at it from a simple stand point of reproduction.

And before anyone gets pissy at me I have nothing against homosexuals.I have them in my family and love them just as much as my other family members. Sad that I have to put this comment but I feel as people will get butt hurt for my opinion.
Is it wrong that I fuck the opposite sex for enjoyment instead of reproduction?

Is it wrong to get a blow job?
 
Being homosexual is not bad, but I do think it is wrong because it certainly isnt right. This is looking at it from a simple stand point of reproduction.

So celibate people are wrong? Couples who chose not to have kids are wrong? Infertile people are wrong?
 
Is it wrong that I fuck the opposite sex for enjoyment instead of reproduction?

Is it wrong to get a blow job?
If you've ever masturbated you're basically as bad as Hitler. Worse, actually, because he didn't personally snuff out so many lives.

It also means that anybody who is celibate is "wrong" as well.
So I guess we should all be promiscuous. Oh wait, promiscuity is supposed to be wrong too. I'm so confused!
 
If you've ever masturbated you're basically as bad as Hitler. Worse, actually, because he didn't personally snuff out so many lives.
I know that I have committed the worst act of humanity. Whenever I jerk off I can feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
 
I read that multiple times, and it doesn't seem that offensive.... He acknowledges that they are not bad people, just that in his belief that they are committing a sin to his God, which they are. The guy doesn't even condemn them to hell or anything.

Come to Alabama and you will hear here way worse about homosexuals than this. People down here want to kill homosexuals and destroy them. Yep, the God loving people of the South. Lol.
 
Whenever I jerk off I can feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
For me it's more like thousands of voices saying "Let's do this!" suddenly thrown into a search of futility and confusion then slowly fading away.
 
I read that multiple times, and it doesn't seem that offensive.... He acknowledges that they are not bad people, just that in his belief that they are committing a sin to his God, which they are. The guy doesn't even condemn them to hell or anything.

Come to Alabama and you will hear here way worse about homosexuals than this. People down here want to kill homosexuals and destroy them. Yep, the God loving people of the South. Lol.
Replace homosexuality with "being Mexican" or "being a woman" and see how it sounds.
 
Humans aren't comparable to whiptails though, what's good for one species may be considered an error for another.

Whiptails just mate I guess out of instincts they haven't evolved out of. They still end up making babies without transferring genetic information during intercourse. However, obviously that is a requirement for human reproduction.

That's why I like the theory that if a person makes a few heterosexual children and one homosexual child, that the likelihood of the heterosexual children being able to successfully reproduce increases. The theory goes that since humans like other mammals have an instinct to share and take care of their immediate family before anyone else, that that would make homosexual siblings not compete with their heterosexual siblings for mates, and at the same time if they get extra food or see some predator threatening their hetero siblings, they'll try to help them out.

As a result, having (arbitrary numbers) 1 homesexual child and 4 heterosexual child may have a higher chance of extending your family line then just having 5 heterosexual children.

One thing you have to consider is that if there is a genetic basis for homosexuality, then it is the heterosexuals who are propagating these genes.

If you have a homosexual kid, two heterosexual daughters and two heterosexual sons, then the homosexual kid will be competing with two of his sisters if he is a boy, or two of her brothers if she is a girl.

Of course, any mate found by the homosexual sibling would be homosexual themselves, and therefore would never have been a consideration to any heterosexual brother or sister.
 
Replace homosexuality with "being Mexican" or "being a woman" and see how it sounds.
Then it would make no sense in relation to his religious beliefs whatsoever. I really do not understand what the fuss is about this. This man I assume is a Christian. It plainly states in the Bible that Homosexuality is an abomination and a sin. Instead of lashing out at homosexuals and judging them, he acknowledges them as sinners and wishes God's love upon them. No where does he say he wouldn't befriend a homosexual, hire a homosexual, or do anything to discriminate against a homosexual. Just the simple fact that in his belief system, he believes that homosexuals are sinning against his God and that he wishes for them to know his God's love.

I think he is practicing tolerance much better then 90% of Christians that I meet, and he is being bashed for it. "I don't agree with you, but I still love you regardless."
 
So celibate people are wrong? Couples who chose not to have kids are wrong? Infertile people are wrong?

Infertile people are wrong. The human body is designed to reproduce, and if one isnt capable of that I would consider that a flaw.

Honestly I have no idea what makes people homosexual. I could very well be wrong and I have no problem admitting that. If you look at it from when our species first began, if the men were not attracted to women and vice versa we would not be here today. There certainly is a reason why we have two sets of gentalia.

I guess this is just a difference of opinions. No matter what I say can be picked apart, and I can disagree with what you say and pick it apart. Perhaps wrong was poor word choice.
 
Then it would make no sense in relation to his religious beliefs whatsoever. I really do not understand what the fuss is about this. This man I assume is a Christian. It plainly states in the Bible that Homosexuality is an abomination and a sin. Instead of lashing out at homosexuals and judging them, he acknowledges them as sinners and wishes God's love upon them. No where does he say he wouldn't befriend a homosexual, hire a homosexual, or do anything to discriminate against a homosexual. Just the simple fact that in his belief system, he believes that homosexuals are sinning against his God and that he wishes for them to know his God's love.

I think he is practicing tolerance much better then 90% of Christians that I meet, and he is being bashed for it. "I don't agree with you, but I still love you regardless."

whilst I don't have any issue with the guy per se, he seems truly obnoxious from the information provided.
 
So celibate people are wrong? Couples who chose not to have kids are wrong? Infertile people are wrong?
Refuting opinion is a worthless venture because the debate devolves into stuff like this. One can easily say that they at least have a shot at reproduction which in turn generates another salvo of pointless analogies. As an aside, sterility isn't an action so they haven't DONE anything wrong even though something is indeed wrong with them.

What's wrong with just saying "You're a poopoo head for thinking homosexuality is wrong"? It has just as much weight in debate. Reality is that people have moral issues with homosexuality and it ain't going away. That legitimate moral issue, which only affects you if your feelings are hurt easily or if you want to join with that whacky moral agenda, is secularly irrelevant issue. This is outrage over a...Facebook post.
If you've ever masturbated you're basically as bad as Hitler. Worse, actually, because he didn't personally snuff out so many lives.
Hmm, I have met very few who claim sperm is life outside of atheists, but it keeps coming up as some kind of weird point to prove. The links to "proof" should be fun.
 
Then it would make no sense in relation to his religious beliefs whatsoever. I really do not understand what the fuss is about this. This man I assume is a Christian. It plainly states in the Bible that Homosexuality is an abomination and a sin. Instead of lashing out at homosexuals and judging them, he acknowledges them as sinners and wishes God's love upon them. No where does he say he wouldn't befriend a homosexual, hire a homosexual, or do anything to discriminate against a homosexual. Just the simple fact that in his belief system, he believes that homosexuals are sinning against his God and that he wishes for them to know his God's love.

I think he is practicing tolerance much better then 90% of Christians that I meet, and he is being bashed for it. "I don't agree with you, but I still love you regardless."
90%? Are you sure you're recognizing Christians every time you see them?

Anyway, what you said seems out of context to the situation. Nobody asked him what his views on homosexuality were. He posted this of his own accord to publicly go "YOU ARE WRONG" and actively censor any response that disagrees. That's not nearly as passive as you are characterizing.
 
Did he post some more comments? Because the one in the OP doesn't sound particularely hateful to me just ignorant and stupid. What he has coming in his direction is hateful tho so if ther's bigotry in this story it doesn't go in one direction only. It's like some shit 4chan would do to destroy his career over a stupid comment.
 
Refuting opinion is a worthless venture because the debate devolves into stuff like this. One can easily say that they at least have a shot at reproduction which in turn generates another salvo of pointless analogies. As an aside, sterility isn't an action so they haven't DONE anything wrong even though something is indeed wrong with them.

What's wrong with just saying "You're a poopoo head for thinking homosexuality is wrong"? It has just as much weight in debate. Reality is that people have moral issues with homosexuality and it ain't going away. That legitimate moral issue, which only affects you if your feelings are hurt easily or if you want to join with that whacky moral agenda, is secularly irrelevant issue. This is outrage over a...Facebook post.Hmm, I have met very few who claim sperm is life outside of atheists, but it keeps coming up as some kind of weird point to prove. The links to "proof" should be fun.

I was responding to the issue of those that don't reproduce being wrong. That is all. You read way too much into it.

Infertile people are wrong. The human body is designed to reproduce, and if one isnt capable of that I would consider that a flaw.

The human body has evolved to do lots of things. A person can create works that last for a thousand years even if they don't reproduce.
 
90%? Are you sure you're recognizing Christians every time you see them?

Anyway, what you said seems out of context to the situation. Nobody asked him what his views on homosexuality were. He posted this of his own accord to publicly go "YOU ARE WRONG" and actively censor any response that disagrees. That's not nearly as passive as you are characterizing.
Oh I'm not arguing that the way he presents himself isn't disgusting, but I don't understand the hatred for his beliefs per se.
 
Did he post some more comments? Because the one in the OP doesn't sound particularely hateful to me just ignorant and stupid. What he has coming in his direction is hateful tho so if ther's bigotry in this story it doesn't go in one direction only. It's like some shit 4chan would do to destroy his career over a stupid comment.
The first post seems to indicate they know the guy, so he may be softening a pretty hardcore stance on the matter. Otherwise, i agree, there's nothing out of the ordinary about the post unless people think a person saying homosexuality is a sin is unusual which apparently...
nastynate409 said:
I think he is practicing tolerance much better then 90% of Christians that I meet, and he is being bashed for it. "I don't agree with you, but I still love you regardless."
...is not the case.
I was responding to the issue of those that don't reproduce being wrong. That is all. You read way too much into it.
I admittedly was ranting over more than your post. Sorry.
 
A lot of people still get hung up on homosexuality because they take an overly reductionist perspective. "Mans don't have pipes to make babies so mans weren't meant to go together, so that is illogical. BZZ. INCORRECT BEHAVIOR."


First, putting aside the fact that being gay is not actually a choice to behave "illogically" (and thus by the naturalistic argument, being gay is not an "error" because, well, it's natural), that kind of reductionist thinking leads down a hall of mirrors. One could start arguing "but humans should not be in aircraft, they did not evolve for the function of flying."

Second, as others have brought up such examples, reductionist naturalism can't cope with people who mate but don't have offspring on purpose, people who remain celibate, etc.

In point of fact, there ARE those who believe that it is "wrong" for people to not all pair up and have children. There are those who do say it's wrong for married couples to remain childless.

In those cases, they are a small minority so you don't hear that argument breaking out into huge fights in culture. Most people can see that human behavior cannot be reduced to that level, so they take for granted that there are celibate people, childless families, etc.

I think there may be a connection there however.For instance; people who argue that childlessness is "wrong" even immoral, tend to be too concerned with how others live their life, and disturbed, unsettled, by the fact that another couple is not behaving in a normative fashion. People are insecure things. Sadly, when many see someone behaving in a way that is not, to them, normative, their first reaction is not to wonder "what new behavior am I unaware of" but to think "something is WRONG with them, nobody who behaves correctly would do that." (This in itself seems as if it can be a matter of education. It is possible for someone to learn that they cannot judge other behaviors that easily, and this is part of being open minded.)

In the case of The Gay, it is highly non-normative behavior in cultures that suffer from a lot of homophobia and censoring of the topic. Therefore, it is bound to unsettle or confuse people to a great degree and trigger the impulse to explain it away as somehow wrong. It's true that this doesn't necessarily mean each individual who is confounded by The Gay will transform their confusion into hatred. It's just that it's easy to happen with the human animal.

Someone asked early in the thread about the "phobic" part of homophobia, since so many people seem to just outright hate gay people. But that's how it works. The hatred is generally a mechanism to cover up fear and insecurity. Homosexuality threatens the social foundations of people who are insecure about those foundations. Look at how common it is for an extroverted, extremely hateful homophobe to be outed as gay himself. Classic projection of personal confusion and insecurity onto other people / another group.
 
Homophobes are gay. Why else would they be so upset that there's less competition for pussy?
Since it's about reproduction, they are scared that their kids will be gay and end the bloodline. EDIT:
Better put I was sorta kidding
 
Only on page 2 and I see that Hitler has been brought up.

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Oh I'm not arguing that the way he presents himself isn't disgusting, but I don't understand the hatred for his beliefs per se.
The first post seems to indicate they know the guy, so he may be softening a pretty hardcore stance on the matter. Otherwise, i agree, there's nothing out of the ordinary about the post unless people think a person saying homosexuality is a sin is unusual which apparently...
...is not the case.
From what I have seen on GAF, most people here take a stance that eliminates cognitive dissonance from professions of belief and then pretends it never existed in the first place.

Like if someone makes the statement: "I have love for gay people, but I believe practicing homosexuality is wrong."

That statement only works from a perspective of there being a distinction between one's "true" self and how they think and feel and live. Christians are used to this because they have accepted a "true self" identity that is without sin or sinful desire. It's their final goal to, upon death, attain freedom from anything in conflict with that identity, so they have major problems with themselves whenever they desire something sinful. They extend this perspective to other people who in their eyes desire sinful things.

A humanist has no such view. To them, the only self is the self which physically exists. In such a case, the comparison of homosexuality to left-handedness is incredibly accurate. You can't say "I love you, I just hate left-hand dominance" because you are rejecting the very nature of that person. You cannot reject the nature without also rejecting the person. This is what makes it "hateful" because that rejection is what it boils down to whether you name it for the specific trait or the person as a whole.

Now, as I said, I think a lot of people on GAF tend to do all this in their head and post without explaining that. It comes off as being incredibly ignorant of the differences of worldview in play. It also ends up being confusing for many people who don't realize this intellectual process because they associate the word "hate" with extreme negative emotions for a person as a whole, which the person who makes such a statement is not demonstrating.

I am a strong advocate of putting away all these bullshit games of conveniently ignoring the nature of worldviews to push the results of adopting your own. Transparency and deconstruction of beliefs is annoyingly complicated and long as a process, but it's the only way that people are going to end up reconciling to a single conclusion. This "shun the idiot" method is only reacting with the exact same tactics that hurt homosexuals in the first place, so how can it be thought of as a higher rationality, even if the positions it stands for are correct?

Let's all grow up, please.
 
Those guys commenting on him come over as a bunch of assholes to be honest.
They give me the impression that they're in mostly for the thrill of thought-policing someone with an unpopular opinion and giving him shit for it rather than because they're really concerend about the gay people that took offense about his ramblings.
I hate those pc-nazis more than any biggot.

Any bigot?

So you hate people who point out bigotry more than people who would assualt and murder gays/blacks/Asians/etc?
 
I am not sure how to feel about how this was handled concerning the backlash he got... :/

For the record I don't believe homosexuality is a sin.
 
I read that multiple times, and it doesn't seem that offensive.... He acknowledges that they are not bad people, just that in his belief that they are committing a sin to his God, which they are. The guy doesn't even condemn them to hell or anything.

My problem with this is that some people try to excusing their hate to other people (in this case: gays) by selectively using the religion. Sure, according to Christianity homosexuality is a sin. But you know what? So is promiscuity, yet you do not see people publicly condemning, well, majority of the world's population in the age 16+ for having casual sex with many partners.

If the guy was sinless, crystal clear, then sure, he can write stuff like that. But he isn't. He is a no lesser sinner than any gay that is living on the planet therefore he is also wrong.
 
Infertile people are wrong. The human body is designed to reproduce, and if one isnt capable of that I would consider that a flaw.

Honestly I have no idea what makes people homosexual. I could very well be wrong and I have no problem admitting that. If you look at it from when our species first began, if the men were not attracted to women and vice versa we would not be here today. There certainly is a reason why we have two sets of gentalia.

I guess this is just a difference of opinions. No matter what I say can be picked apart, and I can disagree with what you say and pick it apart. Perhaps wrong was poor word choice.

I had this very same discussion with a friend of mine a while ago, and he used your points as well. And all i say is it it wrong to be attracted to people with red hair and not blonde. Ist it wrong to like cucumbers more than icecream. Just because it is not common it is not flawed or wrong. Also lets not forget that homosexual people can reproduce just fine, they wont enjoy it as much. But hey if duty calls!
 
A lot of people still get hung up on homosexuality because they take an overly reductionist perspective. "Mans don't have pipes to make babies so mans weren't meant to go together, so that is illogical. BZZ. INCORRECT BEHAVIOR."


First, putting aside the fact that being gay is not actually a choice to behave "illogically" (and thus by the naturalistic argument, being gay is not an "error" because, well, it's natural), that kind of reductionist thinking leads down a hall of mirrors. One could start arguing "but humans should not be in aircraft, they did not evolve for the function of flying."

Second, as others have brought up such examples, reductionist naturalism can't cope with people who mate but don't have offspring on purpose, people who remain celibate, etc.

In point of fact, there ARE those who believe that it is "wrong" for people to not all pair up and have children. There are those who do say it's wrong for married couples to remain childless.

In those cases, they are a small minority so you don't hear that argument breaking out into huge fights in culture. Most people can see that human behavior cannot be reduced to that level, so they take for granted that there are celibate people, childless families, etc.

I think there may be a connection there however.For instance; people who argue that childlessness is "wrong" even immoral, tend to be too concerned with how others live their life, and disturbed, unsettled, by the fact that another couple is not behaving in a normative fashion. People are insecure things. Sadly, when many see someone behaving in a way that is not, to them, normative, their first reaction is not to wonder "what new behavior am I unaware of" but to think "something is WRONG with them, nobody who behaves correctly would do that." (This in itself seems as if it can be a matter of education. It is possible for someone to learn that they cannot judge other behaviors that easily, and this is part of being open minded.)

In the case of The Gay, it is highly non-normative behavior in cultures that suffer from a lot of homophobia and censoring of the topic. Therefore, it is bound to unsettle or confuse people to a great degree and trigger the impulse to explain it away as somehow wrong. It's true that this doesn't necessarily mean each individual who is confounded by The Gay will transform their confusion into hatred. It's just that it's easy to happen with the human animal.

Someone asked early in the thread about the "phobic" part of homophobia, since so many people seem to just outright hate gay people. But that's how it works. The hatred is generally a mechanism to cover up fear and insecurity. Homosexuality threatens the social foundations of people who are insecure about those foundations. Look at how common it is for an extroverted, extremely hateful homophobe to be outed as gay himself. Classic projection of personal confusion and insecurity onto other people / another group.
Excellent post.

From what I have seen on GAF, most people here take a stance that eliminates cognitive dissonance from professions of belief and then pretends it never existed in the first place.

Like if someone makes the statement: "I have love for gay people, but I believe practicing homosexuality is wrong."

That statement only works from a perspective of there being a distinction between one's "true" self and how they think and feel and live. Christians are used to this because they have accepted a "true self" identity that is without sin or sinful desire. It's their final goal to, upon death, attain freedom from anything in conflict with that identity, so they have major problems with themselves whenever they desire something sinful. They extend this perspective to other people who in their eyes desire sinful things.

A humanist has no such view. To them, the only self is the self which physically exists. In such a case, the comparison of homosexuality to left-handedness is incredibly accurate. You can't say "I love you, I just hate left-hand dominance" because you are rejecting the very nature of that person. You cannot reject the nature without also rejecting the person. This is what makes it "hateful" because that rejection is what it boils down to whether you name it for the specific trait or the person as a whole.

Now, as I said, I think a lot of people on GAF tend to do all this in their head and post without explaining that. It comes off as being incredibly ignorant of the differences of worldview in play. It also ends up being confusing for many people who don't realize this intellectual process because they associate the word "hate" with extreme negative emotions for a person as a whole, which the person who makes such a statement is not demonstrating.

I am a strong advocate of putting away all these bullshit games of conveniently ignoring the nature of worldviews to push the results of adopting your own. Transparency and deconstruction of beliefs is annoyingly complicated and long as a process, but it's the only way that people are going to end up reconciling to a single conclusion. This "shun the idiot" method is only reacting with the exact same tactics that hurt homosexuals in the first place, so how can it be thought of as a higher rationality, even if the positions it stands for are correct?

Let's all grow up, please.
This one's good too.

It's helpful when someone takes the time to step out and above the immediate context of a disagreement and discuss the reasons why people behave the way they do. A bird's-eye view often reveals things that are easy to miss from the ground. When we're aware of the factors that influence our reactions and opinions, and those of others, it's easier to anticipate how we might fall into error, and to adjust our thinking accordingly.
 
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