Just FYI when I say tasteless, I mean shallow and tacky. As I've said before, the music sticks out as egregiously tasteless. They put no effort into learning about guitars, or music in general. And it shows, repeatedly. I cited a couple that I remembered off the top of my head, a couple really blatantly sloppy mistakes. Every time they brought up music, I remember there being similar mistakes. It shows a complete disregard for guitar and music because much of it should have been obvious had anyone on staff played guitar or had talked to someone who did. To me, it seems like one of the reasons for adapting K-ON is that the episode in which Haruhi played guitar and the song she played turned out to be really popular, so they decided to do a series where they could do that multiple times. It seems like a transparent cash grab and pandering to me, just like the army stuff in the Transformers.
I think this is more of an expectations vs. reality thing, K-On is adapted from a 4koma which is primarily about the daily lives of high school girls that just so happen to establish a light music club, its relation to music is always tenuous at best. Sure they do play music, and it's about their club but its a light music club run by teenagers that have fairly lofty goals but never take it too seriously. The show doesn't take itself all that seriously either and when it does it's more about the then established relationships between the characters and on their high school life together.
tl;dr I think you're taking the music aspect of K-On way too seriously.
They were so obnoxious with it, though. And while Go and Daisuke were the heaviest with the literal crying, at the end of the day, it was just that so much of the show was dedicated to characters complaining about their own insecurities or incompetence at such inappropriate moments. And it was all wrapped in that weird boisterous, operatic approach the show took
Mind you, this was all before I watched G Gundam so I didn't really have a reference for the layer of cheese going in.
Yes I think the show is quite full of cheese and is extremely silly. But I like my anime to be over the top. It's why I watch anime. At the end of the day, I think GR handles it's cheese well and still tells a solid tale with really fun characters, even if one of those characters is a dude that kills people by snapping his fingers at them.
Oh god Texhnolyze... I watched the first episode with a friend, but I take anymore of it. My friend allegedly continued with the series, saying it picked up pace and he really liked it. I'm not sure if I believe him.
If it did pick up then it sure as fuck was not 13 episodes in cause that's when I dropped it. If there is one thing I have to say about that anime is that it managed to make 20 minutes of content feel like it went on for hours. I watched bits of the ending on youtube many years later and I kind of regretted not finishing it but then I remembered how boring the show was.
Bebop was originally aimed to be a movie and they made it into a TV series so that's why it is mostly episodic. Even if you don't appreciate the episodic shows you have to admit the key episodes (5, 8, 12 & 13, etc) are quite memorable
but yeah it definitely helps if you actually think of the show as not just those key episodes. The episodic ones are amazing all on their own.
Bebop was originally aimed to be a movie and they made it into a TV series so that's why it is mostly episodic. Even if you don't appreciate the episodic shows you have to admit the key episodes (5, 8, 12 & 13, etc) are quite memorable
but yeah it definitely helps if you actually think of the show as not just those key episodes. The episodic ones are amazing all on their own.
Redline is a pale imitation of a Michael Bay film.
Oh, what the hell, since the animegaf thread is a not a place for serious debate, I'll just add this - Penguindrum is an overrated mess romanticized by people who are easily impressed by poorly rendered obfuscation.
Oh, what the hell, since the animegaf thread is a not a place for serious debate, I'll just add this - Penguindrum is an overrated mess romanticized by people who are easily impressed by poorly rendered obfuscation.
Could you elaborate on this? I have that show but I've yet to watch it because the monologue about fate (lol) they throw at you right off the start instantly put me off.
Could you elaborate on this? I have that show but I've yet to watch it because the monologue about fate (lol) they throw at you right off the start instantly put me off.
I've chosen not to write about this show in particular because it's almost pointless here, but I'll just say that while it has great ideas - especially thematically - it is just structured so poorly that, at times, it makes you feel bad about ever being angry at Lost or the ending of Battlestar Galactica.
I think it's still worth watching, warts and all, but I would go in with realistic expectations.
Could you elaborate on this? I have that show but I've yet to watch it because the monologue about fate (lol) they throw at you right off the start instantly put me off.
1. "This thread" as in "[Anime] Your "Controversial" Opinions", you know, the one we were posting in when I said "earlier in this thread." http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34634019&postcount=296
2. You acknowledged later your post, where you say I lied about having made criticisms of K-ON not dealing with moe, that I did in fact criticize the music elements for consistently being factually wrong. Let me repeate this: After you call me a liar regarding my claim that I criticized the music elements of K-ON in the "[Anime] Your "Controversial" Opinions", you go on to admit I criticized the music elements in the same post. Seriously. It is right down there. I've quoted it.
The entire show wasn't. It's why I was waiting for you to pick specific examples in specific episodes to depict this virgin worshiping and waifu generator. You're misunderstanding of moe didn't help either.
I've addressed this time and time again. I've addressed this just on page 5 (or 11).
If you think KyoAni is completely ignorant of that and isn't pandering to them every second of K-ON, I really don't know what to say. I mean do you seriously think the people in this company really only cared about making a show about girls having fun, and then they were shocked to find that the show was among the most popular among creepy Otaku? Fuck no. They meant to do that. Haruhi Suzumiya as a whole states that they are very much aware of it and K-ON shows just how much they're willing to pander to that part of the anime community.
The show isn't funny. It isn't amusing. It isn't about music. I'm sure you'll say "It isn't supposed to be those things." K-ON is about watching cute, innocent teenage girls. That is all it is. What else could a show primarily based around cute anime girls being cute possibly be?
And like I asked you, did you even watched K-On as intended? Hate it for what it is, not what it isn't. Because while you may be right that there are some mistakes about their portrayal of music, it wasn't the primary focus of the show compared to the slice of life aspects of the show and are minor problems in the grand schemes of the show.
If the music didn't matter, why include it? If the music didn't matter enough to ask someone what happens when unplug a guitar from the amp cord while the amp is still on? They just didn't care.
Such issues does not detract from the main enjoyment of the show. It is, however, a minor issue that affects you gravely apparently.That's the difference and you refuse to admit this isn't a problem of the show, but actually, yourself.
That the creators of the show couldn't be bothered to do any research on their show is not my fault.
It's you, the viewer, that's not approaching the show correctly. I even specifically asked you to cite me the specific times they deal with music compared to their club activities. You'll notice it's very disproportionate if you did.
Also, do you even generally follow CD sales in general? K-On isn't the only anime to have sold character songs. Even Haruhi Suzumiya and Lucky Star predated this type of merchandising for example and they're both not music-related, so this isn't a wholly unique phenomenon you're blaming K-On for. The last few years has many shows doing this more commonly actually.
So why are you hating on K-On for merchandising exactly? Every show sells its OST, OP and ED, even some insert songs if the show has any. So why are you even saying this is a problem with the show itself and its quality when it's unrelated to its actual quality?
Because to me, K-ON seems like a show built for merchandising rather than basing merchandise off the show, badly I might add. It's the same reason you usually don't want to see a zipper on the costume of the monster.
Edit: If I don't immediately respond, it's because I've gone to bed.
I've chosen not to write about this show in particular because it's almost pointless here, but I'll just say that while it has great ideas - especially thematically - it is just structured so poorly that, at times, it makes you feel bad about ever being angry at Lost or the ending of Battlestar Galactica.
I think it's still worth watching, warts and all, but I would go in with realistic expectations.
Aw... I always like reading thought out opinions on anime. In fact I hate how a lot of fans just refuse to look at shows with an ounce of criticism or just a general analytic point of view.
Just FYI when I say tasteless, I mean shallow and tacky. As I've said before, the music sticks out as egregiously tasteless. They put no effort into learning about guitars, or music in general. And it shows, repeatedly. I cited a couple that I remembered off the top of my head, a couple really blatantly sloppy mistakes. Every time they brought up music, I remember there being similar mistakes. It shows a complete disregard for guitar and music because much of it should have been obvious had anyone on staff played guitar or had talked to someone who did.
I just want to say that you are utterly wrong with this.
I don't want to come over all "I'm an expert" but .... I played guitar in bands for years, toured the US & Europe, released numerous CDs and 7" singles on well regarded labels etc etc. One of the main reasons I like K-On is how well the staff on the show handle the music - they "get it". 99% of the time the girls hands & fingers are exactly where they would be on the instrument (very rare in both live action & animation shows), the songs that the band play in the show (i.e. not the OP or EDs) are very well written & constructed, some clever almost Beatleseque stuff is hidden away in some of the songs. Of course the skill with which they suddenly start playing at is ridiculous but ... its a work of fiction!
1. "This thread" as in "[Anime] Your "Controversial" Opinions", you know, the one we were posting in when I said "earlier in this thread." http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=296
2. You acknowledged later your post, where you say I lied about having made criticisms of K-ON not dealing with moe, that I did in fact criticize the music elements for consistently being factually wrong. Let me repeate this: After you call me a liar regarding my claim that I criticized the music elements of K-ON in the "[Anime] Your "Controversial" Opinions", you go on to admit I criticized the music elements in the same post. Seriously. It is right down there. I've quoted it.
The show isn't funny. It isn't amusing. It isn't about music. I'm sure you'll say "It isn't supposed to be those things." K-ON is about watching cute, innocent teenage girls. That is all it is. What else could a show primarily based around cute anime girls being cute possibly be?
It's a joy. Just not for you and others. That's fine.
If you think KyoAni is completely ignorant of that and isn't pandering to them every second of K-ON, I really don't know what to say. I mean do you seriously think the people in this company really only cared about making a show about girls having fun, and then they were shocked to find that the show was among the most popular among creepy Otaku? Fuck no. They meant to do that.
Uh yes, it was about making a show with girls having fun? Read the source material (manga) even. It's why K-On has such mainstream appeal in Japan now which you've flatly ignored. I even mentioned its inception on Disney Channel Japan. The fact is K-On!! increased its mainstream appeal from K-ON! proves they also meant to have a broader appeal. They also meant to do that too. Still, what does pandering have to do with the actual quality of the show? You hate the pandering aspect of the industry, fine. What does it have to do with the show though? Nothing about the show's quality. It's why we don't look at the Tiger and Bunny merchandise to depict the quality of the show, right?
Also, the show isn't as derivative as you're claiming it to be. There's a reason why it stands above derivative moe shows you're assuming it to be. If you can't see the appeal, hey, you don't have to fully understand. You just know it is for some indiscernible reason.
Haruhi Suzumiya as a whole states that they are very much aware of it and K-ON shows just how much they're willing to pander to that part of the anime community.
Then explain why does K-On have such mainstream appeal now beyond "that part of the anime community?"
If the music didn't matter, why include it? If the music didn't matter enough to ask someone what happens when unplug a guitar from the amp cord while the amp is still on? They just didn't care.
Or maybe they just didn't care about such minor details because the show was about the club experience and relationships. It's fine if you're disappointed in how they treated the music aspects of the show, but your complaints are simply being nitpicky about K-On as you should have been aware of what kind of show K-On is after 39 episodes of it or did you only watch the first season?
That the creators of the show couldn't be bothered to do any research on their show is not my fault.
You're entitled to be bothered by the wrongs in the portrayal of the music. Doesn't change the fact it is a minor aspect of the show, yet you're acting like it's a major issue of the show when it isn't. In short, you have wrong expectations of the show, and the first few episodes are very much indicative of this fact that you wouldn't have gotten such expectations fulfilled. You continually holding this petty standard to the show even after finishing it bodes poorly for you as a viewer.
Your complaints about the show are petty at best then because you refuse to acknowledge what the show actually is and fault it for appropriately. The Yui complaints are a far more legitimate complaint than what you've been sprouting.
It didn't feel as transparently fake in Haruhi as it does in K-ON.
K-On isn't selling anything intentionally through the series itself. Not like PreCure toys or Gundam model kits.This is also part of why your refusal to see the actual intentions of the show is making this harder to portray. The music selling (the OST, the OP and ED) has always been apart of general merchandising for anime. You're going to have sales in this area regardless. The guitars sales and the AKG K271 (Mio phones) purchases are an inadvertent side-effect of the show.
Because to me, K-ON seems like a show built for merchandising rather than basing merchandise off the show, badly I might add. It's the same reason you usually don't want to see a zipper on the costume of the monster.
The people who said that Gurren Lagann (even only a part of it) is shit, must die by an atrocious, painful and disgusting death. It's the best anime ever. period.
Also all the Key/Kyoani stuff is awesome.
K-ON it's an ok anime, doesn't deserve all this popularity.
Azumanga Daioh is pure awesomeness.
Naruto, and Bleach are the cancer of the shonen genre. They've been around for way too long, and have reached the point where the over whelming majority of their run has been trash.
Naruto, and Bleach are the cancer of the shonen genre. They've been around for way too long, and have reached the point where the over whelming majority of their run has been trash.
No, it's really not. Dragon Ball has the ability to remain fun throughout its entire run. Bleach is a painful show to watch. Like Naruto it dropped the fun side of things for more stupid telenovela drama.
I can't fathom how the OP thinks FMA is better than Brotherhood. The second half of the first anime just falls apart.
Anyways, Howls Moving Castle, Akira, and NGE are incoherent at times and downright bad in others. Shinji Ikari is the worst protagonist in modern animation.
I felt the same way for a while, after the final volume finally released over here. However, the longer I've had to digest it and think on it, the anime is far superior to the manga. Nightow got too wrapped up in the craziness of
Livio
and it was a mess of trying to figure out what was going on, visually, for the last three or four volumes.
However, I think both of
Wolfwood's death scenes
were great. I think I still prefer the anime, though, as I like the shift from r
eflection on what he has done with his life, to rejecting death, and then to accepting it.
Not to mention the music is spot on for it.
(is it still necessary to spoiler Trigun? I'm just being courteous)
Oddly enough, upon my first viewing, I thought it was an interesting premise that had been given a disservice by the people handling it. However, a week or two after I saw it, it started to grow on me, and I ended up buying it from amazon shortly thereafter.
Youtube had some good free stuff showing like Castle of Cagliostro, Tekkon Kinkreet, Skycrawlers, and Tokyo Godfathers for a while there. Not sure if they still are, but it helped me clear some of my "I really need to watch ________" list. : P
I'm desperately hoping that this is a joke post. I really, really am.
- Ergo Proxy is a frustratingly pretentious show that never actually had enough behind it to warrant the self-righteous way it handles its themes and subject. The only thing worth watching it for was the episode where
they're stuck without wind and nothing happens the entire episode.
- Ouran High School Host Club is not funny, and it was a waste of time sitting through it based on the generally warm/positive reception it gets. Perhaps it's because I'm likely not within its target audience, but I found it to be a rather boring, uninteresting series.
- Millenium Actress, while a fascinating premise and overall direction was excellent, fell extraordinarily flat for me because
the central conflict of the woman trying to find a man she loved was based around her interaction with a stranger for only a handful of hours. I could never really believe she wanted so badly to find him because of it. Yeah, I understand, he's a metaphor,
but still, it doesn't excuse how weak of a thread it is.
- Castle of Cagliostro gets too much praise from the fans of it, yet, it still warrants all of the praise it gets. If that makes any sense to anyone.
No, it's really not. Dragon Ball has the ability to remain fun throughout its entire run. Bleach is a painful show to watch. Like Naruto it dropped the fun side of things for more stupid telenovela drama.
Not really controversial, in my opinion, since One Piece left Naruto and Bleach in the dust years ago. I'm still surprised at how much fun the series is, and I love that you can still tell Oda loves what he does in his work.
I only read mangas, but to me it;s because One Piece is a comedy that tries to be shonen and fails at it. The characters are caricatures, their powers are just rotfl-worthy and the whole series is just plain silly. Which isn't bad, but I kind of do expect exciting combat from shonen and the silliness of One Piece makes it impossible for me to take anything in it seriously. Not to mention OP art is horrendous.
Naruto, and Bleach are the cancer of the shonen genre. They've been around for way too long, and have reached the point where the over whelming majority of their run has been trash.
Oh, what the hell, since the animegaf thread is a not a place for serious debate, I'll just add this - Penguindrum is an overrated mess romanticized by people who are easily impressed by poorly rendered obfuscation.
