Winter 2012 Anime Thread of Roundcats Up in This
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firehawk12
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Okay. I suspected as much but I needed to confirm.
What happened to real you avatar?
It's amazing how worked up this forum gets given that we are all watching a bunch of Japanese cartoons.
I mean seriously, think about it for a second.
Even the best animated stuff outside of maybe Miyazaki's work gets blown the fuck away by Disney cartoons. Anime was never really about the animation itself. Thats the strict definition of it, but its basically manga in color with sound and music and SOME movement.
Anime is about the characters and stories, and the experience of watching it. The ANIMATION part of it is laughable.
I mean seriously, think about it for a second.
Even the best animated stuff outside of maybe Miyazaki's work gets blown the fuck away by Disney cartoons. Anime was never really about the animation itself. Thats the strict definition of it, but its basically manga in color with sound and music and SOME movement.
Anime is about the characters and stories, and the experience of watching it. The ANIMATION part of it is laughable.
I shouldn't touch this because it's really wrong but w/e.
Disney stuff is largely really boring (visually speaking) moving storybooks. It's a complete snooze. Anime has less frames but it's what they do with them that makes me prefer anime.
Also this post is really kinda insulting to all the talented and dedicated animators who are/were part of the anime industry. Please retract this post.
What have you done?
Shaft with a good budget would own big time.
Nichibro's 4
I'm not really finding this show to be anywhere near as funny as Gintama.
Nichibro's 4
I'm not really finding this show to be anywhere near as funny as Gintama.
nah
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I'm not saying there isn't good animation in anime, just that in light of other works by non-anime producing studios around the world, it is hardly impressive. Pizzaroll is right that its what they do with the limited amount of animation, but at the same time, this goes to show how fucking stupid this argument is given that Shaft does a hell of a lot with a little bit of animation. It just plays into my argument.
firehawk12
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I'll give him that at least. lol
Oh god... no..
Khan.... KHAAAAAAAAAAAN.
SHAFT doesn't do much (ie, they're still horrid even using this as a measure) with their limited animation, truthfully. There are good examples of shows that do good with very few frames and there is not a single SHAFT show in that imaginary list of mine that does not exist but will slap together if urged to do so.
Just quit thinking that anime is somehow lesser as a whole to the rest of the world technically speaking. It is factually wrong.
firehawk12
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Oh yeah, well I watch it for the music!
I was giving pizzaroll a hard time over his love for the horrendously drawn scenes in Birdy S2, but apparently I have dug too deeply and greedily in this endeavor and have now unleashed a demon of the ancient world upon this thread.
Fixed that for you.
No they don't. If anything it proves that others do much more with less.
I've seen a fuckload of it. I'm right here.
I've seen the best animation the industry can offer and yes, I would put that stuff up against anything, but the vast, vast majority of it is horrible in the animation department. The ARTWORK AND DETAIL is magnificent, but the actual movement is a janky mess. This applies to some very good shows too. Thats just how it is. I dont judge anime by that metric anyway and neither should anyone. I dont mean to hurt anybody's feelings. I'm not a callous penguin.
I think you just gave 7th an aneurism.
The worst part about this is that it's a relatively common opinion.
cajunator is correct though, Disney anything pretty much blows any anime out of the water as far as pure technical animation achievement is concerned. As it should, given the massive budgets those movies tend to get. Not that it necessarily makes them better looking of course.
That shouldn't discredit the efforts many talented Japanese animators though, as even with shoestring budgets many of them are able to make very good looking works. Shaft is a prime example of that obviously.
That shouldn't discredit the efforts many talented Japanese animators though, as even with shoestring budgets many of them are able to make very good looking works. Shaft is a prime example of that obviously.
firehawk12
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I blame pizzaroll for all of this. Just let him have his scribbles, Hito.
People should judge anime by that metric because otherwise what is the point of it being animated?
Hey, Alice in Wonderland and Sleeping Beauty were both visually inventive, joyful movies!
I'm not discrediting what they do. I'm just saying that anime rarely meets this kind of animation standard (although this short piece doesnt make a lot of fucking sense)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZiUyhDcgXQ
Of course that is Studio 4C and they are godly.
Or we could have actually talked about Rinne?
The characters in Rinne have been charming to varying degrees. Nothing really memorable about anybody so far with the exception of Madoka who's been the most impressionable with the most character development, which hasn't been much. Some characters are outside the cusp of being one-note like Lan, characters like Muginami and Youko have been rather mediocre and "there" for a lack of a better descriptor, and the villains have been ultimately dull characters. However, it could potentially be a fun cast with a chance for decent character dynamics if the direction remains as consistent as it has been surprisingly. Regarding the story, the lighthearted tone of the series is almost disconcerting when they're trying to portray a more serious tone like the severity of the prophecy in Episode 3 when
Lan tries to overcome her fears to pilot or Array's foreshadowing at the end.
It's been a fun, average series but nothing great so far.
I have no idea why, but it did feel good to watch S7 bomb after getting most of the funding that season. If anything, I would just rather they get the ability to be able to cut back on some of the CG because they were pretty much forced to use it more than they wanted to (according to recent interviews at any rate), and also because well, it's CG.
Sure the end was weak, but the ride was at least way more interesting than
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Is this now a big budget movie production vs. little TV anime discussion?
As a story ho, I almost want to agree with you just for the fuck of it, but then I'd feel dirty.
Ofc, but I don't think he had much to do with them. (dat Mary Blair art) But then you'd have to include crap like The Sword in the Stone, so...
I know for a fact he was very hands off with Sleeping Beauty which is why Eyvind Earle got to go wild.
Yeah, it certainly was a real mixed bag. I mean, Cinderella is still one of Disney's most visually dull movies.
No, because even TV productions of many animated shows beat out anime. Im just saying animation isn't anime's strong suit, and it never really was. Its still animation and it takers a lot of work to make moving art, but it doesnt mean the Japanese do it better.
I know its not a popular opinion among anime fans but I'm not ignorant to this medium. I have seen many hundreds of shows from many different periods of anime and I am pretty adamant about this in particular. It doesnt personally hurt my view of anime though, becausel ike I said the animation quality isn't what I hold to high regard. Bleieve it or not I also don't qualify an anime as good just because it has HNNNG in it, although that greatly helps.
hey, Western TV vs TV anime isn't exactly a rosy comparison either.
That's becoming harder to assess though given how many Western animated TV projects are going the easy Flash route nowadays.
Unless someone tells me otherwise, I don't even think S7 bomba. It did decently well for what kind of show it was. 4,000+ was it?
Why does it have to be "better" ? Japanese animation is very respectable and deserves to be mentioned in equal standing to the rest of the world's animation, period. It has lots of garbage shit, but so does everything else.
Look, I'll put it this way. Anime is good at executing bursts of animation. Theres probably a lot to do with lower budgets, but I definitely think that western animation has a better constant fluidity to it, although at the expense of art quality. Anime has a lot of detail and it would be prohibitively expensive to animate it to the level of western productions, but that's just how it is. Its a tradeoff. Not one that I really mind, but its there.
I'm watching Card Captor Sakura right now. Most would agree that it is a good little show.
However, it is definitely not due to the animation quality.
For higher budgeted movies in the anime world, the animators are allowed to do what they want, and it produces much more comparable results, but TV anime cannot afford to do this, so its just stupid to compare animation quality when even the well animated shows have many instances where there are frames of absolutely still characters doing absolutely NOTHING.
I'm watching Card Captor Sakura right now. Most would agree that it is a good little show.
However, it is definitely not due to the animation quality.
For higher budgeted movies in the anime world, the animators are allowed to do what they want, and it produces much more comparable results, but TV anime cannot afford to do this, so its just stupid to compare animation quality when even the well animated shows have many instances where there are frames of absolutely still characters doing absolutely NOTHING.
Bodacious Space Pirates 4
Jeez, lots of dialog. The next one should be good.
Gundam AGE 16
Asemu is a cool character. I like both his personality and character design. He's already a way more likable character than Flit is. Nice battle scene.
Phi Brain: Puzzle of God 17
I enjoyed it.
Jeez, lots of dialog. The next one should be good.
Gundam AGE 16
Asemu is a cool character. I like both his personality and character design. He's already a way more likable character than Flit is. Nice battle scene.
Phi Brain: Puzzle of God 17
I enjoyed it.
Rook's plan of crushing Kaito's memories backfired when Kaito's foster parents actually loved him. Rook didn't anticipate that factor. I wonder if the POG henchmen killed the principle at the end. I suppose it was implied that they gunned him down. Also I have a feeling that Jin is Kaito's real father, and perhaps Rook's real father as well!
RurouniZel
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For me, especially in the 80s and 90s, the difference was this.
Disney = better animation
Anime = more impressive animation
Think of it like Olympic diving. Sure you can just jump off the high board straight into the water with perfect form and no-splash entry, but then the next diver jumps and does three spins and two backflips before entering the water with some splash. Sure their entry wasn't as perfect as the prior diver, but they're going to get a higher score because the judges weigh the dives based on difficulty of execution.
Back to anime. When I was a kid watching Disney films I loved the animation quality and fluidity. But then I was introduced to anime with giant robots and whathaveyou, where the drawings were FAR more intricate and more attention was paid to lighting, shading, direction etc. Fuck, they would animate entire fucking backgrounds by HAND! Sure, there were some hiccups here and there but the level of difficulty made it easy for me to excuse the poor bits and give it a higher score, as it were. It wasn't as fluid, but it was infinitely more impressive.
/2 cents.
Disney = better animation
Anime = more impressive animation
Think of it like Olympic diving. Sure you can just jump off the high board straight into the water with perfect form and no-splash entry, but then the next diver jumps and does three spins and two backflips before entering the water with some splash. Sure their entry wasn't as perfect as the prior diver, but they're going to get a higher score because the judges weigh the dives based on difficulty of execution.
Back to anime. When I was a kid watching Disney films I loved the animation quality and fluidity. But then I was introduced to anime with giant robots and whathaveyou, where the drawings were FAR more intricate and more attention was paid to lighting, shading, direction etc. Fuck, they would animate entire fucking backgrounds by HAND! Sure, there were some hiccups here and there but the level of difficulty made it easy for me to excuse the poor bits and give it a higher score, as it were. It wasn't as fluid, but it was infinitely more impressive.
/2 cents.
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I'm loving this show. Aoi Yuuki was great as the Council President.
I'm loving this show. Aoi Yuuki was great as the Council President.
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I was giving pizzaroll a hard time over his love for the horrendously drawn scenes in Birdy S2 and that Naruto vs Pain ep, but apparently I have dug too deeply and greedily in this endeavor and have now unleashed a demon of the ancient world upon this thread.
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Hmm, the budget savings from the recap episode clearly weren't passed onto this one! That didn't really stop me from enjoying it. Team Taichi gains extra points with
Hmm, the budget savings from the recap episode clearly weren't passed onto this one! That didn't really stop me from enjoying it. Team Taichi gains extra points with
the back-up girlfriend no longer "around" to hold him back.
that depends on how fat we're talking about...?
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