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I guess it would sum it up, if you were a 12 year old illiterate that doesn't know how to read a thread.
That's not very nice to say.

I've seen and heard enough asian fetish, yellow fever, and general attraction to adolescent acting asian girls here in Seattle. It's creepy to me as person who has lived in Korean culture and be exoticized by Western media. So forgive me if I think having a so-called K-pop thread that is almost exclusively entirely filled with girl images to be creepy. I sure don't see that anywhere else on GAF.
 
Well most of the music I listen to outside of kpop for example. Not saying there's anything wrong with simple lyrics.

Sorry, meant pop music. I know there's plenty of music that talk about different things. But yea, Kpop is not where you will find such variety though haha.

That's not very nice to say.

I've seen and heard enough asian fetish, yellow fever, and general attraction to adolescent acting asian girls here in Seattle. It's creepy to me as person who has lived in Korean culture and be exoticized by Western media. So forgive me if I think having a so-called K-pop thread that is almost exclusively entirely filled with girl images to be creepy. I sure don't see that anywhere else on GAF.

The "Kpop" in the title is misleading. Sure it focuses on kpop artists, but it's about Korean pop culture in general, not pop music. Have you seen any of the previous hot women threads? It is a thread that is entirely filled with girl images and posters being much more creepy/derogatory. At least we don't talk about creaming our pants every time a picture is posted. The difference with the Kpop thread is that it isn't 100% about the girls.
 
I'm sure having a music thread devoid of mostly music and filled with images of girls is not creepy at all. I've met enough folks in real life who exoticize Asian females and culture. The K-pop music thread filled entirely with imagery does nothing to persuade the opposite.
Do I really have to break this down? The idea of a specialized thread isn't that difficult...

  • We discuss the music as often as it comes out.
  • We like charming, attractive women. Tumblr is like some sort of superstream making it extremely easy to have a shallow look around like most anyone does with celebrities on magazines, tv, or what have you.
  • We like other charming, attractive women as well. That is not what the kpop thread is for, and there are no threads for those other women. That is in part because western media isn't structured for stars to have multifaceted entertainment careers like Korean media is.
  • Many of the images are from shows we watch, which are perfectly valid and entertaining on their own merit, even completely devoid of any of the girls 80% of the time. It can be like "This episode of Running Man was hilarious. Here is a gif of something cute the girl did" and that gif represents 2 seconds of an hour long show that had nothing to do with girls doing cute things.
  • None of us are as creepy as all of us. Bear in mind that the overall effect is the total of much smaller offerings from each one of us. Also like any specialized interest, in-jokes develop and to an outsider it can seem too deeply invested when really it develops quite passively.
  • Exoticizing Asians... Wow man, that's a really personal assumption to be making. Some of us in the thread are Asian, for some others an Asian (or multiple! *gasp*) might be their best friend in the world that they've shared life with for over a decade. Obviously I can't know and speak for the attitude of everyone in the thread, but that's the point, neither can you. Yes, you're going to find more of that mentality among western kpop fans than the general populace, but the same is true of racists in rural areas. You can't just slap that assumption on everyone who remotely matches the first one you knew. It's too personal and too harsh.
 
hatred and trolling=opinions not officially sanctioned by your purgatorial community forum alamo.

that thread is everything wrong with gaf's groupthink sub-communities, the only reason it exists is to keep your sycophantic trash in one place.

Yes, because referring to opinions as sycophantic trash is not trolling. Calling things banal or developmentally challenged simply because you have a difference of opinion on the merits of it are valid responses.

Give me a break. Look, we can see through your highly transparent attempts to troll what you see as a community that is not as hip as you. The best part is that you purposefully chose references to obscure Japanese bands like Mono or Envy in order to feign your self-righteous blather about how cool you are. You're a name dropping faker who knows shit about shit and needs to validate your own self-worth by attacking the opinions of others. You are the epitome of pretension and you don't realize that your self-aggrandizing behavior is doing nothing more than alienating you as someone that any community should actually care about. You're the web forum version of the circle-jerking cretins that actively demean anyone who has taste that differs from your own narrow brand of pitchforkmedia-esque know-it-all "good music."

Quite frankly you, and the people like you that post in threads about opinions, are tiresome. There are lots of people in this thread who have expressed negative opinions toward the music. That's cool by me, I don't even think of it all that highly. You, however, take it to the next step, beyond that of what is reasonable.
 
Sorry, meant pop music. I know there's plenty of music that talk about different things. But yea, Kpop is not where you will find such variety though haha.

Yeah, I don't listen to pop outside of kpop pretty much at all. With kpop it's easy to ignore the lyrics and just watch the girls dance.
 
So forgive me if I think having a so-called K-pop thread that is almost exclusively entirely filled with girl images to be creepy. I sure don't see that anywhere else on GAF.
There are plenty of threads on GAF which have ended up being an image dump. The recent Christina threads have been mainly discussing her looks and posting lots of pictures.

It's the same with the K-Pop thread. The pictures are what the people are doing, the dramas some are rehearsing etc. It's hard to demonstrate things without photos to back that up. However, if you'd bothered to look past the pictures you'd see that there was conversation too about plenty of other things.
 
i didn't think kpop fans were too creepy till i started browsing the top girls generation forum, for english speakers.

there's an entire forum dedicated to buying them presents. members will pool their money together to buy stuff.

i think last christmas they bought yuri (a member) a macbook and some DJ equipment, don't remember what they bought the rest of the members. crazy.

it's an english forum, so i wonder what their hardcore korean fans do. lol.
 
i didn't think kpop fans were too creepy till i started browsing the top girls generation forum (in english).

there's an entire forum dedicated to buying them presents. members will pool their money together to buy stuff.

i think last christmas they bought yuri (a member) a macbook and some DJ equipment, don't remember what they bought the rest of the members. crazy.

it's an english forum, so i wonder what their hardcore korean fans do. lol.

What in the world? What's wrong with these people? Let's pool our money to buy pop stars free stuff!
 
That's not very nice to say.

I've seen and heard enough asian fetish, yellow fever, and general attraction to adolescent acting asian girls here in Seattle. It's creepy to me as person who has lived in Korean culture and be exoticized by Western media. So forgive me if I think having a so-called K-pop thread that is almost exclusively entirely filled with girl images to be creepy. I sure don't see that anywhere else on GAF.

You should probably look at the Kpop thread before making such ridiculous assumptions.
 
Yes, because referring to opinions as sycophantic trash is not trolling. Calling things banal or developmentally challenged simply because you have a difference of opinion on the merits of it are valid responses.

Give me a break. Look, we can see through your highly transparent attempts to troll what you see as a community that is not as hip as you. The best part is that you purposefully chose references to obscure Japanese bands like Mono or Envy in order to feign your self-righteous blather about how cool you are. You're a name dropping faker who knows shit about shit and needs to validate your own self-worth by attacking the opinions of others. You are the epitome of pretension and you don't realize that your self-aggrandizing behavior is doing nothing more than alienating you as someone that any community should actually care about. You're the web forum version of the circle-jerking cretins that actively demean anyone who has taste that differs from your own narrow brand of pitchforkmedia-esque know-it-all "good music."

Quite frankly you, and the people like you that post in threads about opinions, are tiresome. There are lots of people in this thread who have expressed negative opinions toward the music. That's cool by me, I don't even think of it all that highly. You, however, take it to the next step, beyond that of what is reasonable.
i listed probably the biggest two bands from japan that i regularly listen to. if you genuinely find this hard to believe then the issue lies with your own tragic myopia, which suspects any deviation from the sterile catwalk of popular chart music as some desperate reach to be fashionable. what a pitiful place to find yourself in. i like both those bands because i can say whole heatedly that they are both really fucking great, and would be open to any opportunity to find similar korean artists, since all i've ever been exposed to (through too many hours of starcraft stream watching) is processed shit as demonstrated in the op.

that said, a taste for vapid, infantile music is perhaps the least of k-pop gaf's concerns.
 
i listed probably the biggest two bands from japan that i regularly listen to. if you genuinely find this hard to believe then the issue lies with your own tragic myopia, which suspects any deviation from the sterile catwalk of popular chart music as some desperate reach to be fashionable. i like both those bands because i can say whole heatedly that they are both really fucking great, and would be open to any opportunity to find similar korean artists, since all i've ever been exposed to (through too many hours of starcraft stream watching) is processed shit as demonstrated in the op.

that said, a taste for vapid, infantile music is perhaps the least of k-pop gaf's concerns.

They are good. I've been lifting my skinny fists like antennas and broadcasting my love for post-rock since I was a virginal high school freshman. I was nicknamed Mogwai because I wore the t-shirt until it literally fell apart in college.

What I didn't do was close myself off to other valid and interesting forms of music and characterize them as beneath me at the same time.
 
There are plenty of threads on GAF which have ended up being an image dump. The recent Christina threads have been mainly discussing her looks and posting lots of pictures.

It's the same with the K-Pop thread. The pictures are what the people are doing, the dramas some are rehearsing etc. It's hard to demonstrate things without photos to back that up. However, if you'd bothered to look past the pictures you'd see that there was conversation too about plenty of other things.

I've always wondered if the stealth hot girls threads we get from time to time are considered creepy. Those things certainly have less discussion than the Kpop threads.


i didn't think kpop fans were too creepy till i started browsing the top girls generation forum, for english speakers.

there's an entire forum dedicated to buying them presents. members will pool their money together to buy stuff.

i think last christmas they bought yuri (a member) a macbook and some DJ equipment, don't remember what they bought the rest of the members. crazy.

it's an english forum, so i wonder what their hardcore korean fans do. lol.

Soshified? and yeah the korean fans do the same things too. Some have even bought them expensive Jewelry. Jpop fans do the same things too. I don't see the point of it, especially for Jpop artists since they already get enough free stuff as it is.
 
K-Pop-Gaf only crosses the line when non-Korean members PM me questioning my Korean-ness.

"I know more about Korean culture than you. I have more Korean friends than you. I watch more K-drama than you do. YHou don't know a 10th about what's going on your own country than I do." etc. etc.
 
What in the world? What's wrong with these people? Let's pool our money to buy pop stars free stuff!

i know, it's real crazy.

found this in the kpop thread, here's a list of what one korean forum bought for one of their members for their birthdays.

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wtf?
 
What in the world? What's wrong with these people? Let's pool our money to buy pop stars free stuff!
I think the last time Salazar found a summary of this sort of thing (Christmas?) he called it "Buying presents for millionaires, winter 2011 edition" lol

We do make fun of the kpop realm as much as we speak well of it.
 
K-Pop-Gaf only crosses the line when non-Korean members PM me questioning my Korean-ness.

"I know more about Korean culture than you. I have more Korean friends than you. I watch more K-drama than you do. YHou don't know a 10th about what's going on your own country than I do." etc. etc.
i'm gonna throw a wild guess that this person had a kpop starlet for an avatar?
 
i'm gonna throw a wild guess that this person had a kpop starlet for an avatar?

Yeah. Its the only time I've seriously thought about going out and hurting someone form the internet.

But I figure that was isolated, so I eventually got over it.
 
K-Pop-Gaf only crosses the line when non-Korean members PM me questioning my Korean-ness.

"I know more about Korean culture than you. I have more Korean friends than you. I watch more K-drama than you do. YHou don't know a 10th about what's going on your own country than I do." etc. etc.

lol. I love it when people say this kind of stuff. It's especially hilarious when they go on their pilgrimage to Korea/Japan/Wherever and that somehow makes them better than the rest of the fans. And by hilarious I mean annoying as fuck.

I'm Korean and am completely oblivious.

Interestingly enough, I'm Mexican-American and I've been listening to J-Pop and K-Pop since the early 90's. Dunno how exactly that came about.
 
So the consensus between 100% pure blood korean born and raised GAF members is that western k-pop fans are worse than Korean k-pop fans?

We need to know for sure.
 
lol. I love it when people say this kind of stuff. It's especially hilarious when they go on their pilgrimage to Korea/Japan/Wherever and that somehow makes them better than the rest of the fans. And by hilarious I mean annoying as fuck.



Interestingly enough, I'm Mexican-American and I've been listening to J-Pop and K-Pop since the early 90's. Dunno how exactly that came about.

same. Well not K-pop but J-pop and j-Rock. I still have my deep deep love for vis kei.

What an avatar you have there ghst :o
Secretly a fan all along huh?

Oh shucky ducky quack quack.

What a move!
 
So forgive me if I think having a so-called K-pop thread that is almost exclusively entirely filled with girl images to be creepy. I sure don't see that anywhere else on GAF.

Eh, check the Bodyrock thread, or any thread about Adele, or really any pop star or Disney starlet at all.

There are way too many creepy girl worship enclaves on GAF.
 
Imma join the short haired hair girl with the blonde hair fan club, only because she looks the most unique and had that awkward pose at the beginning.

I don't see a problem with this, every artist has some fanatical fan club that goes beyond the realm of reason but nobody should assume that about kpop Gaf. They like hot Korean ladies(with talent?) and enjoy watching shows that show their personality. (I'm a big running man fan so ive seen them many times)
 
who are korea's envy/mono equivalents?
Actually that's a pretty good question, anyone? You can get tons of kpop recomendations on internet/GAF, what about korean post-rock/hardcore scene?

And for the lulz, just checked my most played on last.fm
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The "Kpop" in the title is misleading. Sure it focuses on kpop artists, but it's about Korean pop culture in general, not pop music. Have you seen any of the previous hot women threads? It is a thread that is entirely filled with girl images and posters being much more creepy/derogatory. At least we don't talk about creaming our pants every time a picture is posted. The difference with the Kpop thread is that it isn't 100% about the girls.
Those hot women threads were deleted. I'm sure the Kpop isn't 100% about girls, but the images that fill every single thread page are 90% girls. You can see why I would think it is creepy to see an entire sub-community on GAF filled with mostly images of Korean girls.


Do I really have to break this down? The idea of a specialized thread isn't that difficult...

  • None of us are as creepy as all of us. Bear in mind that the overall effect is the total of much smaller offerings from each one of us. Also like any specialized interest, in-jokes develop and to an outsider it can seem too deeply invested when really it develops quite passively.
  • Exoticizing Asians... Wow man, that's a really personal assumption to be making. Some of us in the thread are Asian, for some others an Asian (or multiple! *gasp*) might be their best friend in the world that they've shared life with for over a decade. Obviously I can't know and speak for the attitude of everyone in the thread, but that's the point, neither can you. Yes, you're going to find more of that mentality among western kpop fans than the general populace, but the same is true of racists in rural areas. You can't just slap that assumption on everyone who remotely matches the first one you knew. It's too personal and too harsh.
The statement of exoticism is for context. You ask me how I could think the thread is creepy, I explained it. I ask you how you know the members of that thread isn't creepy when there are no other sub-communities on GAF that devote same amount of imagery to women.

There are plenty of threads on GAF which have ended up being an image dump. The recent Christina threads have been mainly discussing her looks and posting lots of pictures.

It's the same with the K-Pop thread. The pictures are what the people are doing, the dramas some are rehearsing etc. It's hard to demonstrate things without photos to back that up. However, if you'd bothered to look past the pictures you'd see that there was conversation too about plenty of other things.
Plenty of sub-communities and threads are capable of discussion without images/gifs filling every single page of the thread(exception of Ponys). Why does this sub-community need images filling every page.

I'm gonna stop talking here mostly because I think this discussion is teetering toward mod discussions.
 
Saw this with my girlfriend last night who's a huge SNSD fan, the performance was kinda "meh" to me ("The Boys" is kind of a not great song of theirs IMO) but I still enjoyed it. The stage that they were on was also pretty small too.

But yeah, Sooyoung <3
 
K-Pop-Gaf only crosses the line when non-Korean members PM me questioning my Korean-ness.

"I know more about Korean culture than you. I have more Korean friends than you. I watch more K-drama than you do. YHou don't know a 10th about what's going on your own country than I do." etc. etc.
I wouldn't question your familiarity and connection with your own culture, but I would question your perceptions of others because it is your culture. Do you think that maybe, despite all your criticisms of it, the fact it is yours makes you leery of others who take interest?

I mean, that's the one thing I know I can't understand fully. I mean, I'm Irish, and I have some connection to that and pride in it, but I know it's not near the same level as most Koreans with their culture. When you get down to it, I'm actually just American. The culture of where I grew up has no connection to my identity and I hold no sense of possession over it.

Ultimately I can't fully understand Koreans because of that, but I consider reactions, like when Koreans ask me why I like Korean culture. What if I had grown up in Ireland? How much stronger would all of that be for me? What if, then, there were a bunch of Koreans that took interest in Irish culture? I can imagine that, and I could imagine it seeming odd. "Why?" I would wonder "It isn't yours. Why do you care?" just like some Koreans have asked me in the past. It might seem like exoticism, it might seem creepy.

So is that part of it? I mean, really, as an American I don't feel like I have a culture. It's almost like our culture is the fact that we don't have one. Sure, we have things like jazz music or something hanging around, but nothing is really handed down to you and said "This is ours" but rather you find what you like and go with it. So it's not odd for me to see Americans taking an interest in any given culture and rolling with it, and I have had friends go off to several different places in the world to stay.

I have also had plenty of friends who came here from other countries. They had practical interest which got them here, but then once they stayed for a while, they took an interest in whatever it is that makes us unique in America. I guess I don't see it because I started here, but they came from somewhere else, and retain their heritage while checking out this country. And in the midst of this, it just solidifies in my mind as something normal in the modern world. We are globalizing. Lots of people take a liking to other countries.

Anyway, those are just random ramblings on cultural identity and perception of the intentions and perspectives others hold as they take interests apart from their own culture. It's something I consider often as I want to function as a bridge of friendship between countries as globalization increases. I think it is a good thing. Food for thought.
 
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