I romanced her on my Paragon playthrough.
Hoping Ashley (ME1 Romance) and her kill each other
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I romanced her on my Paragon playthrough.
Yes.
WrenchNinja
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There was a great video explaining who should have been in the game and characters that should have been just combined into one composite character with aspects of both original character stories. IIRC, the dude was going on about combining Miranda and Jack, keeping the whole raised in a Cerberus facility backstory but also molded by TIM. Would give greater credence to Miranda's loyalty to TIM and her possible betrayal of him for you. Zaeed and Jacob would be combined too, you've got your grizzled vet with a dark past but also a dude with good inside of him. Would make Jacob not so bland.
EatChildren
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Miranda and Jacob should have been bundled into one character. Only one human Cerberus officer needed to be in the cast. Jack and Samara should have been combined as in function they're the same thing. Zaeed and Kasumi were products of running out of time I think, but the former probably could have got cut, and I would have liked to see a bigger focus on the second.
At the very least, a lot of these characters didn't necessarily need individual recruitment missions. Instead of having one mission to recruit them, and then another for their loyalty, their recruit mission should have been a core story integral mission, something that developed the overarching narrative while getting them on your team. Two birds, one stone, and still room for them to have their loyalty mission.
That way they could have kept the large cast, had you recruit everyone while still driving a main plot, and then use loyalty missions as optional side missions to expand the main plot and individual characters.
Those are my two favourite moments as well, but I think there's two under sung narrative successes, and those are the genophage and the keepers. Both are lore specific mysteries and themes introduced early on and seemingly separate from the core narrative. They're external stories. But both are introduced, unexpectedly, into the core narrative in interesting ways. The genophage becomes a major surprise theme on Virmire that forces you to confront a squad mate, and the keepers are exposed as a major part of the Reapers plan and the Prothean rebellion.
That's where Mass Effect succeeds. It teases with all these little plot threads and slowly but surely develops them all as the narrative progresses, weaving them all together in a believable way.
Just use the Mass Effect wiki. It lists all the N7 missions, so you'll know where to go to find them.
diamondstar
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I would say people that really didn't bring much to the core story.
Jacob-axed easily
Zaeed-axed easily
Samara/Morinth-the Justicar story is interesting but I don't feel it contributes to the main story
Thane-His connection to the Hanar and him being a new species is his only worth.
Arguable
Miranda-only because of her connection to Cerberus
Grunt-test tube "perfect" Krogan. Would be interesting to see how he plays into the Krogan story. Especially since he is Urdnot Grunt now.
Jack-Cerberus created biotic. I would say she is important to the core story
Kasumi-hard to say how important she is to the overall story. I guess it depends on if Keji's box was retained or destroyed and what useful information it contained.
Everyone else I feel is absolutely needed for ME3.
Thanks!
EatChildren
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I liked Zaeed as well. His loyalty mission also has one of the more interesting and unexpected turns. Plus he has fun stories to share
.Yeah, I don't get it either, I like Zaeed a lot. Wouldn't want to merge/get rid of him. Certainly ME2 had weaker characters.
Mordin was probably my favourite new character. I think they developed his story extremely well, and though I didn't agree with his decisions, when he argued for why the genophage was developed and needed, it really made me question if what he did was really wrong. I liked Thane too, but maybe because he was a new character and he had a really awesome personality.
Jacob and Miranda were too grounded and normal.
Tali and Garrus are just cool but also have nostalgia on their side.
Kasumi and Zaeed were under developed.
Samara/Morinth and Thane to an extent were too foreign and detached emotionally, though for some that probably helped Thane more than hurt him.
Grunt and Jack were great, but they werent finished, their transformations by the end of ME2 werent complete and they still have a lot of room to grow. Jack though was easy to fuck up and leave unfinished so she felt like some dumpy character.
Mordin was pure awesome.
Tali and Garrus are just cool but also have nostalgia on their side.
Kasumi and Zaeed were under developed.
Samara/Morinth and Thane to an extent were too foreign and detached emotionally, though for some that probably helped Thane more than hurt him.
Grunt and Jack were great, but they werent finished, their transformations by the end of ME2 werent complete and they still have a lot of room to grow. Jack though was easy to fuck up and leave unfinished so she felt like some dumpy character.
Mordin was pure awesome.
Push and Warp is basically a win button in this game and Normal difficulty is just made for speedruns i think, because its just too easy. Also Soldier class + pretoarian machine gun + warp ammo is just overkill, You can melt harbirger in 2 seconds
Just look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joUUecztmok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMA58KjQVzA
Comparison between Insanity and Normal
Normal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIegFDS3Sl0
Insanity - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wniO3mr3__s
And my tries of making game much harder just with messing in .ini
[i would love to have option for disabling global cooldown]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4i9U-R3mv8
Ps. Its important to have push and warp on teammates, because their skills are instant
diamondstar
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Meh.. He just was a bad ass for the sake of being a bad ass. I just didn't find his character that interesting. He was just a stone cold killer and that was it. But my dislike for his character could be a product of the execution. His one mission and one-liners were just not enough for me.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Grunt is the other obvious option.
He adds nothing to the species he represents (actually Wrex did the job much better) and it's all about rage, kill and....rage. There's a couple of times when he seems to get a bit more deep chracterization but it quickly turns into rage and killing again.
If he was a initial step to show the Krogan race he would have been fine, but Wrex not only does that better, it also goes beyond and offers a way more insightful view of the Krogans and all that while being a very good developed character.
Tali plays a pretty integrable part. Focusing on both the Quarians and Geth. Which is also why Legion was such a strong addition.
And I think Garrus has always been one of the stronger cast members. He isn't link to any of the major groups or plot points, but the connection with you. So it makes sense for him to tag along and they have developed him well enough.
They choose right with bringing those two along.
I think most people covered the few who can be cut fairly easily or re-evaluated.
Jacob, Jack, Samara, and Thane.
Jacob is boring. There is nothing to save their and no purpose to keep him.
Jack and Samara were both your biotics and neither really had an interesting back story. I'd rather of had Jack axed, and Samara's mission to be a combination of her normal and loyalty one, leading up with the choose of choosing between the two. Where the loyalty mission later on is based on the choice you made.
Thane. I actually liked the concept for him, but the execution was dull.
Eat Children said it best though. Recruiting the characters should have come naturally and even some of the loyalty missions could have been worked into normal missions.
I think Grunt was a crappy character, but he was a strong tie for Wrex, ME1, and the future of the Krogans.
Since my 360 died and that my PC is absolute crap, I'll never know if turning Kaidan renegade will actually change something. Same thing for Ashley actually liking aliens. Can't forget little things like scanning of the keepers and Samesh's wife being studied or not. For real, I want that restaurant on the Normandy!
Red Blaster
Member
Just finished ME1; saved the council for the first time ever. Boy I hope we can off Udina in ME3, smarmy douche.
EatChildren, do you know what the last conversation with Legion is?
I just ended a conversation with him where he replays the first memory of a geth speaking to a Quarian. He's absolutely the most interesting character in ME2 and unfortunately I did all the side-quests already except Arrival. So unless there are more than 1 more conversation you can have with him -- I will miss it unless there's another way to get more.
I just ended a conversation with him where he replays the first memory of a geth speaking to a Quarian. He's absolutely the most interesting character in ME2 and unfortunately I did all the side-quests already except Arrival. So unless there are more than 1 more conversation you can have with him -- I will miss it unless there's another way to get more.
The Librarian
Banned
Best game ever, if that's the case.
Fimbulvetr
Member
Were talking about the same chick that has an on/off inferiority complex, forming from her extremely privileged life, as a major issue?Enduin said:
I wish I was fortunate enough that I could consider someone complaining about being the 1% to be grounded and normal.
This is true, but Im not even sure how its possible since they were the two worst characters in ME1 next to Kaiden.Enduin said:
They were much better in ME2, though I wish theyd actually give more than 5 seconds of consideration to Shepard dying.
Ohh pushaw, I know a dozen girls just like Miranda, just minus the whole genetically bread from her fathers DNA, its not that deep a problem. They should have given her like schizophrenia or something. I like both of them a lot though still, Im not for the whole merge the characters idea.
And yeah I was thinking about what you said when I was writing that about Tali, not so much Garrus I still loved him in ME1. I think its the just ME1 bump, just being a part of the original game which was so awesome and new when it came out, they automatically got elevated with it.
Fimbulvetr
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Garrus isn’t really worth much in ME1 either. Better than Tali for actually having a character arc, but the arc itself is extremely barebones.Enduin said:
He complains about all the red tape he has to deal with as an officer. You either tell him it’s necessary or agree with him. Repeat that conversation a few more times but with slightly different context each time.
Skip to killing Dr.Heart where he pretty much complains about the same thing again, only this time he resolves to restructure his entire life based on what Shep says despite not really getting it those other times. And that’s mostly it save for a one-off comparison with Saren, which is pretty damn weird since the player doesn’t even know what Saren is about at that point(and when you do find out it barely even applies to Garrus outside them both being turians).
In the hierarchy of ME1 squad mates he’s 4th place in terms of development.
Recruited Grunt. I don't like him as much as I like (read: LOVE) Wrex but he'll do for my party. His shotgun is DEVASTATING. Holy shit. Like 4 shots at level 6 in the Jail and killed a person, upgrade his Krogan class for health regen and he's damn near unstoppable.
Recruited Jack. I don't mind her, but I feel her outfit is trying to be too punk-y for punks sake. And as a fan of the punk movement it makes me gag. Do we really need to see her itty-bitty titties hanging out with a thin rope covering her nipples? Just to show more tattoos and "OH I'M A BADASS!" :| That said, I don't mind her characterization and actually like her over Miranda so far.
Disappointed Kasumi and Zaeed don't have conversations besides small set-pieces. But I do enjoy their quips.
Went to Horizon. Not too bad and got the Warp trophy on the collectors (ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL!) Harbinger wasn't too bad. Just pop him with Grunt's shotgun and Garrus' sniper rifle (buffed to damage armor, buffed for more damage on both, Grunt's special shotgun because it's DEVASTATING) and keeping in cover while they worked on him.
Get to the end... CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE like 5 times against these bastards while using the Collector Particle Beam on them to freeze them. Waste of heavy ammo, I guess but got the job done instead of praying their ground attack wouldn't kill me.
Struggle a bit but nothing too bad for the two waves. Then come to this asshole that takes me 20 attempts to beat. A little insane (on Insanity) for a level 7 Shepard Adept. Garrus and Grunt both died around like 10% of his armor gone. Got him to glitch near the door we come in through and warped his barrier away. He didn't ground-pound to bring it back up except near a barrel that seemed to remove it again and I just warped him to death while avoiding his stupid beam. Lucked out, but fuck that fight and fuck running around while trying to damage him only to have him bring that barrier back up and have to redo the work of taking it down to even kill him. Ugh.
Illusive Man gave me three more dossiers, so I'm going to go recruit them on Sunday before doing the loyalty missions and thinking about the final mission.
Recruited Jack. I don't mind her, but I feel her outfit is trying to be too punk-y for punks sake. And as a fan of the punk movement it makes me gag. Do we really need to see her itty-bitty titties hanging out with a thin rope covering her nipples? Just to show more tattoos and "OH I'M A BADASS!" :| That said, I don't mind her characterization and actually like her over Miranda so far.
Disappointed Kasumi and Zaeed don't have conversations besides small set-pieces. But I do enjoy their quips.
Went to Horizon. Not too bad and got the Warp trophy on the collectors (ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL!) Harbinger wasn't too bad. Just pop him with Grunt's shotgun and Garrus' sniper rifle (buffed to damage armor, buffed for more damage on both, Grunt's special shotgun because it's DEVASTATING) and keeping in cover while they worked on him.
Get to the end... CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE like 5 times against these bastards while using the Collector Particle Beam on them to freeze them. Waste of heavy ammo, I guess but got the job done instead of praying their ground attack wouldn't kill me.
Struggle a bit but nothing too bad for the two waves. Then come to this asshole that takes me 20 attempts to beat. A little insane (on Insanity) for a level 7 Shepard Adept. Garrus and Grunt both died around like 10% of his armor gone. Got him to glitch near the door we come in through and warped his barrier away. He didn't ground-pound to bring it back up except near a barrel that seemed to remove it again and I just warped him to death while avoiding his stupid beam. Lucked out, but fuck that fight and fuck running around while trying to damage him only to have him bring that barrier back up and have to redo the work of taking it down to even kill him. Ugh.
Illusive Man gave me three more dossiers, so I'm going to go recruit them on Sunday before doing the loyalty missions and thinking about the final mission.
overburning
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This is probably the game(s) that I have replayed the most, time to dig it up once again to prepare for ME3.
Keep clicking on Zaeed. He has some decent stories to tell. Easily one of my favorite characters from the second game.
Spoiler - All of his stories. The man gets results.
EatChildren
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Click on them after every main mission (recruit, story, and loyalty) and they usually have something to say.
Yeah, that's what I've been doing. Zaeed's are entertaining. About how he fought a whole bunch of Krogans a bunch of men around him died but he was generally the sole survivor.
Kasumi is good for the crew member quips, but other than unlocking the ability to drink and get drunk more than once, she's basically doing Joker's quipping of party members but on the crew.
Joker talking about Garrus "having a stick up his ass, but now he's pulled it out and is beating people to death with it" is amusing.
I do need to upgrade more of my stuff, but I dunno if there is anymore stores besides Omega and the Citadel in the game, since you don't really land on any planets outside of story/recruiting. :/ Upgrading the sniper rifle and shotgun (and pistols) would be useful for my party... as would the tech buff for better Warps.
I did unlock the "respec" thingy that is for Shepard only but I'm not too sure how useful that is: If you respec, do you keep your unlocked powers to put points in without having to go to 2 for a power to get them to unlock? Or is it really not important since you can basically hit 4 in all 4-5 powers for the characters by getting them to level 30 anyway?
Kasumi is good for the crew member quips, but other than unlocking the ability to drink and get drunk more than once, she's basically doing Joker's quipping of party members but on the crew.
Joker talking about Garrus "having a stick up his ass, but now he's pulled it out and is beating people to death with it" is amusing.
I do need to upgrade more of my stuff, but I dunno if there is anymore stores besides Omega and the Citadel in the game, since you don't really land on any planets outside of story/recruiting. :/ Upgrading the sniper rifle and shotgun (and pistols) would be useful for my party... as would the tech buff for better Warps.
I did unlock the "respec" thingy that is for Shepard only but I'm not too sure how useful that is: If you respec, do you keep your unlocked powers to put points in without having to go to 2 for a power to get them to unlock? Or is it really not important since you can basically hit 4 in all 4-5 powers for the characters by getting them to level 30 anyway?
ProtoCents
Banned
Alright, I'm in.
But first I have to read the books!
/Vinny
But first I have to read the books!
/Vinny
shingonation
Member
Deception doesn't exist!
EatChildren
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Nah, respecing starts you from scratch so you still need to put two points on one skill to unlock the one under.
You cant max out everything by level 30, so I think its mostly for players who are unhappy with what they chose to max out, and which bonus they chose at the end of each tree.
SuicideUZI
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Is there any chance someone who has the default shepherd and romance story with Liara thru ME 1 and 2 would send me their game saves?
I played the first ME on xbox and then decided to play 2 on PC so I already didnt have my game save from the first one, and I dont really feel like or have the time to play through both games again
So If anyone could that would be great
I played the first ME on xbox and then decided to play 2 on PC so I already didnt have my game save from the first one, and I dont really feel like or have the time to play through both games again
So If anyone could that would be great
ThoseDeafMutes
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Is there any chance someone who has the default shepherd and romance story with Liara thru ME 1 and 2 would send me their game saves?
I played the first ME on xbox and then decided to play 2 on PC so I already didnt have my game save from the first one, and I dont really feel like or have the time to play through both games again
So If anyone could that would be great
www.masseffectsaves.com
~Enjoy
Oh, lame. :/ Way to not read what you're getting and plan ahead, dudes. (But really: Warp 4 + unstable warp or shorter cooldown to spam it more, screw push, put 4 in each characters class skill and give them a shorter cooldown unless the other buff is good)
More worried I'm spreading myself thin to unlock these powers on Shepard than I am if I'm doing decent since the only issue I'm running into is getting 2 squad points per main story mission while I'm only like level 2 on two-three powers and Warp on my Adept Shepard is the only level 3 power so far.
EatChildren
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By the end of the game you'll be able to max out five skills and have one point on another, or any combination of 51 skill points.
So essentially, if you do want to max stuff out, you'll only have one skill you cant use. But if you're unhappy, that is what the respec is for.
So essentially, if you do want to max stuff out, you'll only have one skill you cant use. But if you're unhappy, that is what the respec is for
.Alright, that's good to hear!
Whoever is doing the OT for ME3 needs to have this link in like size 300 font bolded, reded and at the top of the OT above all other things cause people are constantly save begging in ME threads and the ME3 OT will probably be rife with such posts. Not that theres anything wrong with it, but this is an amazing resource and people should know about it without having to ask and shouldnt just be shoved at the very bottom of the OT where it can easily be overlooked. I know Ive linked it to at least 6 people in the last 2 days.
You still have people begging for codes in the Steam thread, even with no begging in the title. It is always a lost fight.
Fine Ham Abounds
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I've had this plan to play through ME1 and ME2 before 3 came out, but like the rest of my backlog, it never seems to happen. Certainly can't happen before March now.
No matter how bad EA keeps trying to convince me ME3 will be, my hype seems to be impervious to common sense. Much like Uncharted 3, I'm sure this will be something I will thoroughly enjoy one time through, then proceed to bitch about for a month.
No matter how bad EA keeps trying to convince me ME3 will be, my hype seems to be impervious to common sense. Much like Uncharted 3, I'm sure this will be something I will thoroughly enjoy one time through, then proceed to bitch about for a month.
Yeah that list looks very organized. I was hoping there was some mod to just mark these in game, but this'll do just fine. Thanks.
You can if your characters abused the skill point exploit. Which may corrupt imports... Thank you for the save editor gibbed.
brokenbeans
Banned
Time for a second play through of ME2 me thinks.
So,
I am replaying the series getting ready for ME3. On my first play through I romanced Liara and then Tali in ME2. And on this new play through I am going with Ashley and will probably end up gunning for Miranda in the second game.
Since Ashley is back in the third game, have they stated that if you romanced her, and then someone else in the second game if that was going to have adverse affects on her romance subplot in the third game? I kinda think it would be cool if it did, since it would make for interesting conversations but I still want the ability to finish that story line with her in the third game.
I am replaying the series getting ready for ME3. On my first play through I romanced Liara and then Tali in ME2. And on this new play through I am going with Ashley and will probably end up gunning for Miranda in the second game.
Since Ashley is back in the third game, have they stated that if you romanced her, and then someone else in the second game if that was going to have adverse affects on her romance subplot in the third game? I kinda think it would be cool if it did, since it would make for interesting conversations but I still want the ability to finish that story line with her in the third game.
EatChildren
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They've implied that the way you've handled relationships will be noted in Mass Effect 3, including a shift in parter, and romancing a character only to have them die in the suicide mission. But we don't know exactly what will happen.
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