PdotMichael
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Lan vs. Mei is the wrong discussion. Both are top tier characters.
Winter 2012 Anime Thread of Roundcats Up in This
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Lan vs. Mei is the wrong discussion. Both are top tier characters.
Unknown Soldier
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Aw, you're no fun. Young Laffinty is a tier above both Mei and Present-Day Lan though. Young Laffinty is a HNNNNNNGH level which is impossible to gauge!
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Man Another is so much better in anime form. Way easier to follow.
How much of that is due to her appearance as opposed to Asami Seto's voice?
edit: well, I guess that gif answers that.
PdotMichael
Banned
I love the art style of the manga.
I say with an art style more like the manga adaptation. And the anime would be even better.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Yeah, so do I.
I could have been tired when I read it but the exposition in this episode just made more sense watching it than reading it. Which is funny because im reading the subtitles after all.
When I read this in the manga I had no clue what was going on.
I could have been tired when I read it but the exposition in this episode just made more sense watching it than reading it. Which is funny because im reading the subtitles after all.
When I read this in the manga I had no clue what was going on.
I also liked it very much. I think the anime's art style is great too, though.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
It looks like the anime got a massive downgrade in character design then.
Unknown Soldier
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Nah, Mei was super-hot in the manga but she's super-cute in the anime! I like her character design in both! It's a win-win if you watch the anime and read the manga afterward! That's what I'm planning to do!
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
January 30 through February 5 rankings
Temporal sales largely unchanged except for Shana bumping up to #9 on vol 2 sales.
Amusing how only Totoro's existence on the DVD chart forces it to a seven-digit format.
First Gundam AGE numbers will be next week.
Try Unite not even making 8k sales is a travesty, should be #1.
Temporal sales largely unchanged except for Shana bumping up to #9 on vol 2 sales.
Amusing how only Totoro's existence on the DVD chart forces it to a seven-digit format.
First Gundam AGE numbers will be next week.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Persona 4 can't be stopped! You can only hope to slow it down!
PERU! SOH! NAH!
Steins;Gate is doing very well for itself, this is good news. I guess it means we can look forward to a Robotics;Notes anime later this year!
PERU! SOH! NAH!
Steins;Gate is doing very well for itself, this is good news. I guess it means we can look forward to a Robotics;Notes anime later this year!
I want to like that P4's selling, I really do, as it means that Atlus will give in to the idea of adaptations with even less reluctance, but it's such a shit cash-in. (No offense to those watching; aesthetically, it just is. 100% troof.) If not wanting to even remotely see any more shit from Atlus like this is wrong, I don't want to be right.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
If Persona 4: The Cartoon gives Atlus enough money to justify more awesome ventures like Catherine then that's cool with me.
Naisho no Hanashi is a good song though.
PdotMichael
Banned
or a new real Persona title...
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
I'll take more Catherine.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Well there's that too.
Addendum: Catherine would be much better suited to an anime adaptation, as long as they keep it one cour only.
On the other hand, they might lolify Catherine.
True, but the Try Unite single also has Hello, Pumpkin Cake, and the Rasmeg Duo edit. Can't beat that.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
The truly sad note about that fact is that SHAFT will very likely be rewarded for their mediocrity. Again.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Aesthetically, yeah, it's a piece of shit. But it's also one of the funniest anime I've seen.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
yosuke: we old now we making old people jokes
teddie: just kidding i had this convenient rpg spell i could have used from the beginning status effects are for losersssssssssssssssssssss
NeonZ
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I think they're setting up one of the classmates to be the ghost, not the MC... It's said that the ghost has something like a physical body, but it's also explained that it's class 3 specifically that's closer to the dead. It makes no sense for someone like the MC, who has been acknowledged by multiple outsiders on screen to be the ghost.
On the other hand, most of Class 3 hasn't had interactions with outsiders at all, so it seems like they've been keeping them like that exactly for the mystery. If the MC does turn out to be the ghost, it means that a bunch of scenes that we saw with outsiders interacting with him are just the memory manipulation factor at play, representing the fake memories created by the ghost, and that'd be a big cop out considering how the show is clearly told from the MC's point of view.
On the other hand, most of Class 3 hasn't had interactions with outsiders at all, so it seems like they've been keeping them like that exactly for the mystery. If the MC does turn out to be the ghost, it means that a bunch of scenes that we saw with outsiders interacting with him are just the memory manipulation factor at play, representing the fake memories created by the ghost, and that'd be a big cop out considering how the show is clearly told from the MC's point of view.
Unknown Soldier
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SHAFT have been rewarded with their mediocrity over and over again. Why would they stop now when the someone just turned on the Nise money firehose?
Lighten up, it was a pretty hilarious "realistic" application of the game's "Eneveration" status ailment which inflicted the status "Old".
While you have point, we have to keep it 'real'; Catherine couldn't have cost Atlus more than the equivalent of $10 and few packets of ramen.
I'm kidding there, of course. But really, I highly doubt that Atlus would have had an issue funding Catherine otherwise. P3 and P4 had done them well. And it truly doesn't seem as if it was all that risky a venture: my uneducated supposition.
Pumpkin cake~
And, you know, I don't even doubt that, at all. P4 had a ton of hilarious scenarios.
Unknown Soldier
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I believe you were one the people arguing that Mei was real. Since you were correct about this theory, I am paying attention to what you say here. I need to watch episode 5 again before I can think about it some more. The show seems to purposely throw red herrings at you, such as throwing in lots of hints that Mei didn't exist only to reveal she does. So you may be right here and Kouichi being the ghost is the new red herring, replacing Mei is dead/a ghost/doesn't exist.
There were a lot of anime cutscenes in Catherine, Atlus had to pay the studio to animate those you know!
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
i fucking hate otaku
The joke relies on your knowledge of the game's mechanics. It's eye candy for fans of the game. It is not funny by its own merit, much less a traditional setup/pay-off structure. It relies entirely on the context of the work as an adaptation of a video game and does not work in any other environment.
tl;dr not good comedy
Yumeria - 02
If Tomokazu's personality wasn't what it was, there is no way that expression of his would have worked for this scene. A chuckles worth I reward thee.
Speaking of the other worthwhile joke this episode, the one involving Neneko would have been decently amusing if it was insinuated Mizuki and Tomokazu were 'studying' or anything sexually implicit (yes, childish sex jokes. Sue me), but the entire setup was bland and makes the joke fall flat when the mood simply isn't there for such a crude joke sadly.
Should have been an instant hit.
As for the ongoing plot, it's really hard to bother to care when the mystique of it isn't anything startling. The lack of any dissonance for when we switch from reality to a dream sequence or vice versa is disappointing because the tension is lacking in this series so far, making the imouto's innocent plight deaf.
If Tomokazu's personality wasn't what it was, there is no way that expression of his would have worked for this scene. A chuckles worth I reward thee.
Speaking of the other worthwhile joke this episode, the one involving Neneko would have been decently amusing if it was insinuated Mizuki and Tomokazu were 'studying' or anything sexually implicit (yes, childish sex jokes. Sue me), but the entire setup was bland and makes the joke fall flat when the mood simply isn't there for such a crude joke sadly.
Come on, first experience? And it was exciting? Dude, was a beast?
As for the ongoing plot, it's really hard to bother to care when the mystique of it isn't anything startling. The lack of any dissonance for when we switch from reality to a dream sequence or vice versa is disappointing because the tension is lacking in this series so far, making the imouto's innocent plight deaf.
KO Traveling Hobo
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I wouldn't expect a bacon-faced strumpet like you to understand.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
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Also ironic considering I've been very vocal about my love for P4:Cartoon. I just don't think any piece of media that relies on outside source material to maintain a sense of entertainment value to be inherently good.
Yeah so that's what I meant to bring up earlier.
As you said the main thing working against the MC being the "extra class member" is that it was implied that only Class 3 and those in the school would be affected by the ghost. We've seen Kouichi talking to many people outside of class so that kind of puts him in an odd position. At the same time though, if it were as simple as people unrelated to the school being unaffected by the curse or memory manipulation surely they could have simply used an outsider to find out who the ghost student is after all these years.
However now that I am thinking about it, one important factor in all this is Mei's dead cousin. As we know she died just prior to Kouichi's arrival, which presumably points to her death happening just after school started. Would that actually make her the first death related to Class 3? That would effectively rule out Kouichi as he was not in town at the time.
However now that I am thinking about it, one important factor in all this is Mei's dead cousin. As we know she died just prior to Kouichi's arrival, which presumably points to her death happening just after school started. Would that actually make her the first death related to Class 3? That would effectively rule out Kouichi as he was not in town at the time.
Their goal for Catherine was 100k units (they exceeded that). So it was kind of expensive for Atlus/Index. It isn't AC or anything, but it wasn't NIS/Idea Factory level either.
Sales expectation != budget. Don't mistake the two. For example, Capcom's expectation of MH3G was to ship 1.2 million by the end of March 2012. That doesn't mean that if it does less they won't break even. MH is a relatively cheap series to make. It has high sales expectations because the brand name is wrong.
In the same way, expectations for an Atlus game by the Persona team would not have the same expectations of an Idea Factory game even if the actual game cost the same to make, simply because the staff brand is much stronger in the market.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
It's hard for me to judge because of obvious biases, but I think that Yu and Yousuke's antics are funny enough on their own.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
The comedy during the Summer two-parter and the trip to Persona 3 city worked because it was the anime's own interpretation of those events. You could watch those three episodes without having any knowledge of the original source material and nothing would be lost besides the fanservice. Charlie and Yosuke getting enervated and subsequently healed by jRPG logicks doesn't work without that background, and it contributes nothing to the episode besides filling up time.
I did fist-pump when Charlie summoned a high-level Persona, mind you.
Razgriz-Specter
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Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni Kira 4
Best episode of the Kira OVAs for sure. liked the Hanyu Rika relationship focus.
Great place imo for the franchise to end.
Really wish I could watch the entire series for the first time again.
remains one of my favorite anime characters.
Best episode of the Kira OVAs for sure. liked the Hanyu Rika relationship focus.
Great place imo for the franchise to end.
Really wish I could watch the entire series for the first time again.
remains one of my favorite anime characters.
Unknown Soldier
Member
You raise a few interesting points here which I think have been glossed over.
Why was Mei originally chosen to be ignored? Her cousin died in late April, then Mei started getting ignored on May 1st. This implies that the class's decision may have been motivated by this, maybe they felt that the best person to ignore was the person whose family member died, possibly triggering the curse? This may have been compounded by the fact that her surname is Misaki, which relates to the original student who died 26 years ago. She might be from the same family or have relatives who connect to the original dead Misaki. Or maybe her name just sounds like the dead one's, which made the class uncomfortable. There is still no evidence her 'Misaki' is written like the dead student's 'Misaki', after all.
So it's possible that Mei is already associated with the curse even before Kouichi arrives, unless you consider that Kouichi arrived in town sometime before the events of the show began, possibly weeks before. Remember that he was hospitalized with pneumothorax for an unknown period of time before the first episode, and the first episode is already late April around when Mei's cousin died and she went to visit, meeting Kouichi for the first time. The show is deliberately vague about all this, of course.
One thing which is very notable is the way Izumi keeps telling Kouichi she feels like she knows him. She asks him point blank the day they meet (which was pushed up in the anime, Izumi doesn't meet Kouichi until later in the manga) if he lived there before because he seems familiar to her. This might be a huge red herring, or it might be important. If Izumi survives until the end of the show, we might find out at the very end what that meant.
I still wonder about Reiko, Kouichi's dead mother. Sometimes I feel like they'll pull a The Sixth Sense on us and Kouichi is the ghost of his dead mother or something similarly rage-inducing. Reiko might end up being important, and certainly they seem to be setting something up between Kouichi's aunt and his dead mother, an event which occurred in the past which may end up being important. Remember that Kouichi's mother and aunt both attended Curse North or whatever it's called but weren't in the same class together but both were in Class 3.
I've said enough tonight, I need some shut-eye.
Why was Mei originally chosen to be ignored? Her cousin died in late April, then Mei started getting ignored on May 1st. This implies that the class's decision may have been motivated by this, maybe they felt that the best person to ignore was the person whose family member died, possibly triggering the curse? This may have been compounded by the fact that her surname is Misaki, which relates to the original student who died 26 years ago. She might be from the same family or have relatives who connect to the original dead Misaki. Or maybe her name just sounds like the dead one's, which made the class uncomfortable. There is still no evidence her 'Misaki' is written like the dead student's 'Misaki', after all.
So it's possible that Mei is already associated with the curse even before Kouichi arrives, unless you consider that Kouichi arrived in town sometime before the events of the show began, possibly weeks before. Remember that he was hospitalized with pneumothorax for an unknown period of time before the first episode, and the first episode is already late April around when Mei's cousin died and she went to visit, meeting Kouichi for the first time. The show is deliberately vague about all this, of course.
One thing which is very notable is the way Izumi keeps telling Kouichi she feels like she knows him. She asks him point blank the day they meet (which was pushed up in the anime, Izumi doesn't meet Kouichi until later in the manga) if he lived there before because he seems familiar to her. This might be a huge red herring, or it might be important. If Izumi survives until the end of the show, we might find out at the very end what that meant.
I still wonder about Reiko, Kouichi's dead mother. Sometimes I feel like they'll pull a The Sixth Sense on us and Kouichi is the ghost of his dead mother or something similarly rage-inducing. Reiko might end up being important, and certainly they seem to be setting something up between Kouichi's aunt and his dead mother, an event which occurred in the past which may end up being important. Remember that Kouichi's mother and aunt both attended Curse North or whatever it's called but weren't in the same class together but both were in Class 3.
I've said enough tonight, I need some shut-eye.
Nise 5
I don't like this, I'm starting to question if I even liked Bakemono. I think I liked the youkai stories in Bake.. I liked that the youkai stories were presented in an interesting way but don't find anything enjoyable about the characters. Now in Nise the focus changed to the characters I find myself really bored by the whole thing.
I don't like this, I'm starting to question if I even liked Bakemono. I think I liked the youkai stories in Bake.. I liked that the youkai stories were presented in an interesting way but don't find anything enjoyable about the characters. Now in Nise the focus changed to the characters I find myself really bored by the whole thing.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Regular Sawa is fine too.
She's mega-hot when she's regular mode, and super hot in teacher mode. <3
Man, if she doesn't voice her in Mysterious Girl X, I probably won't watch it.Also, I'll only watch Mysterious Girlfriend X ifChiaki voices the main girl.
She's just the best.
I know it's funny saying this 5 episodes in, but it's too early to say it's changed focus to the characters, they practically spent 4 episodes re-introducing all the characters with the plot starting to move in episode 4. Things are certainly moving far slower than in Bakemono.
Aquarion Evol 6
The NTR potential here is off the charts. I knew there was a reason to keep watching this. Also, Andy getting gattaiblocked was amusing.
Oh and some bishie may or may not have bit it
but who gives a crap about that? NTR!
The NTR potential here is off the charts. I knew there was a reason to keep watching this. Also, Andy getting gattaiblocked was amusing.
Oh and some bishie may or may not have bit it
(yeah right, as if they were gonna put a stop to dat homotension)
NeonZ
Member
Another
I think the memory manipulation affects everyone and everything. That's why there was the comment about trying to compare documents being useless to find out the ghost's identity. On the other hand, I think the ghost only actually appears as a physical seemingly living person to the members of Class 3, with outsiders only acknowleding the ghost being "alive" due to the memory manipulation aspect.
That's actually the one thing that suggests Koichi might be the ghost, although I think it'd be an unsatisfying answer. Wasn't it said that the ghost was always a former class 3 student? She might vague memories of him due to the memory manipulation erasing his existence (and death) from their minds. On the other hand, if that were the case, I think it wouldn't be only her recognizing him, we should have gotten several hints from other students too, so it might be just a red herring.
Like I said before, with the way the class has been handled on screen, mostly avoiding letting most classmates be acknowledged by people outside of the class itself, the ghost should be just one of the other classmates. Making Koichi the ghost would mean making this an unreliable narrative, which I don't think works well for a show that seems to be following his point of view almost exclusively.
Like I said before, with the way the class has been handled on screen, mostly avoiding letting most classmates be acknowledged by people outside of the class itself, the ghost should be just one of the other classmates. Making Koichi the ghost would mean making this an unreliable narrative, which I don't think works well for a show that seems to be following his point of view almost exclusively.
They should totally rush it out for this year, if only to increase the already large amount of nostalgia driven offerings.
RPG_Fanatic
Member
Spring 2012 shows I will be watching
Definitely:
Kore wa Zombie Desu ka? Jigokuhen
Sankarea
Eureka Seven Ao
Mysterious Girlfriend X
Saint Seiya Omega
Undecided:
Zetman
Acchi Kocchi
Hyou-ka
Definitely:
Kore wa Zombie Desu ka? Jigokuhen
Sankarea
Eureka Seven Ao
Mysterious Girlfriend X
Saint Seiya Omega
Undecided:
Zetman
Acchi Kocchi
Hyou-ka
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