I have a Del-ton that I bought last year. It's been flawless so far with about 1000 rounds fired. I put an Eotech 517 holographic on it, and I have absolutely no complaints. Great quality for a good price. I think I paid 750 for the rifle here in the SF bay area. Big thumbs up for Del-ton from me.
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Ah, yeah, not too many companies like to ship lowers to CA, tricky one.
Ah, good luck.
That will run just fine, but be aware it has no forward assist or dust cover. If you will only be using it the range, those are probably not big deals anyway.
Yeah. I figure it'd be a great starter AR that I can always sell down the road. A guy did a torture test by leaving the rifle out in the rain with the bolt open as well as throwing it into gravel. He put 1000 rounds with a couple misfires due to a faulty mag. Like everything else in life, it just needed a little lube.
I have a regular XD in the 9 flavor and nothing but praises for it. I always hated .40 though. Too much snap, and no more expensive than .45.
hmm i didnt feel like it kicked that much, but i almost never shoot pistols. Thinking about getting one and getting my concealed license. Glad to hear you like your 9.
It's a preference really, I've only shot handguns and my XD9 with +P rounds fire more smoothly than the XD40. .40 only became standard because those FBI guys with Alex Smith hands couldn't handle a .45. Which I think is easier to shoot than a .40 and I have small Alex Smith hands.
Kevitivity
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My Beretta 96fs
I also have an SKS as well as a cheap little 25cal boot gun.
I also have an SKS as well as a cheap little 25cal boot gun.
Old Gimlet Eyes
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Not here in California, XDM's aren't available to the public for sale. I really enjoy my Xd45 tactical and my XD9mm sub-compact though. Both are really sweet shooters and super reliable. 2000k+ rounds through the .45 with no malfunctions and about 1000k+ through the 9mm with 1 malfunction (FTE). I really would like to get my hands on that new XDS45 but I am quite certain it won't be sold in California.
Lots of good polymer pistols on the market though. Springfield XD/XDM, Glock and Smith & Wesson M&P are all really sweet guns. Can't go wrong with any of them.
MisterNoisy
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Finally added a 1911-pattern pistol to the collection. Won't get to shoot it until tomorrow, but I've already put a set of Pachmayr wraparounds on it:
Nice gun, I loved my M9 back when. The slide mounted safety always throws me off a bit though. How does it shoot in .40?My Beretta 96fs
I also have an SKS as well as a cheap little 25cal boot gun.
Pics!
I'd love to show you guys some pics, but this is California. I have to wait 10 days to cool off before I can pick up my gun.
Anybody have the Primary Arms Micro Dot? It's an Aimpoint Micro Dot clone for $80, gotten good reviews so far. Thinking about picking that up along with a Magpul MOE handguard and vertical grip attachment. Then I SHOULD be set.
Anybody have the Primary Arms Micro Dot? It's an Aimpoint Micro Dot clone for $80, gotten good reviews so far. Thinking about picking that up along with a Magpul MOE handguard and vertical grip attachment. Then I SHOULD be set.
You have 11 days to get us pics...
No idea on the PA microdot, but for $80 as long as it works you should be good.
Kevitivity
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The Beretta in .40 is an absolute pleasure to shoot. My shooting buddy has a Glock in .45 that I've compared it to many times. As awesome as Glocks are, I personally find that gun very uncomfortable. That said, I have been considering the Glock 23 as a backup...
The Beretta, with Hogue grips, is such a joy to hold and shoot and fits my hand like a glove. I prefer the strong "pop" of a .40 over the .45 too.
Depends on a couple things, but it is easiest to think of them as seperate sighting systems. When the dot is working, you ignore the irons, and when the dot fails, you use the irons. When I think about it like that, lower seems better than cowitness since it gives you the largest unobstructed fov when the irons are up.There's no real wrong or right answer though. Remember you will need to sight in your red dot the same as if you got new iron sights, so you use it independently. It doesn't matter if the dot is lined up with the irons, the bullet will go where the dot is as long as you get it sighted in correctly.
Cool, never really been into .40's, but I might have to try them out when I get back. Basically illegal here in Australia unless you do metal silhouette shooting at a licensed club. Anything over .38 is banned unless you do metal sil shooting, so .357 and 9mm is about the only thing going here. Can't wait to get back to the states for a while!
Fuck, I spent the entire day/night just looking up mods for my AR that I don't have. I find it hilarious that I have a Magpul MOE handguard and vertical grip on hold with my shop that I bought my AR from. They're ordering me some PMags as they ran out.
I think I should get used to my iron sights before I order a red dot sight. I actually have my heart set on the PA Micro Dot and flip to side deluxe magnifier. Should set me back another $250 or so. At that point though, I should just save up for an Aimpoint, but $400 for a red dot sight just seems insane for a range gun.
I think I should get used to my iron sights before I order a red dot sight. I actually have my heart set on the PA Micro Dot and flip to side deluxe magnifier. Should set me back another $250 or so. At that point though, I should just save up for an Aimpoint, but $400 for a red dot sight just seems insane for a range gun.
ArachosiA 78
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So I bought myself a 12-guage shotgun about last Summer for the impending zombie apocalypse, and the thing is...I'm afraid to try it out. Having never fired a gun, I'm afraid I might load it incorrectly and the barrel will explode or something. Is this a reasonable fear? I can't find anyone to show me how to use it. Would it be a really dumb idea to just go out in a field and test it out by myself?
Best bet is to take a gun safety course, then maybe get something a little easier to learn on, like a .22 rifle or something, then step up to the shotgun. Got to be ready for those zombies man!
It is virtually impossible to screw up a shotgun. The shells will only load one way (shiny metal part is the back of the shell) and the bore is so large you cant really have a kaboom like you might with a rifle or pistol.
Ill tell you what will happen. You will load and get ready to shoot. You wont tuck the stock tightly against your shoulder and that first shot will kick like a mule. You will either put it down forever or have the biggest grin on your face as you become a lifelong shooter
Do your self a favor though, wear good ear and eye protection. Is is the sound of the gun that causes the flinch andfear of hurting your eyes causes folks to closethem just before they shoot. Good muffs and wrap around glasses help prevent this.
Like the other post said, a gun safety course is great but if you don't take one just buy some bird shot and goto your local range. Any of the employees there will quickly show you how to properly handle and fire your shotgun. They'd rather spend 5 minutes showing you than have you do something dumb.
Also just be confident. The gun may be intimidating but it's not rocket science. Trust the gun and yourself and you'll laugh at how easy everything is.
BattleMonkey
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Just learn to shoot the shotgun right and how to hold it. First time I shot one, I got a massive bruise on my shoulder. They kick like hell with buckshot so you might want to try some birdshot first and practice proper holding/stance
MisterNoisy
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Just got back from the range, and I think I'm in love with my new pistol. Holy crap, that thing is an absolute tack driver.
Who is the manufacturer on that, can't make it out. Good to hear you like it!
MisterNoisy
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It's a ParaUSA GI Expert - basically their 'stripped down' 1911 - the only thing fancy about it is the skeleton hammer (and the grips).
I can't get over how nice the trigger is on even a 'cheap' 1911 after shooting mostly DA/SA semis for so long - it's like night and day.
Nice one, how much?
MisterNoisy
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I paid $550 NiB at the local Academy Sports. At the time of purchase, I was looking at it and the (very similar in price and style) Remington R1, and the Para just felt a little 'tighter', so I went with it.
ArachosiA 78
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Thanks for the gun advice, guys. I think I'll test it out on my next day off. Really looking forward to it!
Before you go shooting, read and memorize the basic gun saftey rules :http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp
As long as you follow those rules you'll be sure to have a ton of fun.
Might be too big, but they look like they do good work, and theyhave a lot of stain options available: http://www.handcraftedtraditions.com/
gregor7777
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Is a Ruger 10-22 a reasonable gun to get to learn how to shoot? It will probably be my only gun for a few years. Will I want to upgrade soon after I learn how to shoot it? (buyers remorse?)
I've hear good things about the quality and ammo is cheap.
What about zombies? If I become a good shot, will I stand a chance?
I've hear good things about the quality and ammo is cheap.
What about zombies? If I become a good shot, will I stand a chance?
Ruger 10-22 is like the best gun to start with. They are super cheap, and near infinitely customizable.
That upgradeability negates any buyers remorse. I bought a 10-22 as one of my first guns and pretty much the only thing left on it is the action. New stock, bull barrel, optics, etc, etc, etc. You start off with the bare bones model shooting DIRT CHEAP ammo from walmart, and then you can upgrade the gun and ammo as you get better/want more accuracy.
.22lr isn't the deadliest of rounds, but it'll pierce through a rotting skull and bounce around... so assuming your aim is decent you don't have to worry about zombies.
gregor7777
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Nice, yeah, I've heard similiar advice now a few times. Thanks.
Looks like I'm paying around $200 or so? That sound about right?
EDIT: yeah, I've seen some of the pics of people modding the 10-22 and it doesn't look like it came from the same gun. Crazy. Like, fake tactical rifles. They look pretty cool actually.
Yeah, depending on the model they go from like $200 to $250. I'd recommend getting one as cheap as you can, I'd lay odds on you wanting to replace almost every part on it eventually.
Mine is pretty neat, after a few practice shots pretty much anyone can hit a quarter at 200 yards without even really trying.
gregor7777
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Cool, thanks for the advice.
In CA it's not so bad if you're willing to assemble it yourself and make sure to take care that the bullet button is functioning properly. The big question is, are there any nearby FFLs that are reasonable regarding transfers, or do any of them sell stripped lowers at decent prices (around $100)? Personally, if I were currently putting together an AR, I'd get a rifle kit (everything except stripped lower, but including lower parts kit) from Palmetto State Armory with MOE furniture for around $600, and with the stripped lower that should still be under $800 once fees and such are factored in.
If you don't want to deal with the hassle of assembly (and the fact that it does require a few proprietary tools), there's always Turner's, they usually have a sale for something in that price range if you check their weekly ads.
All of them are nice, but these are very nice. That P7, that Anaconda, classics. STI? Very nice. And someone knows their way around AR's, that Mega billet lower is awesome.
I went ahead and bought a S&W M&P15 Sport. Now I'm just waiting for the 20th to come around.
Hello all, I just want to say hello to all the fellow gun owners. I have a pretty sizable collection myself (will try to get pictures up sometime this week), and actually just purchased my first NFA item, a transferable SAR48!
On another note, what are your thoughts on compact pistols? I myself have always been a full size or go home type of guy.
On another note, what are your thoughts on compact pistols? I myself have always been a full size or go home type of guy.
MisterNoisy
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I don't carry, so I'm much in the same place - I <3 my big heavy service pistols. That said, if you can shoot it well, I don't care how long the barrel or how big the frame is.
BattleMonkey
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Damn local store is having a sale on SIG 522's. Pretty sexy looking plinker, and I was wanting a 22 for fun..... trying to resist...
Yea they are too big, don't have 10 guns to fill and dont plan on getting that many long arms.... hopefully. I might have to resort to something like simple wall mount racks. Thanks though
Yea they are too big, don't have 10 guns to fill and dont plan on getting that many long arms.... hopefully. I might have to resort to something like simple wall mount racks. Thanks though
Funky Papa
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I want a P7 so. fucking. bad.
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Added this to my WWII collection last week. A Ppsh 41 (aka Pepeshaw). One of the best weapons of the war. Definately the best SMG at the time.
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Hey gun GAF. I'd like to bring up the age-old question of which gun to purchase for home defense. I've read most of the arguments on other sites, but I'd like to hear what you guys think.
I've gone shooting with my Army buddy a handful of times, so I've shot a variety of semi-auto handguns - Glocks, SIGS, HK's, as well as his competition AR. I've never fired a shotgun - not that I fear doing so.
Our home was built in the 40's, so it has smaller rooms and tight hallways.
Even though my wife is mostly against getting a gun (I'm working on that), I would like something she could realistically shoot in a worst-case scenario.
We have a 2-year old daughter, so storing the gun safely is paramount. This isn't something I'd be able to set on my nightstand.
Now, most conversations I've read on this subject usually end in "shotgun for home defense, no question". Here is where I currently stand on it:
Shotgun:
+ best for home defense
+ variety of ammo, even non-lethal, with minimal penetration
- I can't see my wife ever using one of these
- too big to conveniently store
- too big for movement in tight quarters
Handgun:
+ easy to store/hide in a convenient location
+ more fun to shoot at the range
+ more realistic for the wife to handle
- more bullet penetration to worry about
- not as easy to use in a high-stress situation
So a follow up question about shotguns, given the negatives I've listed above: how realistic/stupid would it be to have a shotgun with just a pistol grip and no stock? It would greatly improve the weapons handling and storage options, but at what cost to usability? It seems a little too Rambo for me, but it would make sense given my requirements.
Anyways, any thoughts? I'm literally torn and could go either way right now.
I've gone shooting with my Army buddy a handful of times, so I've shot a variety of semi-auto handguns - Glocks, SIGS, HK's, as well as his competition AR. I've never fired a shotgun - not that I fear doing so.
Our home was built in the 40's, so it has smaller rooms and tight hallways.
Even though my wife is mostly against getting a gun (I'm working on that), I would like something she could realistically shoot in a worst-case scenario.
We have a 2-year old daughter, so storing the gun safely is paramount. This isn't something I'd be able to set on my nightstand.
Now, most conversations I've read on this subject usually end in "shotgun for home defense, no question". Here is where I currently stand on it:
Shotgun:
+ best for home defense
+ variety of ammo, even non-lethal, with minimal penetration
- I can't see my wife ever using one of these
- too big to conveniently store
- too big for movement in tight quarters
Handgun:
+ easy to store/hide in a convenient location
+ more fun to shoot at the range
+ more realistic for the wife to handle
- more bullet penetration to worry about
- not as easy to use in a high-stress situation
So a follow up question about shotguns, given the negatives I've listed above: how realistic/stupid would it be to have a shotgun with just a pistol grip and no stock? It would greatly improve the weapons handling and storage options, but at what cost to usability? It seems a little too Rambo for me, but it would make sense given my requirements.
Anyways, any thoughts? I'm literally torn and could go either way right now.
first i think like anywhere else your going to get mixed answers. But ill just tell you what i have and why.
I disagree that pistols are more fun to shoot at the range, for me trap and skeet is way more fun than shooting pistols.
My girl is tiny and she handled a 20 gauge like a pro. She got 3 birds shooting skeet and had never fired a gun before.
I have a shotgun because in the event of a break-in while we are home, god forbid, I may or may not think to put my glasses on so I want something that doesnt take too much aiming.
Also get a dog, much better home protection than most solutions.