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I thought Gamestop stopped those today? Or are you doing Amazon?
Playstation Vita western launch thread | It only does everything, everywhere.
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I thought Gamestop stopped those today? Or are you doing Amazon?
It might actually be one of the few things that is literally worth its weight in gold.
My Gamestop only had up to 16GB cards. Seems as if Sony isn't shipping as many 32GB cards for launch. They did the same for Japan.
I decided yesterday after beating Mario 3D Land and having nothing else to play on the 3DS, I too am going to go with the FEB. I can just imagine how angry Marty Chinn is right now, but, darn it, I can't help myself.
skyghene22 has a long Gravity Daze impressions video up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPRznJt4nJg&feature=g-all-u&context=G2d70aa9FAAAAAAAAIAA
Sorry if old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPRznJt4nJg&feature=g-all-u&context=G2d70aa9FAAAAAAAAIAA
Sorry if old.
These are my problems with the Vita:
Is the Vita a smart phone of course not. Should it emulate one, no. But it should incorporate what makes the smart phone & tablet so successful.
Smartphones/tablets are a lot of different things to a lot of different people. The app ecosystem enables this. Many different people, can create many different applications for many different audiences. Bottom line, this integrated into a device that enables human communication (the corner stone of us as a species), is why they caught on, and this is why they sell so well (obviously price, brand recognition, and whether they suck or not is also kind important). Its not hardware, its not games, its not even quality. And the lack of this in the Vita is why I ultimately believe it will not be a sales success (notice how I did not say it will not be a good gaming system or piece of hardware or viewed positively). I will ultimate buy one later on because I love gaming so much...
While Jack Trenton has stated this before, the true competition for any gaming device is ONE thing, people's time. I have X amount of free time in my day, what do I want to do that I enjoy/should do in this time? Smartphones can fill a lot of the possible ways people can fill their time.
First, the ultimate solution is to have multiple devices, but not everyone has the money for that (especially now). With the Vita, by design, the gaming experience is obviously of a higher quality than a smartphone/tablet. But what you have to ask is, if I am on my Vita I am not on my phone/tablet (give that both are portable and most commonly used in similar scenarios). Is it worth giving up everything else a smartphone/tablet does in this given period of time? Is the Vita better at ANY of these things? It really becomes a battle of Netflix on the Vita or Netflix on the iPhone/iPad. Music on the Droid or music on the Vita? This is going to be a hard conscious or subconscious decision for most people. 9/10 I see the Vita losing most of these battles.
Then there is this problem. Most people now a days just do not give a f***. They do not care if their gaming experience was created with beautiful concept art or has a 10 hour campaign or pushes the limits of the hardware it is on. They pay real money for farmville items. (Most of )NeoGAF does give a f***. But most people just want to mindlessly kill some time. The smartphone is easier, more integrated, and like I said, does more for more people.
Android was not the operating system the Vita deserved, but it was the one it needed. A silent mistake, a dark horse.
Is the Vita a smart phone of course not. Should it emulate one, no. But it should incorporate what makes the smart phone & tablet so successful.
Smartphones/tablets are a lot of different things to a lot of different people. The app ecosystem enables this. Many different people, can create many different applications for many different audiences. Bottom line, this integrated into a device that enables human communication (the corner stone of us as a species), is why they caught on, and this is why they sell so well (obviously price, brand recognition, and whether they suck or not is also kind important). Its not hardware, its not games, its not even quality. And the lack of this in the Vita is why I ultimately believe it will not be a sales success (notice how I did not say it will not be a good gaming system or piece of hardware or viewed positively). I will ultimate buy one later on because I love gaming so much...
While Jack Trenton has stated this before, the true competition for any gaming device is ONE thing, people's time. I have X amount of free time in my day, what do I want to do that I enjoy/should do in this time? Smartphones can fill a lot of the possible ways people can fill their time.
First, the ultimate solution is to have multiple devices, but not everyone has the money for that (especially now). With the Vita, by design, the gaming experience is obviously of a higher quality than a smartphone/tablet. But what you have to ask is, if I am on my Vita I am not on my phone/tablet (give that both are portable and most commonly used in similar scenarios). Is it worth giving up everything else a smartphone/tablet does in this given period of time? Is the Vita better at ANY of these things? It really becomes a battle of Netflix on the Vita or Netflix on the iPhone/iPad. Music on the Droid or music on the Vita? This is going to be a hard conscious or subconscious decision for most people. 9/10 I see the Vita losing most of these battles.
Then there is this problem. Most people now a days just do not give a f***. They do not care if their gaming experience was created with beautiful concept art or has a 10 hour campaign or pushes the limits of the hardware it is on. They pay real money for farmville items. (Most of )NeoGAF does give a f***. But most people just want to mindlessly kill some time. The smartphone is easier, more integrated, and like I said, does more for more people.
Android was not the operating system the Vita deserved, but it was the one it needed. A silent mistake, a dark horse.
Mine only had 32s and 8s. I ordered a 16, go figure.
blurredvision
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So I'm still reading through posts and am about 400 behind at this point. I'm at the point where a few of you discussed not needing the 3G data plan to use GPS. While typically true, there is such a thing as A-GPS, or assisted GPS, that does require a data plan. This is used on a lot of phones, even the iPhone (not sure which models, but it was there early on when the 3G introduced GPS in the line).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
Call me crazy, but my thought process is that they only included GPS with the 3G model for a reason. Are we sure what type of GPS is included in the Vita? Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I'm only at around post #4780.
bodine1231
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They (Gamestop) screwed up and gave me Virtua Tennis,they had all the games there and almost sold them all to me when they noticed the release dates.
Did they? Thank gawd, I have zero self control. GameStop order here.
Im battling with self control too. I will have 4 games on launch (Little Deviants - thanks to FEB, Lumines, HSG, and Wipeout). I know that those games are time sinks, and I won't NEED any more games than that.
But the more games I look at, the more I want to pick them up. Right now I am battling on Katamari and Virtua Tennis. But I just have to keep telling myself to wait for a B2G1 free deal, or price drops.
Most console launches there may be two or three games I would want. Vita has like 10. It is ridiculous. Its like they picked all the flagship titles that would come out within the first year of a console being released, and consolidated them into the launch.
You mean like PS Suite which is releasing within the next few months? Cool.
Vyse The Legend
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Got my 32GB card from Amazon US today. I'm glad I avoided the inevitable card shortage.
EXCITE.
EXCITE.
Does suite cover things besides games? Blackberry has a place to develop stuff that means it will be a success right? No. Android worked, not just because of the money Google put into it, but because it is based off of something people know. Will Sony be able to convince people of the Vita? I think a lot of people have been asking that question. I think if the Vita had a version Android, it would convince a lot more people than it would piss off.
No one's going to get the Vita because they're looking for apps and I don't think Sony cares. This is a dedicated gaming device. Apps are plus, not a necessity.
This is such a tease getting the games and accessories before the system...
I can only do so much staring at game boxes that I can't do anything with.
On the bright side I now have no concerns about whether my critical accessories (memory card and screen protector) would arrive on time for the system...now I simply just await the Vita itself.
I can only do so much staring at game boxes that I can't do anything with.
On the bright side I now have no concerns about whether my critical accessories (memory card and screen protector) would arrive on time for the system...now I simply just await the Vita itself.
Like the guy I quote next said, PS Suite is coming, which will provide, among other things, indie games for Playstation Certified smarphones, tablets, and the Vita. It will never do as well as iOS, but it will provide those cool little cheap games. In terms of competing for time, it completely depends on the persons wants, needs, and hobbies. If someone spends a lot of their free time playing videogames, the Vita is a very strong option. If a person spends a lot of their time mobile web browsing, the Vita would not be a good option against a phone or tablet.
In regards to your last problem (people not caring about those types of games anymore), I would point out the fact that, ignoring this months poor NPD sales for consoles, video games are still huge. Console games and dedicated handheld games. 3DS is selling better than the DS did in a similar time frame. It is true that there are a lot of people that don't care about that stuff, but this is mostly (I don't say completely) people who were never into those types of games in the first place, and are only perceived as "gamers" now because of the huge amount of casual games on iOS/Android.
I will say Vita faces a battle, and I don't know for sure how well a $250 dollar handheld gaming system will do here, but we can only hope that it succeed, and 3DS will continue to succeed.
Maybe he didn't know about that?
To you, yes. To me, yes. Now try to think of the all the millions of potential people that may buy a Vita (ie have the money, etc). What % of those people only care about games? Fact of the matter is, the Vita competes against every portable device to some degree. Like I said, you are competing for people's time and attention.
Also, I am aware of PS Suite, just not its details. As a result my statements should be taken with this in mind. Then again, what is the effect of cheap games on a $250 device?
How come so many have vita already ? What was the point of pre ordering the early bundle
Those darn Canadians got them early
most americans have to suffer a couple of more days.Also, the early bundle has a very sweet case.
Arkam
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Im curious to see how the PSVita does with its NA Launch. I got my hands on the device recently and thought it was incredibly slick. It made my 3DS feel very dated (in terms of System UI). Everything was so crisp and responsive.
My only problem with the device currently is that there are absolutely no games that have been shown that I am very interested. Which is kind of sad considering how awesome the actual machine is. I am going to cross my fingers and hope for some big announcements at E3.
My only problem with the device currently is that there are absolutely no games that have been shown that I am very interested. Which is kind of sad considering how awesome the actual machine is. I am going to cross my fingers and hope for some big announcements at E3.
Not true. You can see people with the vita, but you can't see what he is doing/playing. It's like its forever idle.
The only way to know if a person is on his Vita ATM its receiving a message from him. After the message, there is a "send via group messages on the Ps Vita".
njean777
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It has facebook/twitter that is pretty much all it needs tbh for many people.
How come so many have vita already ? What was the point of pre ordering the early bundle
It's a combination of Amazon Canada leaking a bunch early, some places in Europe leaking a bunch early, and the rest are just folks who imported the Japanese version.
Has anyone here actually acquired one from a U.S. retailer?
Also, I kinda have a problem with people who are buying the First Edition bundle just to have it early. The point of the FEB is to want all the included items. Otherwise you're just wasting money.
brettchalupa
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If smaller publishers with solid PSP catalogs on the PSN want to capitalize on the Vita launch, they should definitely throw some games on sale for the launch.
Specifically, Atlus, XSeed, and NISA should really consider this.
Specifically, Atlus, XSeed, and NISA should really consider this.
I don't think XSEED even have any digital PSP games over $20 now.
Indeed. In fact, there was a good article on apps the other day that was pretty enlightening:
"Consumers ignore most apps on their smartphones"
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2012-01-30/smartphone-app-usage/52891556/1
I can relate to this. I had a few great apps for my iPod Touch that I eventually just stopped using for no real reason.
I think now a days that is a prerequisite. But is that enough to make the average person go, I am going to put down my iPhone and pick up my Vita? Is that experience better on the Vita?
The point I am making is that I think the Vita would sell better (not necessarily be better to GAF) (thus have more traction, be more attractive to developers, thus have more opportunities for better experiences), if it was was a tablet experience (ie Android apps) that is also be the best damn portable gaming experience around. You are not asking anyone to leave what they, know/love/want, and you are giving them the best gaming device out there.
Basically, Xperia Play - phone - hardware + Vita hardware.
Also, novelty is WHY a lot of people buy things. It is the hook.
DidntKnowJack
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I am so conflicted. On one hand, I've been a traditional physical media kind of guy. On the other, with a system like the Vita it would be nice to always have the games on the system as opposed to worrying what games I'm going to take with me when I'm out and about. The launch is so close and I still haven't decided what I'm going to do.
Though chances are my purchases will be a mixture of retail and digital. I just can't imagine buying a bright shiny new rpg in the digital space when I could instead have the collector's version with all the extra trinkets. No particular game in mind, but that situation seems inevitable.
Though chances are my purchases will be a mixture of retail and digital. I just can't imagine buying a bright shiny new rpg in the digital space when I could instead have the collector's version with all the extra trinkets. No particular game in mind, but that situation seems inevitable.
I can see your point, but I personally would never want android on it. Android phones are a dime a dozen, why would I ever need an android portable gaming device? If so many people already have an iphone/android/windows phone/whatever, i dont need it on a gaming device.
Other than Netflix, there really isnt any "smartphone" app I would want on it. I can log onto facebook, twitter, or whatever on like 6 different devices already, I really don't need to jump on it with a vita.
But I am also one of the few who would love to get a decent hard drive based high capacity mp3 player. There is the ipod classic (not a fan of itunes) and the cowon (has some major issues with bricking), there really isn't many options anymore, and its fucking sad. I am very afraid that mobile gaming will become the lowest common denominator, which is .99 cent farting baby apps. That is not the future that I want. Long live the vita
brettchalupa
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I think you're right! They just dropped some of the prices, so that makes a lot of sense. Glad to see that.
DidntKnowJack
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I have an android phone. Such an over rated OS. The Vita doesn't need it.
I don't think so. I switch preorders all the time and they never seem to really care. I don't think they have a way of keeping track of that stuff to be honest.
Steam has taught me the Value of digital games. Its all about convenience. Buy one physical game, and one digital at launch, Maybe a game with slow load times you can go for the physical. You have 2 slots to fill, you might as well make use of it.
You hit the nail on the head. The stupid shit PS Suit thing is exactly like the Blackberry version of bastardized Android support. Does Android app work? yeah sort of if you can get the developer to recompile, but no one give a fuck.
Sony should offer full Android dalvik support. You know what's the sad thing. Sooner or later hackers will find a way to port Android on it. And people will be running home brew version of Android instead of this PS Suite thing. And then Sony is trying to stop it by suing the hackers.
I agree with buying physical and digital. Physical particularly for single player and digital for multiplayer.
I believe load times for physical games are faster than for digital though.
Steam has done an amazing job at luring in customers with the perfect combination of great features. The convenience and immediacy of a digital purchase grouped with great social features and frequent, compelling sales.
Sony has everything... except the sales bit. They need to learn the value of discounting their games. Gabe has laid out the statistics on this in the past: when a game goes on deep discount, they actually make MORE money by making it up in volume -- not only that, but once the game goes back to regular price, it sees a temporary increase in sales that continues to spike long afterwards. There is a science here that I hope Sony begins to notice.
It would grow the userbase, make Sony & its partners more money and instill customer loyalty in gamers the world over. Come on, Sony!
There's a joke in there somewhere.
jetsetfluken
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Are there supposed to not be any instruction manuals?
Got a few games early, only thing that was in one of them was an Online Pass slip.
Got a few games early, only thing that was in one of them was an Online Pass slip.
The manuals are all digital I believe. On a game's Live Area there is a button to see the manual.
Same problem with DVD/Blurays vs DD for me. I can never buy any DD movie. They are just too damn expensive for just the movie. With a disc I get all the extra features and resale if I want to. Plus I own it. If DD offered a digital collectors edition of a game (exclusive content) at slightly lower price than the physical CE, then I think I could swallow not owning it.
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