Jeremy Lin: Asian American, Harvard Grad... NBA great?

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"Gook" is a racial slur for Asian people.

But in this case, that's his name...can you really blame them for using it? It's not even an attempt at a pun.
 
Al-ibn Kermit said:
"Gook" is a racial slur for Asian people.

But in this case, that's his name...can you really blame them for using it? It's not even an attempt at a pun.
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Because they are a professional journalistic organization and that's not even his first name or last name.

Like, if his name was John Smith, the equivalent headline would be:

Hn double earns victory.

I'm not saying its racist. I'm just saying its stupid.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
Because they are a professional journalistic organization and that's not even his first name or last name.

Like, if his name was John Smith, the equivalent headline would be:

Hn double earns victory.

I'm not saying its racist. I'm just saying its stupid.
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his last name is hyphenated

its like someone has the name john smith-dole and then just calling the person dole in a headline, which is fine. ill admit though, if the writer was aware of the insensitivity of the word 'gook' they should have thrown dong in front of it, yeah.

if youre arguing on a professional journalism level then they should use the whole last name, but that in of itself is nothing to get outraged over.
 
-COOLIO- said:
his last name is hyphenated

its like someone has the name john smith-dole and then just calling the person dole in a headline, which is fine. ill admit though, if the writer was aware of the insensitivity of the word 'gook' they should have thrown dong in front of it, yeah.

if youre arguing on a professional journalism level then they should use the whole last name, but that in of itself is nothing to get outraged over.
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That's not his last name.

Lee is hie last name. Dong-Gook is his first name.

Not outraged, just...I dunno. Not mad, more amused than anything.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
That's not his last name.

Lee is hie last name. Dong-Gook is his first name.

Not outraged, just...I dunno. Not mad, more amused than anything.
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ohhhhhh,

well i guess if i made that mistake someone else could have too

itd be an unfortunate and dumb mistake though, i admit, but not neccceeessarily a racist one
 
ssoass said:
You can't expect western sports journalists to be experts on Korean naming conventions.
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"Gook" was also used to described Vietnamese in a derugatory fashion during the Vietnam war.

I'm not a sports journalist or history guy and I know that. Pretty dumb on ESPN's part. Where do they get these writers/editors? This isn't esoteric stuff.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
Because they are a professional journalistic organization and that's not even his first name or last name.

Like, if his name was John Smith, the equivalent headline would be:

Hn double earns victory.

I'm not saying its racist. I'm just saying its stupid.
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Well there are 3-4 potential names depending on how you look at it. They could have written Lee, Dong, Dong-Gook, and Gook. Logically you'd assume that Lee is the first name.

But you say that Lee is actually his last name, which blows my mind since I would think the last name goes last. It seems like the person who wrote the title isn't well-learned on the order of how Koreans write their names. As for Dong-Gook/Dong/Gook, maybe the editor was just confused on whether it was a middle name plus last name or just a hyphenated last name.

I personally would have just written "Dong's double drilling wins victory". Nothing offensive that way.
 
entrement said:
"Gook" was also used to described Vietnamese in a derugatory fashion during the Vietnam war.

I'm not a sports journalist or history guy and I know that. Pretty dumb on ESPN's part. Where do they get these writers/editors? This isn't esoteric stuff.
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I am well aware of the slur 'gook'.

However, this Korean guy's name ends with "Gook" when written in English, and imo you just can't expect people who know nothing about Korea to just know that that's actually his first name.
 
ssoass said:
I am well aware of the slur 'gook'.

However, this Korean guy's name ends with "Gook" when written in English, and imo you just can't expect people who know nothing about Korea to just know that that's actually his first name.
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But you can expect journalists to know "gook" is a slur and really shouldn't be used in titles that can be taken out of context.
 
Zoe said:
But you can expect journalists to know "gook" is a slur and really shouldn't be used in titles that can be taken out of context.
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Well I disagree, I can easily see why and how this happened.

-editor is appointed to do a write-up on the friendly international soccer match South Korea - Uzbekistan
-editor watches the match, sees that Lee Dong-Gook is the most important man during the match
-editor sees the name Lee Dong-Gook as "Lee Dong" and then "Gook", assumes Gook is his surname

I'm really not going to assume that there was any malicious intent in writing that title, I see that as a bad case of assuming the worst.
 
ssoass said:
Well I disagree, I can easily see why and how this happened.

-editor is appointed to do a write-up on the friendly international soccer match South Korea - Uzbekistan
-editor watches the match, sees that Lee Dong-Gook is the most important man during the match
-editor sees the name Lee Dong-Gook as "Lee Dong" and then "Gook", assumes Gook is his surname

I'm really not going to assume that there was any malicious intent in writing that title, I see that as a bad case of assuming the worst.
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They don't even write the stories--they buy them, titles and all from Reuters--they just write the line that goes with the photo.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
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I wonder if the dude filling in for the fired editor did this.

Fuck, ESPN. Really?
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Shouldn't that have been hyphenated anyways? I feel like whoever edited that was like "hur dur, its his name whats the problem? trollface".
 
Al-ibn Kermit said:
"Gook" is a racial slur for Asian people.

But in this case, that's his name...can you really blame them for using it? It's not even an attempt at a pun.
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That is practically his middle name. It's not his last, it's not his first. It's the second half of his first name. Why choose just that?
 
Man, I'd be scared shitless if I worked for ESPN. My headlines would be like:

"Person plays basketball and scores many points for his team to achieve victory."
 
vas_a_morir said:
Man, I'd be scared shitless if I worked for ESPN. My headlines would be like:

"Person plays basketball and scores many points for his team to achieve victory."
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Or you could just, you know, avoid using words that are slurs in your headlines. I really don't think it's that hard. Look up a list of racial slurs on Wikipedia, and don't use those words. Simple. They're getting in trouble because they're trying to make clever puns, but the word they're using for the pun is a racial slur, and a well-known one at that.

The only logical conclusions you can draw from the use of those headlines are that the editors are either racist, stupid, or they aren't doing their job properly. All three frequently result in getting fired.
 
cdyhybrid said:
Or you could just, you know, avoid using words that are slurs in your headlines. I really don't think it's that hard. Look up a list of racial slurs on Wikipedia, and don't use those words. Simple. They're getting in trouble because they're trying to make clever puns, but the word they're using for the pun is a racial slur, and a well-known one at that.

The only logical conclusions you can draw from the use of those headlines are that the editors are either racist, stupid, or they aren't doing their job properly. All three frequently result in getting fired.
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brianjones said:
uh.. thats his name
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Surprised so many people didn't know the Asian naming thing... That headline is just terrible. Maybe someone should make a PSA thread informing how the Asian naming convention goes.
 
i would expect anyone paid to write about football professionally to at least have heard of park ji-sung, who everyone knows is referred to as 'park' by surname alone.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzMasHvbpKE&feature=related
AP Beijing February 19, the New York Post "Steve - Sale Jeremy Lin (microblogging), a lengthy interview with the recent red-hot New York Knicks point guard, also talked about their own life and faith. The following is the full text Excerpt .

Q: Can you describe today's Jeremy Lin, How does it feel?
A: I now have a lot to improve, every day trying to make their own reaches can not breath, every day is different when the opportunity comes to grasp ... live by dreams, but when all come, they should also have a high sense of responsibility. 　　

Q: Is it lost some privacy? 　　
A: Of course. 　　

Q: What do you feel about?
A: Obviously this is a little difficult for me because I was a low-key person. But this is a good opportunity, a good platform. 　　
Q: Do you want to use this platform to do what?
A: To the glory of God, and I think to reach this point there are many ways. This may only depends on my lifestyle, how to say in an interview, how to say in front of the public media, I do in my spare time, my fund of the use of ... including me how to spend offseason.

Q: No. 17 jersey is now the NBA (microblogging) best-selling jersey, feel incredible?
A: I mean yes, some overheating ... one day everything will revert to the original look (smile). 　　

Q: Why say that?
A: Because at the moment, this trend still continues, the Knicks still be an eye. Like (Tim -), Taber, as the beginning of his jersey is selling well, but as the season, the sales back to the steady state. 　　

Q: how much I love you Knicks fans?
A: I love the positive boost that they have demonstrated over the past two weeks. When they stood side to spare no effort made ​​no which team's fans will be more enthusiastic than they are, then there is no atmosphere of which the arena would be better than here.

Q: Do you think that some home-court advantage?
A: Of course, there is no doubt that, you also see, we did a good job at home.

Q: When people mention you said: "He makes his teammates better", whether this is the best compliment you?
A: I think it is just my second good compliment, the best is, "When I see Jeremy Lin play, I knew he was playing for God, he will joy brought to the court."

Q: Do you that the details disclosed in your life which make people surprised?
A: I like playing video games ... my appetite is better than the National People's Congress.

Q: I heard that you eat your team the most?
A: Maybe, I do not know the appetite of others, but I have one in my team eat.

Q: In the past two weeks, a lot of people will woo you? 　　
A: (laughs) I do not know. Are you saying that even Twitter, hello, these are enumerated? I do not know. (Smile) 　　

Q: Do you have a girlfriend? 　　
A: Sure.

Q: Describe the ideal companion for your heart.
A: First of all, she must really revere God, is a devout Christian; Secondly, I think she should have the belief of service to others, to help poor people are involved in many charitable activities ... she must have outstanding personality, approachable, and low-key, chaos spend. 　　

Q: The father and mother, you love who? 　　
A: The mother. We were both so stubborn, his mind a tendon, like something to say.

Q: Do you think that is what makes you a unique point guard?
A: I think that the instant decision, creative and ... make the game way to diversify, and also sought the Almighty.

Q: Do you think the pass than score more fun?
A: I really like all the players in the team can hit, never-ending scenes. A cast is not in the other will be connected to, this is my favorite.

Q: Do you hope that the Knicks fans now say about you?
A: I hope they say, this is not my credit (laughs), I hope they will understand that this is the team's credit. The collaboration of his teammates far better than individual efforts. (Demons)
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thx to TheFrankman for showing me this vid. he wanted to show gaf how awesome a christian lin is.
 
I'm no huge fan of Basketball, but I do know about it and recognize star players. But why is this Lin guy so popular right now? Is he new or something?
 
5amshift said:
I'm no huge fan of Basketball, but I do know about it and recognize star players. But why is this Lin guy so popular right now? Is he new or something?
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He's a bench warmer who was about to be fired and was couch surfing because he didn't have a home due to being about to lose his job. Due to a bunch of injuries, he was given a chance to play in the week before he was going to be fired. He lead the Knicks to 7 game win streak, saving their season, and broke the record for point guard scoring. His coming out of nowhere was a big part of the story. His novel background, an Asian Harvard Economics graduate, made him even more strange. Being given a chance to play allowed him to turn his situation around from being paid the league minimum and about to be released to getting an average league salary and being allowed to play every game from now on.

Basically, he's a feel good story during tough times and people really like those. A guy coming out of nowhere with an unconventional background, being given one final chance, and proving himself to be good is basically your typical sports feel good movie.
 
Zzoram said:
He's a bench warmer who was about to be fired. Due to a bunch of injuries, he was given a chance to play in the week before he was going to be fired. He lead the Knicks to 7 game win streak, saving their season, and broke the record for point guard scoring. His coming out of nowhere was a big part of the story. His novel background, an Asian Harvard Economics graduate, made him even more strange. Being given a chance to play allowed him to turn his situation around from being paid the league minimum and about to be released to getting an average league salary and being allowed to play every game from now on.
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The contract doesn't change. You can't raise somebody's salary mid-season. He is still nowhere near the average salary of $5 million.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm
 
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