2012 NBA Feb |OT2| Kobe Bryant is a MAN

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The Crimson Blur said:
a) you're never going to get a bunch of dudes in their 20s and 30s hanging out playing video games (usually under the influence) to act the same as people in the PC game communities. Its just never going to happen.

b) the main reason FOR the community's growth is the drama and characters it brings. Most stream monsters have no idea what is going on in the actual game.

c) mic up any NBA game. Listen to the voice chat of any PC game. Competitive dudes say disrespectful things. The only reason the FGC gets so much flak is because they are so open about showing their people. Floe is a god damn celebrity. People know his personality. You'd get the exact same result in other communities if that openness didn't exist.
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I've had this convo with you before. And i read that huge FGC thread on gaming side about why they refuse to fit into normal "e-sports culture".

A lot of it is absolute bull shit.

A lot of it is a refusal to accept change as it will relinquish power, or see it transferred.

A lot of it is a bunch of immature people who don't want to grow up.

Fact is, sponsors don't want to see their players or tournaments get aligned with people who yell out blatantly offensive things. That's how they get bad press, and slammed in main stream media.

PC Gaming is now, getting toned down a lot more when its in public at a tournament. Because sponsors were withdrawing support due to crowd/fans being offensive. Read the GOMTV.net (one of the largest Korean SC2 leagues). They censor the hell out of the posts because they know sponsors want none of it.

The FGC can whine and whinge all it likes, buts its basically just one big 14year old child who refuses to see sense.

But thats on them, if the pro's and the community want to stall its development, good for them. I don't find it as interesting to watch as many other game.
 
I've been in fights and gotten hit harder than that without any of those dramatics. Hell I've inadvertantly taken a M9 muzzle to the face without more than a fucking bruise. Rip is a pussy.
 
Giri and Spaniard are both pretty much spot on... Nothing will ever be perfect, but that shit is just fucked up.

Meanwhile, Stuckey is preparing himself to feast on Kemba and DJ tonight for all my moneys.
 
What sense is there to see? The viewership, players, and tournament organizers all benefit from distancing themselves from esports "culture" (or more appropriately, esports' "lack of culture").

People don't want big corporations to run over grassroots events. People don't want the intimacy between top players and viewers to go away. People don't want their content filtered and censored. People don't want to pay per hour for a stream. And so on.

Its not ILLOGICAL to not embrace esports, and to say that doing otherwise "stalls" development is shortsighted. It keeps power in the hands of people who actually know and care about the community; the people whose hard work made everything as big as it is. I'm perfectly OK with keeping it that way, and blazing a separate path to growth...
 
The Crimson Blur said:
What sense is there to see? The viewership, players, and tournament organizers all benefit from distancing themselves from esports "culture" (or more appropriately, esports' "lack of culture").

People don't want big corporations to run over grassroots events. People don't want the intimacy between top players and viewers to go away. People don't want their content filtered and censored. People don't want to pay per hour for a stream. And so on.

Its not ILLOGICAL to not embrace esports, and to say that doing otherwise "stalls" development is shortsighted. It keeps power in the hands of people who actually know and care about the community; the people whose hard work made everything as big as it is. I'm perfectly OK with keeping it that way, and blazing a separate path to growth...
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Theres a difference between censoring yourself and realizing you're in a public stage and acting appropriately so that the general public doesn't get the wrong impression of the scene.
 
So apparently Lamar Odom locked himself in a hotel room today and wouldn't let anyone in. Cuban had to come talk to him. Its being reported on Dallas sports radio anyway. If true, wtf. Dude is a complete nut case. Good luck trading him, and I hope we don't just buy him out because then he'll just go back to LA and probably be good again.
 
maybe they dont give a shit

maybe they just say the thing they think will most easily and quickly offend their opponent

maybe we're talking about fat nerds playing fighting games and pretending like theyre an actual important thing worth caring about
 
Duki said:
maybe they dont give a shit

maybe they just say the thing they think will most easily and quickly offend their opponent

maybe we're talking about fat nerds playing fighting games and pretending like theyre an actual important thing worth caring about
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You are so meta, you don't even know it.
 
Duki said:
maybe they dont give a shit

maybe they just say the thing they think will most easily and quickly offend their opponent

maybe we're talking about fat nerds playing fighting games and pretending like theyre an actual important thing worth caring about
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People throwing bananas at black players at soccer games is totally cool. After all, it's part of their culture.
 
Bumblebeetuna said:
So apparently Lamar Odom locked himself in a hotel room today and wouldn't let anyone in. Cuban had to come talk to him. Its being reported on Dallas sports radio anyway. If true, wtf. Dude is a complete nut case. Good luck trading him, and I hope we don't just buy him out because then he'll just go back to LA and probably be good again.
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I'm coming home...tell the world
 
Bumblebeetuna said:
So apparently Lamar Odom locked himself in a hotel room today and wouldn't let anyone in. Cuban had to come talk to him. Its being reported on Dallas sports radio anyway. If true, wtf. Dude is a complete nut case. Good luck trading him, and I hope we don't just buy him out because then he'll just go back to LA and probably be good again.
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Wow, poor guy is just an emotional/mental trainwreck right now. I think it would have been best for him to just take this year off from playing to fix his mental stability so he could come back and actually be able to focus on getting into shape and playing the game the way he has in the past.
 
Looks like Henderson will play tonight. Yay. :|
reilo said:
Why nobody else walked over and punched the dude out I do not know.
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That kind of shit has been 'okay' for years. Its not endorsed or encouraged, sure, but it definitely isn't discouraged.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
What sense is there to see? The viewership, players, and tournament organizers all benefit from distancing themselves from esports "culture" (or more appropriately, esports' "lack of culture").

People don't want big corporations to run over grassroots events. People don't want the intimacy between top players and viewers to go away. People don't want their content filtered and censored. People don't want to pay per hour for a stream. And so on.

Its not ILLOGICAL to not embrace esports, and to say that doing otherwise "stalls" development is shortsighted. It keeps power in the hands of people who actually know and care about the community; the people whose hard work made everything as big as it is. I'm perfectly OK with keeping it that way, and blazing a separate path to growth...
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I'm sure madcats will love it when a reporter grabs it and runs with "MADCATS SUPPORTS ANTI-GAY RACIST MISOGYNIST GROUPS".

They probably just can't WAIT for it to happen.

And yes, thats part of the problem, the current tournament organisers are so deathly afraid of losing out, if they try to change the community and bring it into alignment with normal e-sports culture.

It keeps power in the hands of people who don't want to let go of power. Thats what they're more afraid of it. Losing power and their jobs. If you think they're actually FOR the community then you're not sane and not thinking it through, and are just following the FGC mantra.

I can also tell you, every "e-sport' went through this phase. Most others got over their teen-years though, the FGC is just stuck in them. Quake2 / Quake 3 / Quake Live / CS / SC / SC2. All those games and more all had to mature to get main stream sponsorship.

As i said, i don't really care about the FGC, i don't find them interesting to watch. But they're their own worse enemy atm, and evreyone there refuses to see it.
 
reilo said:
He was trying to get sponsorship money based on his persona. dat copyright infringement.
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Right makes sense, there is definitely more to the story. But if the Clippers knew what they were doing they would be making money off him, not telling him to go away. Pretty funny to see that some players on the Clippers have his back though. Don't think management will be too happy about that.
 
you guys basically want to take out psyche outs out of baseketball because someone got psyched out

like are we literally pretending this is a professional sport which is socially important and culturally ingrained and has implications for how we are as a civilization

its a bunch of hilariously disgusting nerds playing video games man
 
Duki said:
you guys basically want to take out psyche outs out of baseketball because someone got psyched out

like are we literally pretending this is a professional sport which is socially important and culturally ingrained and has implications for how we are as a civilization

its a bunch of hilariously disgusting nerds playing video games man
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You bet I want to remove racist, homophobic and sexists bs from any aspect of culture.

Sexist, racist, homophobic little kids grow up into sexist, racist, homophobic men if everyone enables them.
 
If only Brandon Roy had good knees.. Then I'd be saying the Timberwolves should try to sign him and give him another chance if his 'comeback' is serious.
 
Duki said:
you guys basically want to take out psyche outs out of baseketball because someone got psyched out

like are we literally pretending this is a professional sport which is socially important and culturally ingrained and has implications for how we are as a civilization

its a bunch of hilariously disgusting nerds playing video games man
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I find it more amusing and baffling that the FGC refuses to acknowledge it as a problem and yet whines about being left behind and distanced by sponsors.

I'm not even going to pretend that it doesn't happen on public servers in other games. But when its on the main stage at a tournament, just about all other "communities" whether forced too or by choice, have really tried to distance themselves from these types of comments and attitudes.


PhoenixDawn said:
If only Brandon Roy had good knees.. Then I'd be saying the Timberwolves should try to sign him and give him another chance if his 'comeback' is serious.
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Then he'd still be on a max contract on the title contending blazers.
 
Felons in the nosebleeds, Reggie's suit, "nobody ever threw anything at me before, except for a few times".

That article's a goldmine.
 
Posted yet?
http://www.libertyballers.com/2012/...t-dwyane-wade-clutch-nba-playoffs-4th-quarter

Lots of clutch stats. I'll quote the since 2006 stuff. Brandon Roy was a clutch stud. Durant is a shittier version of Ray Allen. Wade is toast in the final minute.

"clutch" attempts "that occur during the 4th quarter or overtime, with less than five minutes remaining, and neither team ahead by more than five points"
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4th Quarter or Overtime
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Final Minute
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You can't take slavery out of America without changing what it is. FGC is fucked. Hope Capcom acts classy and bars the fuckwads.
 
Rudy Gay is still crazy young. Dude would be a daily headline if he wasn't in Memphis.
 
giri said:
the current tournament organisers are so deathly afraid of losing out, if they try to change the community and bring it into alignment with normal e-sports culture.

It keeps power in the hands of people who don't want to let go of power. Thats what they're more afraid of it. Losing power and their jobs. If you think they're actually FOR the community then you're not sane and not thinking it through, and are just following the FGC mantra.
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No they legitimately are doing it for the community and you have no idea what you are talking about. Like, no fucking idea.

Have you ever run or helped run one of these events? There is little to no profit. It involves incredible risk (organizers often use personal savings for the down payment), with small reward. Only now, with more recent events, is serious money getting changed hands. But these are the same people who've been doing it for decades. I know guys who've been running tournaments for YEARS and losing money at each one. Or making like 20 bucks. Everything goes to the venue. Now they are finally making money and getting recognized for their hard work, and bullshit companies want to take over cause they have dollar bills in their eyes. The same companies who've dicked over the community hundreds of times.

Fuck that.

giri said:
I can also tell you, every "e-sport' went through this phase. Most others got over their teen-years though, the FGC is just stuck in them. Quake2 / Quake 3 / Quake Live / CS / SC / SC2. All those games and more all had to mature to get main stream sponsorship.
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No, most esports didn't go through this "phase." Most esports never had a legitimate grassroots scene. The FGC is unique in this way.
 
DY_nasty said:
Rudy Gay is still crazy young. Dude would be a daily headline if he wasn't in Memphis.
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Agree.

Also, i've watched a few memphis games (i can't help but watch best gasol) this year, and it's amazing how quietly he puts up his points & stats. You don't really notice it.

Just all of a sudden, you check and "oh god damn, he's got 20 already? when did that happen".

I hope z-bo comes back fit and healthy. That team could be beastly.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
No they legitimately are doing it for the community and you have no idea what you are talking about. Like, no fucking idea.

Have you ever run or helped run one of these events? There is little to no profit. It involves incredible risk (organizers often use personal savings for the down payment), with small reward. Only now, with more recent events, is serious money getting changed hands. But these are the same people who've been doing it for decades.



No, most esports didn't go through this "phase." Most esports never had a legitimate grassroots scene. The FGC is unique in this way.
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Who gives a shit.

Why do you think its so important to protect and enable sexist fucks harassing and bullying women?
 
Well apparently the Lakers rejected the Wolves off of Beasley for a 1st round pick, citing financial reasons as the main reason for doing so. I guess that's cool... not like they're paying Walton $5,680,000 and MWP $6,790,640 or anything.
 
Breen: I couldn't believe it when I saw a nice dressed woman throw a water bottle at the Pacers.

Brown: All the Pistons brought their wives to the game.

Dat editing.
 
I don't even know the time table on Z-Bo anymore... I just hope that they get a good run so that they're able to have a solid mindset for next year. They've got a lot of good talent.
The Crimson Blur said:
No they legitimately are doing it for the community and you have no idea what you are talking about. Like, no fucking idea.

Have you ever run or helped run one of these events? There is little to no profit. It involves incredible risk (organizers often use personal savings for the down payment), with small reward. Only now, with more recent events, is serious money getting changed hands. But these are the same people who've been doing it for decades.
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yeah, there wasn't a lot of money in it at all. a lot of it was personally financed by the same few people, however, times are changing now that arcades and venues are getting shut down left and right. also, they want to make money now - you can't do that with the same mentality of a garage showdown between your boys. they can't look the other way anymore. no more "we're not going to encourage or... discourage it, teehee".
No, most esports didn't go through this "phase." Most esports never had a legitimate grassroots scene. The FGC is unique in this way.
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okay, this part is true BUT lets not pretend that the other communities grew up too, albeit differently. that shit still got weeded out when they made the decision to get serious as a whole.
 
giri said:
Agree.

Also, i've watched a few memphis games (i can't help but watch best gasol) this year, and it's amazing how quietly he puts up his points & stats. You don't really notice it.

Just all of a sudden, you check and "oh god damn, he's got 20 already? when did that happen".

I hope z-bo comes back fit and healthy. That team could be beastly.
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"Oh god damn, he's got 20 already"? Gay plays 40 minutes a game and always averages less than 20 PPG and takes a billion possessions to get there.
 
The Crimson Blur said:
No they legitimately are doing it for the community and you have no idea what you are talking about. Like, no fucking idea.

Have you ever run or helped run one of these events? There is little to no profit. It involves incredible risk (organizers often use personal savings for the down payment), with small reward. Only now, with more recent events, is serious money getting changed hands. But these are the same people who've been doing it for decades. I know guys who've been running tournaments for YEARS and losing money at each one. Or making like 20 bucks. Everything goes to the venue. Now they are finally making money and getting recognized for their hard work, and bullshit companies want to take over cause they have dollar bills in their eyes. The same companies who've dicked over the community hundreds of times.

Fuck that.



No, most esports didn't go through this "phase." Most esports never had a legitimate grassroots scene. The FGC is unique in this way.
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Do you have a point other than "you fucktards dont know shit about shit because I know what shit looks like, its brown, and I like it that way"?
 
The Crimson Blur said:
No they legitimately are doing it for the community and you have no idea what you are talking about. Like, no fucking idea.

Have you ever run or helped run one of these events? There is little to no profit. It involves incredible risk (organizers often use personal savings for the down payment), with small reward. Only now, with more recent events, is serious money getting changed hands. But these are the same people who've been doing it for decades. I know guys who've been running tournaments for YEARS and losing money at each one. Or making like 20 bucks. Everything goes to the venue. Now they are finally making money and getting recognized for their hard work, and bullshit companies want to take over cause they have dollar bills in their eyes. The same companies who've dicked over the community hundreds of times.

Fuck that.



No, most esports didn't go through this "phase." Most esports never had a legitimate grassroots scene. The FGC is unique in this way.
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Yes, i've helped run major lans, and i've also staked money to get international DJ's to come to town for smaller music communities. I've done quite a broad range of these things. But when these things get to a critical mass, you have to step back and let professionals handle it. It's a really hard decision to make, because you're so attached to it. But in the end, if you want the thing you love to go the next step, you have to.

Finally making money because sponsors have dared to come back. And now you're doing your best to scare them away again. Congratulations.

And yes, every single one of these games had a "grass roots scene". Of course they did. to say other wise is flat out ignorant.

The fact is, supporting outright offensive behavior is a stance no community can win on, long term. You can rail against it all you want, fight the man! but in the end, you're only hurting yourselves.
 
giri said:
Yes, i've helped run major lans, and i've also staked money to get international DJ's to come to town for smaller music communities. I've done quite a broad range of these things. But when these things get to a critical mass, you have to step back and let professionals handle it. It's a really hard decision to make, because you're so attached to it. But in the end, if you want the thing you love to go the next step, you have to.

Finally making money because sponsors have dared to come back. And now you're doing your best to scare them away again. Congratulations.

And yes, every single one of these games had a "grass roots scene". Of course they did. to say other wise is flat out ignorant.

The fact is, supporting outright offensive behavior is a stance no community can win on, long term. You can rail against it all you want, fight the man! but in the end, you're only hurting yourselves.
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I think best case scenario would be that the professionals would hire the current established people. I really enjoy some of the current announcers so I don't see why they wouldn't be.

Then again... who knows... Maybe they will just destroy the scene.
 
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